Bigking321
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Didn't his former lawyer... Cohen or something... just testify under oath in the New York trial that his earlier testimony against Trump under oath for a different case was a lie and now he's telling the truth?
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Blasterbot
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yup. hilariously admitting to Perjury under oath generally means that your testimony under oath in future cases is also highly suspect.
It's just more traitors to see shoved in gitmo in the future.
bintananth
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The criminal charges Cohen was convicted of and spent time in federal prison for were related to lies he said and things he did while working for Donald Trump.
Calling him a liar doesn't automatically discredit his testimony against Donald Trump even if said testimony isn't 100% accurate.
Bigking321
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I mean he either committed perjury in this case or the other one but either way he has under oath committed perjury. In cases trying to take out Trump.
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bintananth
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It also means that some of what he said under oath is a lie proven to be false by evidence shown to be true which can't be dismissed or overturned as false by any king, lord, judge, court, or jury according to the common law which predates the Magna Carta of 1215.
To elaborate:
The US Constitution said:
In a bench trial - which NY fraud case is - the judge is the also the jury. Judge Arthur Engoron is the trier of fact in the NY fraud case and his rulings on the facts of the case are not appealable.
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Vyor
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bintananth
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Yup, and it was multiple lies.
DarthOne
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And pigs will probably fly before anything happens to him because of it. Or ACW2 will kick off, whichever happens first.
bintananth
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He's already been punished for what he lied about while under oath and knows just what it's like to be incarcerated.
A good lawyer isn't going to use someone like him as a witness favorable to their case unless what they lied about helps their case and absolutely screws the other side.
Vyor
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Anything said by someone that is convicted, or admits to, perjury can not be used in the court of law. This is common law precedent and has been the case for over 100 years.
bintananth
behind a desk
Bzzt, wrong, and that is whargarbble.
If what someone asserted was true while under oath is actually shown to be false those statements can be used as evidence.
Lmao
bintananth
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"anything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law"
That this has to be explicitly stated by a cop when they arrest someone demonstrates just how willfully uneducated and stupid J.Random American actually is.
Vyor
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What you say. And when you lie to them? It's used as evidence that your words can not be trusted, that you are lying about your innocence.
DarthOne
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You say that like they won’t find a way to have you declared guilty anyway.
bintananth
behind a desk
When you are hauled into court and told to explain yourself before a judge and jury you can "Plead the 5th", keep your mouth shut, and say nothing.
That protects you. It does not protect anyone who isn't you.
Vyor
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Except your lawyers.
Who if they break this confidentiality are supposed to be immediately disbarred and have their own trials start up.
DarthOne
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Supposed to be.
bintananth
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Attorney-client privilege is not absolute. If you attempt to use "my lawyer said it was ok" as a defense everything you discussed with your lawyer is now admissible evidence which will be used against both you and your lawyer.
EDIT: at that point the judge and jury aren't ruling on guilt or innocence. They know that someone is guilty because "he said it was ok" is an admission of guilt. The judge and jury are deciding who gets hung and the number of knots the hangman's noose has.
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