Vyor
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Lying under oath. Trump hasn't done that. Lying, by itself, is not and has never been a crime.
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Lying under oath. Trump hasn't done that. Lying, by itself, is not and has never been a crime.
Megadeath
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Have you never heard of fraud before? 🤨
Again, lying in a manner that is not the same
Vyor
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Fraud is extremely well defined, do tell me where Trump committed fraud.
bintananth
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Then work to correct the injustice of selective enforcement instead of whining "It's not fair! We should get away with it too!" like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum.
That would be the preferable option.
Until that happens I am going to shout about injustice, because only going after one political side extremely unjust.
You are wrong because you believe Trump committed actual crimes.
He didn't.
Also
Kelly is right, its time Conservatives stop being cucks and start engaging in retaliatory lawfare.
I wanna see judges with D's next to their names perp walked every time they let an antifa fucker go.
State bars and other professional class licensure bastions disbar conservative district attorneys who do this?
Start charging them with every manner of minor offense and make sure each drive to the precinct is 4 hours long.
bintananth
behind a desk
You appear to believe that Trump's has never committed any crimes in his entire life. I hate to beak it to you: he has. He's just never been held accountable for them in the past.
You are mistaken, I am saying the crimes he stands accused of are fabrications and to support this prosecution is seditious.
Morphic Tide
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Important matter of record, he's actually on the rather short list of people personally charged for paying workers less based on their race, and that is from long before the mainstream media broke brains with antipathy for him.
bintananth
behind a desk
The grand juries do not think they are fabrications and the word I bolded does not mean what you think it means.
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Vyor
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Grand juries have indicted countless innocent people.
bintananth
behind a desk
A grand jury's job is not to determine a verdict so complaining that they have indicted innocent people is worthy of a yawn and a shrug.
Trials are where guilt or innocence is determined.
Vyor
My influence grows!
Ok, grand juries have indicted people because they were lied to by prosecutors, because they were racists, because they didn't like them politically, because they were told a crime happened when it was the FBI doing it. Because the prosecution asked for it.
Grand Juries are full of retards who would indict an inanimate object because a fuckwit with a law degree told them it was guilty of a crime.
Yes, it means exactly what I think it means.
The DOJ is renegade and entirely illegitimate - supporting it in defense of the last legitimate President the US had is seditious.
In other words, the determination of a bunch of communists with a hard on for Orangeman does not a legitimate proceeding make.
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Airedale260
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Actually, as far as the Biden allegations go, I don’t think most Democrats actually expected them to come to light, and I think the rest genuinely bought the party line, only to have it shoved in their faces that Biden did, in fact, take money from foreign governments while in office.
Nor did they expect that the judge overseeing Hunter’s plea deal would actually cotton on to what the DOJ was trying to pull.
The only way Biden pardons Trump is if it’s a quid pro quo for Trump to pardon Biden (and Hunter) in return. And that would only happen if Trump actually wins in 2024.
As far as Trump goes, the only case that’s truly on solid legal ground is the classified documents one. Which he could have avoided by just handing over the docs like he was ordered.
In terms of legal culpability for January 6th and the “fraud” scheme…no, I don’t think it would ultimately stand. A DC jury might well convict him, but I think any conviction would get tossed on appeal because for someone to defraud the government, it has to involve something of tangible value under the commonly understood definition (e.g., money, property, etc). Not to mention that Trump could well argue that he genuinely believed what he was saying, and that may well be the truth! And if so, well, there goes the case, because you can’t convict him for fraud if he genuinely believed what he was saying.
Morally and politically, yes; legal, no. And the remedy for that would have been impeachment, but rather than build a serious case that would show the Democrats sincerely care about political norms and would abide by the proper process, they just decide to rush an impeachment with zero chance of winning to pretend they “did something.” Of course, that would mean if Trump was convicted he’d no longer be an effective foil that allows the Democrats to paper over their own significant shortcomings and issues, since a conviction in the Senate would bar Trump from future office.
The Alvin Bragg case is an utter farce; I expect once the full details (which Bragg hasn’t actually produced) come out, it’ll be downgraded from 34 felonies to one misdemeanor, and then the misdemeanor gets tossed because it’s outside the statute of limitations.
The Georgia case…eh. I’m not entirely convinced that would work for the same reason. If Trump genuinely believed what he was saying, well, that blows it apart.
I honestly think there is a good chance the supreme court will step in at some point because none of them want the kind of can of worms that will be opened by fully weaponizing the legal system by politicians.
And allowing that to stand. And for the leftists who are about to scream and I'm looking at you mega death conservatives have a fertility advantage of 40 percent. That power will end up in the hands of your enemies you want to lose this one because it will protect you when your old and grey.
And allowing that to stand. And for the leftists who are about to scream and I'm looking at you mega death conservatives have a fertility advantage of 40 percent. That power will end up in the hands of your enemies you want to lose this one because it will protect you when your old and grey.
Blasterbot
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He is Australian. he isn't affected by that as much. if the U.S. violates its norms and constitution to get the orange man and their left also gets it with both barrels later it still got the orange man.
Left wingers not having as many kids is a global thing that aspect of it will effect him when he gets on in years