Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[Navarro]

Sometimes they used them for bombing runs.

In Fallout 3 they would usually use gatling lasers and missile launchers in the attack role, but you could sometimes see them just straight up drop a bunch of mini-nukes too. I know there's at least one random encounter where the Enclave fucks up a group of Talon Company mercenaries that way.



Also, the Vertibird used by the Enclave in Fallout 3 -was- a gunship variant.

• A transport-oriented version with a glass canopy, six legs, a large cargo bay, and seven blades on each rotor to provide extra lift. This was the variant used before the destruction of control station ENCLAVE.
• A dedicated gunship version with a more heavily armored hull, four-bladed rotors, and four retractable landing struts as well as greater maneuverability. This is the variant in use by the Enclave Remnants and the Enclave operating in the Capital Wasteland.

In AM I had them use a slightly larger version of #2, able to carry a whole 13-man squad (as the bomb bay was taken out and replaced with missile hardpoints) with the sliding doors and door gun of the FO4 ones.

 

[Navarro]

Flag of the US Caribbean Commonwealth.

Banner of the United American Church.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

Banner of the United American Church.

I like the use of the Christogram. Then having Alpha and Omega to the sides. Then having the Saint George's Cross as well on it. A lot of Christian symbols on one flag. Perfect for a Christian religious organization that is also combining basically every American Protestant denomination into one, just apply plenty of universal Christian symbols, while also plastering some good ol' US stars on it and with the colors of red, white and blue.

 

[f1onagher]

It's definitely more interesting than the one we have now.

Think the NCR could fly this one just to piss the US off?

 

[Navarro]

I like the use of the Christogram. Then having Alpha and Omega to the sides. Then having the Saint George's Cross as well on it. A lot of Christian symbols on one flag. Perfect for a Christian religious organization that is also combining basically every American Protestant denomination into one, just apply plenty of universal Christian symbols, while also plastering some good ol' US stars on it and with the colors of red, white and blue.

The stars officially represent the apostles.

I had figured it was a change in strategic thinking brought about by WWIII. There are a number of minor islands under US control, but if controlling the South China Sea and keeping China down ensuring peace and democratic government is a much higher strategic priority they may want a major naval base and logistical hub in US soil nearer than Hawaii. US bases on foreign soil are ok but even if the US is too powerful to be evicted, supply would become an issue if the locals refused to trade.

A. The Philippines are, as you noted, a staging point for control of the South China Sea and any necessary expeditions if East Asia feels like getting uppity.

B. They're an equatorial island chain with lots of ocean right to the east - perfect for a spaceport.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

It's definitely more interesting than the one we have now.

Think the NCR could fly this one just to piss the US off?

Well, the flag we have now is more of a universal one, where it even represents the Catholics, the Orthodox, the Anglicans, the countless Protestants, etc. While this new one is more of a unification of all the surviving Protestant churches in America into one big Protestant denomination, so uniquely American culture denomination in the way that the Anglican Church is uniquely a British culture Church.

Technically the Christian Flag would continue to represent Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Protestants, etc. equally.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

What the heck happened to Nathan? A part of me has been wondering if 'Leo Richardson' actually exist, as we have never heard of this individual before or seen him and I don't think Nathan would make anyone like Richardson a vice...

A part of me is wondering if Nathan has just withdrawn himself from public eye intentionally, and this 'Leo Richardson 'is nothing but a ploy to tick off the NCR in some other way.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

What the heck happened to Nathan? A part of me has been wondering if 'Leo Richardson' actually exist, as we have never heard of this individual before or seen him and I don't think Nathan would make anyone like Richardson a vice...

A part of me is wondering if Nathan has just withdrawn himself from public eye intentionally, and this 'Leo Richardson 'is nothing but a ploy to tick off the NCR in some other way.

Other that time he actually showed up with Nate as the Vice-President during dinner with their wives and the German ambassador? And all the other times he acted in as a diplomat when dealing with the Republic of Rio Grande and convinced them to acknowledge their claims in Texas, then forced them into annexation when he basically said they were going to leave them to die to Mexican Empire because they wouldn't have enough political capital to justify defending them against the Mexicans instead of just the NCR and their official allies (as the Mexican Empire is basically an unofficial ally of the NCR in this war who is primarily focused on the Rio Grande). Then that time he first said he was currently acting President due to Nate being sick to that other German ambassador in order to discuss how to deal with the chain of command when Crown Prince Friedrich and his forces arrive to help the E-USA due to him technically outranking mostly everyone as a field marshal.

While the west wing of the White House were full of conference rooms, it was the east wing where the President and his close family actually lived, and where guests were entertained. And so it was where Rhonda Washington and her husband were entertaining the German Ambassador, along with Vice President Leopold Richardson and his own wife, about ten years younger than him. The ambassador's name was Carl Maria von Hapsburg, and he was of old aristocratic stock – distantly related to the Archduke of Austria and King of Bohemia. When Europe had fallen into societal collapse after the nuclear war, that being the final nail in the coffin of the quixotic project that had been the European Commonwealth, many of them had quite readily rallied to the ancient noble houses, who had been all too happy to regain a position of actual power.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Other that time he actually showed up with Nate as the Vice-President during dinner with their wives and the German ambassador? And all the other times he acted in as a diplomat when dealing with the Republic of Rio Grande and convinced them to acknowledge their claims in Texas, then forced them into annexation when he basically said they were going to leave them to die to Mexican Empire because they wouldn't have enough political capital to justify defending them against the Mexicans instead of just the NCR and their official allies (as the Mexican Empire is basically an unofficial ally of the NCR in this war who is primarily focused on the Rio Grande). Plus all the other times.

Sorry I glossed over him I thought I would have remembered that last name but I didn't.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

Sorry I glossed over him I thought I would have remembered that last name but I didn't.

It's fine. Just shows that Vice-Presidents truly go unrembered.

But yeah. He was a fairly important character before Nate took a step back. I just barely remembered the first time he showed up, but I at least remembered him from the Rio Grande bits before he took over as acting president

 

[Free-Stater 101]

But yeah. He was a important character. I just barely remembered the first time he showed up, but I at least remembered him from the Rio Grande bits before he took over as acting president

I am generally wondering if he follow's Eden's ideology or if his name is superficial...

Do you remember any statement's that explicitly say he's related to Richardson? After all if their where someone directly related I would have thought he would have had been in power instead of Autumn it would be hilariously funny if it turns out 'Leo Richardson' was some random wastelander who patriotically took his last name from that president and is unrelated.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

I am generally wondering if he follow's Eden's ideology or if his name is superficial...

Do you remember any statement's that explicitly say he's related to Richardson? After all if their where someone directly related I would have thought he would have had been in power instead of Autumn it would be hilariously funny if it turns out 'Leo Richardson' was some random wastelander who patriotically took his last name from that president and is unrelated.

The extras index actually has a family tree, and Nate actually married Leopold's aunt. And they are in fact related to FO2's Richardson. But Rhonda actually had no idea about the genocidal plans of the Old Enclave's leaders as the older generation actually decided either to carry this secret to their graves if they knew about, didn't know about or was purged by Autumn. So it is likely that Leopold didn't know either unless his parents were told by his grandparents and they also decided to secretly tell him.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Since the Germans are gonna be helping the E-USA, what could the NCR say in-response?

Make up propaganda about a “New Reich” having popped up and become an army of “anti-mutant” NeoNazi’s that found common ground with the NAZI Enclave?

 

[f1onagher]

Since the Germans are gonna be helping the E-USA, what could the NCR say in-response?

Make up propaganda about a “New Reich” having popped up and become an army of “anti-mutant” NeoNazi’s that found common ground with the NAZI Enclave?

Are you kidding? A self-entitled Imperial power is bringing in foreign mercenaries to subjugate the unruly colonials to the west. Call them Hessians and stick it into the E!USA's eye.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Are you kidding? A self-entitled Imperial power is bringing in foreign mercenaries to subjugate the unruly colonials to the west. Call them Hessians and stick it into the E!USA's eye.

Hessians....don't know who those are but all I remember is some movie with Johnny Depp and a Headless Horseman

 

[Floridaman]

Hessians....don't know who those are but all I remember is some movie with Johnny Depp and a Headless Horseman

German troops the British used some were hired but others were from Hannover and were acting under their Elector Prince Georg who happened to rule some rainy islands.

 

[Navarro]

Unless the USA manages to achieve naval superiority and decides to insert a force behind those defensive lines.

Land at Sonora. Pincer the Cassandra Line. Etc. Etc.

That is a possibility, but Sonora is a mountainous desert region with bad infrastructure (especially problematic for a quick-moving armoured thrust) and no ports suitable for quick offloading of the supplies (coolant, ammo, food) needed to keep fighting if the pincering force gets slowed down (e.g. by NCR reserves from the Kimball Line). Not to mention that the naval chokepoints in the Gulf of California are heavily mined.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

That is a possibility, but Sonora is a mountainous desert region with bad infrastructure (especially problematic for a quick-moving armoured thrust) and no ports suitable for quick offloading of the supplies (coolant, ammo, food) needed to keep fighting if the pincering force gets slowed down (e.g. by NCR reserves from the Kimball Line). Not to mention that the naval chokepoints in the Gulf of California are heavily mined.

Yeah, the remains of Guaymas a the only major port in the area probably anyway. Just because a place is a desert doesn't make Tank Warfare ideal, the reason Rommel did well in North Africa was because the dessert there is flat. But even then, he also had to deal with the supply issues of having ammunition, food and water being trucked a over five hundred plus miles overland and exposed to the front at El Alaimein.

 

[Navarro]

Yeah, the remains of Guaymas a the only major port in the area probably anyway. Just because a place is a desert doesn't make Tank Warfare ideal, the reason Rommel did well in North Africa was because the dessert there is flat. But even then, he also had to deal with the supply issues of having ammunition, food and water being trucked a over five hundred plus miles overland and exposed to the front at El Alaimein.

Guaymas is also too far south and in too rugged terrain for a quick armoured thrust to cut off the Cassandra Line. Professionals study logistics.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Guaymas is also too far south and in too rugged terrain for a quick armoured thrust to cut off the Cassandra Line. Professionals study logistics.

I don't deny that, I am merely saying it's the only port within the Gulf Of California that could possibly be used for the purposes we are talking about here.