The War in Afghanistan

[AndrewJTalon]

uh if there is a we here then I'm clearly not part of it. I've been wanting Controled (not isolated) boarders, limited taxes and the gates of nuclear power to be open.

If we have to fight a war, I want it to be something to win. Not more fucking nation building that only enriches politicians. I want secure borders, nuclear power, to be energy independent, to be expanding into space, low taxes, secure elections, and equal rights under the law. In other words, the basic desires for a nation state to be healthy and prosperous.

These idiots are so used to being parasites they can't even see when they're killing the host.

 

[Zachowon]

If we have to fight a war, I want it to be something to win. Not more fucking nation building that only enriches politicians. I want secure borders, nuclear power, to be energy independent, to be expanding into space, low taxes, secure elections, and equal rights under the law. In other words, the basic desires for a nation state to be healthy and prosperous.

These idiots are so used to being parasites they can't even see when they're killing the host.

I just want a war where we can show the true might, and not be held back by trying to nation build.

 

[Bacle]

If we have to fight a war, I want it to be something to win. Not more fucking nation building that only enriches politicians. I want secure borders, nuclear power, to be energy independent, to be expanding into space, low taxes, secure elections, and equal rights under the law. In other words, the basic desires for a nation state to be healthy and prosperous.

These idiots are so used to being parasites they can't even see when they're killing the host.

I just want a war where we can show the true might, and not be held back by trying to nation build.

And a lot of us would prefer no war to waste money, resources, and lives better used actually fixing shit at home.

There are a lot of things that need attention on the homefront, more than we need a 'victorious' war.

Spend money to maintain the nuclear triad, but we do not need to be trying to get into a war, just to prop up our national pride.

 

[Zachowon]

And a lot of us would prefer no war to waste money, resources, and lives better used actually fixing shit at home.

There are a lot of things that need attention on the homefront, more than we need a 'victorious' war.

Spend money to maintain the nuclear triad, but we do not need to be trying to get into a war, just to prop up our national pride.

I get what you are saying. Just don't cut any budget from the military to do it

 

[AndrewJTalon]

And a lot of us would prefer no war to waste money, resources, and lives better used actually fixing shit at home.

There are a lot of things that need attention on the homefront, more than we need a 'victorious' war.

Spend money to maintain the nuclear triad, but we do not need to be trying to get into a war, just to prop up our national pride.

Same. This "smart diplomacy" the Left gushes about always ends in failure and more wars. Whereas Trump's deals didn't result in more wars. I'm not saying Trump was perfect but... Goddamn, his accomplishments with the Abraham Accords were exceptional.

It feels like the Left's diplomacy is all about money laundering: Enough bad shit happens and they'll get cash somewhere, somehow.

 

[Bacle]

I get what you are saying. Just don't cut any budget from the military to do it

How about first we figure out what spending is actually necessary, and what is just pork to feed certain congressional districts, then we'll figure out the what the right budget is.

Because the American tax payer deserves a military that utilizes their tax dollars smartly, not a military that just funnels them into Lockmart or Raytheon to boost there stock prices, or wastes them on bullshit like the Woke training.

The US military is not sacrosanct and above scrutiny when it comes to how they utilize funds. Examining the budget would also help figure out what unConstitutional programs and such are the American tax payers being force to fund against their knowledge.

Same. This "smart diplomacy" the Left gushes about always ends in failure and more wars. Whereas Trump's deals didn't result in more wars. I'm not saying Trump was perfect but... Goddamn, his accomplishments with the Abraham Accords were exceptional.

It feels like the Left's diplomacy is all about money laundering: Enough bad shit happens and they'll get cash somewhere, somehow.

Yep; A-stan was more about the minerals, the opium, and the funneling of funds to the mil-industrial complex than it was about protecting America, once Osama was killed.

 

[Bacle]

 

[PsihoKekec]

I don't know about shot. Demoted, fired and court-martialed? Absolutely.

And instead he will reach the retirement and the massive payout for being a loyal political tool.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Maryam Monsef called the Taliban ‘brothers.’ Here’s what you need to know - National | Globalnews.ca

I think we should deport her back to Afghanistan so she can be with her "brothers".

 

[Marduk]

Maryam Monsef called the Taliban ‘brothers.’ Here’s what you need to know - National | Globalnews.ca

I think we should deport her back to Afghanistan so she can be with her "brothers".

Wonder if the Taliban are looking for an experienced gender equality minister for their government...

 

[Bacle]

He hits this on the nose; just blaming Biden, Austin, Blinken, or Milley for this allows the DC establishment they represent, and who are just as responsible for the current state of things, off the hook.

 

[Blasterbot]

I get what you are saying. Just don't cut any budget from the military to do it

what if we went the ron paul route? said could you find 1% budget decrease in the military? could come from anywhere. the diversity training perhaps? maybe a cut in those M1a1s. maybe somewhere else.
while the military is only like 16% of the budget so it isn't the thing I would focus on trying to see where we might have some waste spending that could be redirected elsewhere or just not spent is a good idea so long as it doesn't interfere with national security.

 

[Zachowon]

what if we went the ron paul route? said could you find 1% budget decrease in the military? could come from anywhere. the diversity training perhaps? maybe a cut in those M1a1s. maybe somewhere else.
while the military is only like 16% of the budget so it isn't the thing I would focus on trying to see where we might have some waste spending that could be redirected elsewhere or just not spent is a good idea so long as it doesn't interfere with national security.

If you cut from the military they start with cutting spending on troops first

 

[Sobek]

Of course they would. Why trim the fat? Let's just pull the rug from under the absolute base of the institution instead. Gotta keep the inflated money laundering shit from contractor lobbyists going!

 

[Zachowon]

Of course they would. Why trim the fat? Let's just pull the rug from under the absolute base of the institution instead. Gotta keep the inflated money laundering shit from contractor lobbyists going!

Beilive it or not, the money the military uses has been audited and things come out that there isn't much of that. i t mainly leads to who is given poor shit and getting money. Less money laundering

 

[Bacle]

Beilive it or not, the money the military uses has been audited and things come out that there isn't much of that. i t mainly leads to who is given poor shit and getting money. Less money laundering

Maybe in the Army.

I think the situation for say, the AF, might be able to find some places to cut the budget/Lockmart/Boeing/Raytheon's stock prices, without cutting troop pay.

Like, how many redundant units are there spread across the branches that could be reorganized or disbanded, so the troops involved can more useful elsewhere, because they do not actually do much with their assigned mission.

A good example would be, why the heck is their a separate criminal investigative service for every branch? That seems like a place to do some reorganizing to create a single cross-branch office/service to handle the job.

 

[Zachowon]

Maybe in the Army.

I think the situation for say, the AF, might be able to find some places to cut the budget/Lockmart/Boeing/Raytheon's stock prices, without cutting troop pay.

Like, how many redundant units are there spread across the branches that could be reorganized or disbanded, so the troops involved can more useful elsewhere, because they do not actually do much with their assigned mission.

A good example would be, why the heck is their a separate criminal investigative service for every branch? That seems like a place to do some reorganizing to create a single cross-branch office/service to handle the job.

Because every branch has doffrent laws basically and rules.

Redundancy is important in the military

 

[Bacle]

Because every branch has doffrent laws basically and rules.

Redundancy is important in the military

Redundancy in equipment, and redundancy in combat personnel, sure.

Redundancy in military bureaucracy, not so much.

If it is a matter of different rules in different branches, that seems like maybe it's time to look a more..uniform rule set across branches and ways to reduce what amounts to 'bureaucratic waste' in the military.

I want our troops to be paid well, and for our forces to be able to defend CONUS; but that does not mean the current budgetary status quo does not have room to cut out bureaucratic waste spending.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I'm personally in favour in trimming a lot of the fat...and boosting the budget. You can never have too many tanks!

 

[Bacle]

I'm personally in favour in trimming a lot of the fat...and boosting the budget. You can never have too many tanks!

When civie bridges are crumbling, a lot of our electrical grid is unhardened, we have many dams that need to get dredged to deal with siltation issues near intakes, we have issue like need cash to prep the West Coast for if/when San Andreas and/or the Cascadia fault go loud, and many other things like that...yes, you can have too many tanks.

The US military budget needs a thorough going over to trim bureacratic fat, while not impacting combat effectiveness or soldier pay.

Also, the reason ISIS-K was able to get at Kabul so fast is because Biden and Milley let all the damn ISIS-K we had imprisoned at Bagram go free: