Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[SuperHeavy]

They definitely have at least radio communication networks up over their territory and into the BOS. I don't know if Fallout has fiber-optics so that's a maybe. Odds are if they or the BOS had access to Pre-War communication satellites that is gone now, not like the US would leave those up and they lack spacelift capability.

 

[AspblastUSA]

How good are long-ranged communications in the NCR? I’m not sure if guys in Fallout have the tech to make their terminals or those are just ones that are salvaged and maintained for decades to centuries

Robert House is still alive. I can't imagine that he hasn't decided to release new computers to the NCR since 2281, it's such an obvious revenue stream that if he hasn't I'd seriously be concerned he was going senile.

They definitely have at least radio communication networks up over their territory and into the BOS. I don't know if Fallout has fiber-optics so that's a maybe. Odds are if they or the BOS had access to Pre-War communication satellites that is gone now, not like the US would leave those up and they lack spacelift capability.

More likely to issue encryption updates from the Pentagon than to shoot them down, imho. Just suddenly cut the brotherhood off, and get the SatComms for their own use.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Navarro
Say, whatever occurred with Sheng Kawolski, kid was an orphan but ran the city water supply

I am guessing once fully annexed, he was forcibly sent to an orphanage(damned Statists!)on the basis that he’s a child and like the kids of Little Lamplight cannot make major decisions till reaching a legal age

 

[High Lord Rokland]

@Navarro
Say, whatever occurred with Sheng Kawolski, kid was an orphan but ran the city water supply

I am guessing once fully annexed, he was forcibly sent to an orphanage(damned Statists!)on the basis that he’s a child and like the kids of Little Lamplight cannot make major decisions till reaching a legal age

Maybe took over Three-Dog's radio show?

 

[SuperHeavy]

More likely to issue encryption updates from the Pentagon than to shoot them down, imho. Just suddenly cut the brotherhood off, and get the SatComms for their own use.

For the military sats sure but the orbital civilian communication network probably never had the capability.

 

[Argent]

It'd be logistically impossible, for one

Has not stopped many an author.

The skyscrapers are where they are IRL, and presumably were pre-War, on the other side of the river from the city of Washington DC, though still within DC proper - the Retrocession was reversed after the Capital Wasteland had been restored to some sort of order. Washington DC as it is right now would be pretty recognizable to somebody teleported there from RL, with a few striking differences:

O.k. that could make more sense if they around areas like Sliversprings. Because the height restrictions in D.C. have less to do with capabilities of building taller but because of the aesthetic that D.C. maintains as the U.S. capital.

The Brahmin Barons are frankly a lot weaker than they used to be. In the caravan era of the NCR they not only controlled a decent percentage of the food supply but had an almost complete lock on long-range transportation of goods and people.

I do have to wonder how many of the caravan companies are now just trucking companies.

So while they may be weaker I could just see a new class of barons raising up like the Railroad Barons did in real life.

So instead of just one group controlling an area you have a coupem of groups controlling everything from Lumber to Trucking.

The thing is, the NCR feels it can afford not to defend Texas that strongly since Texas isn't their territory. Also, a Texas that's ravaged by war is a Texas that won't be economically competitive with the NCR in their planned post-war.

That may be true but at a minimum a Texas that is a quagmire is good for the NCR. They want Texas to become America's Afganistan. It is better for a 1,000 Texains to die kill 100 Enclave soilders then 100 NCR troopers to die killing 100 Enclave troopers.

It just seems like the NCR wrote Texas off instead of using them as a massive speed bump to drain the Enclave of resources before the NCR Enclave war starts off.


At least the new chapter shows the Bortehrhood is moving in to make it a fight. Which also helps the NCR as it forces any of the major continental powers to fight before the NCR steps into the field.

Not surprised about the spy ring being turned. The Enclave has a long history of covert actions and pmay in n.v g behind the scenes. Something 5hat the NCR has struggled with matching.

For the military sats sure but the orbital civilian communication network probably never had the capability.

I have to wonder how much truly civilian space infrastructure there is. You have to remember that Fallout universe has been fighting or preparing for war no stop since WWII. Then you have space tech seemed to be just taking off before the nukes flew and a more authoritarian goverment I don't see direct t.v. happening. Instead I would bet every "civilian" satellite has secondary military function.

 

[Navarro]

Those plasma guns must have some serious kick if recoil is a concern for a guy wearing power armor.

Not that so much as a lack of experience.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

That may be true but at a minimum a Texas that is a quagmire is good for the NCR. They want Texas to become America's Afganistan. It is better for a 1,000 Texains to die kill 100 Enclave soilders then 100 NCR troopers to die killing 100 Enclave troopers.

Kinda hard to do that, when the pro-independence Texans kind of know that the Enclave have quite an advantage in military equipment and also do not seem to be willing to feed themselves into the meatgrinder. Then add on that probably at least around one half the population was apparently up for reintegration/annexation by the E-USA since the reintegrationists won the election, so not exactly a completely hostile population towards E-USA when around one half of the locals have been hoping for their arrival to bring them into the fold.

Heck it has been more of an Afghanistan for the NCR than the Enclave with all the guerilla fighters that have been opposing them, and since they been occupying it first it is more of an actual liberation effort by the Enclave than a hostile takeover. We don't even know if there are any civilian militias on the NCR's side, so Enclave just might have to deal with conventional warfare in Texas and then deal with any straggler pro-independence Texan military groups afterwards.

 

[SuperHeavy]

The NCR in Texas seems to have at best 60-70% of the military somewhat on their side and very little grassroots support. The only ones dying in large numbers will be the NCR and die-hard Texan army units. particularly the latter given how underequipped they are. Should be interesting to see if the BOS airship can hold its own when US combat aircraft show up.

 

[Argent]

Heck it has been more of an Afghanistan for the NCR than the Enclave with all the guerilla fighters that have been opposing them, and since they been occupying it first it is more of an actual liberation effort by the Enclave than a hostile takeover. We don't even know if there are any civilian militias on the NCR's side, so Enclave just might have to deal with conventional warfare in Texas and then deal with any straggler pro-independence Texan military groups afterwards.

They have enough the military go make a resource sink for the Enclave. The NCR doesn't have to win just make it take a decade and the War between the NCR and Enclave will be over with only the victor left standing.

The NCR in Texas seems to have at best 60-70% of the military somewhat on their side and very little grassroots support. The only ones dying in large numbers will be the NCR and die-hard Texan army units. particularly the latter given how underequipped they are. Should be interesting to see if the BOS airship can hold its own when US combat aircraft show up.

I hope so. One of the biggest disappointments with the Fallout games is that both the Enclave and Bortherhood seem to revert to past version and do not involve like the NCR. I mean you look at Shady Snads to Fallout and see real change with the founding of the NCR and the Bortherhood opening up a bit. Then New Vegas shows the NCR. Hitting a gloden glided age with the Brotherhood back to pre Fallout 1 veiws. The same happens in Fallout 3 and 4.

So with having the Midwest Brotherhood 2hich was exiled for the heretical veiws and showed massive changes in Tatics means we should see them adapting. I know that we got a little snap shot of them in the first story around Boston.

I still hold that the main reason the Enclave downed the Brotherhood airship so easily is that the Brotherhood has never faced a technological equal. Now they have spend decades preparing for this fight. They have had massive losses and know about the NCR and Enclave air power. So while the Enclave may down the airship I expect it to out up a much better fight then the last one.

 

[AspblastUSA]

I still hold that the main reason the Enclave downed the Brotherhood airship so easily is that the Brotherhood has never faced a technological equal. Now they have spend decades preparing for this fight. They have had massive losses and know about the NCR and Enclave air power. So while the Enclave may down the airship I expect it to out up a much better fight then the last one.

Unless that Airship is moving constantly it's going to get KKV'd, mark my words. From the sounds of it the airship is sitting stationary like the Prydwen was and that's the sort of target that makes Bradley-Hercules' CPU giggle with joy.

They have enough the military go make a resource sink for the Enclave. The NCR doesn't have to win just make it take a decade and the War between the NCR and Enclave will be over with only the victor left standing.

Except it's pretty clearly been set up to be a resource sink for the NCR, not the USA. Everything we've seen thus far indicates that the population is at least mildly pro-US in this, and that sentiment will only get worse now that the US military is actually in Texas. The NCR obviously intended something like what you're suggesting but they're not going to pull it off because they need to keep their troops in or Texas will probably stop fighting inside a month. Those Texan units we keep hearing not fighting for the NCR against the US? Mark my words, the second the NCR loses a major battle they'll switch sides.

 

[Navarro]

Also a key problem with the Texan military is that it was decapitated literally at the beginning of operations.

 

[Croike]

Also a key problem with the Texan military is that it was decapitated literally at the beginning of operations.

On that count, who's the highest ranking Texas Army officer left standing after that catastrophe?

 

[Navarro]

On that count, who's the highest ranking Texas Army officer left standing after that catastrophe?

As of right now? Nobody's quite sure.

 

[High Lord Rokland]

As of right now? Nobody's quite sure.

Ouch, that is even worse then two or three factions claiming leadership.

 

[Navarro]

They definitely have at least radio communication networks up over their territory and into the BOS. I don't know if Fallout has fiber-optics so that's a maybe. Odds are if they or the BOS had access to Pre-War communication satellites that is gone now, not like the US would leave those up and they lack spacelift capability.

They're a crafting item in 4, so Fallout tech level definitely includes fiber-optics.

I imagine that even Enclave personnel could have a possible theory about how every now and then, there come about lone individuals who gain incredible fighting, speech and scientific skills and their involvement makes great change, good or bad

The Lone Wanderer and Sole Survivor, just might be known to be such rare individuals on the Enclave’s side

Possibly even known to be One-Man-Armies by themselves

Well ... personally I generally take a more grounded view on everything Fallout and that extends to the protagonists. Look at Nate in Autumn Morning - his main achievements aren't that he Fights Real Good but his organisational and leadership skills. TES protagonists like the Nerevarine and the Last Dragonborn are one-man-armies, but that makes sense for them as they're literal demigods in lore. Fallout protagonists are more like people caught in the right (or wrong) place at the right (or wrong) time and given the opportunity to alter the course of history.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Well ... personally I generally take a more grounded view on everything Fallout and that extends to the protagonists. Look at Nate in Autumn Morning - his main achievements aren't that he Fights Real Good but his organisational and leadership skills. TES protagonists like the Nerevarine and the Last Dragonborn are one-man-armies, but that makes sense for them as they're literal demigods in lore. Fallout protagonists are more like people caught in the right (or wrong) place at the right (or wrong) time and given the opportunity to alter the course of history.

So how good is Nate as a fighter? He didn’t kill off a huge number of bandits on his own?

What about skills in science&engineering? Does he just rely on the guys he organizes and leads for that?

I’m gonna guess that the Courier’s not mega skilled either the

 

[Crow gotta eat]

New York City, New York State, Atlantic Commonwealth, USA

So, was the Eastern Commonwealth renamed? Because New York is supposed to be part of that according to both wikis I have seen. Or did the E-USA start creating new and/or combining old commonwealths in order for political expedience? I may have missed that somewhere if they did.

 

[Navarro]

So, was the Eastern Commonwealth renamed? Because New York is supposed to be part of that according to both wikis I have seen. Or did the E-USA start creating new and/or combining old commonwealths in order for political expedience? I may have missed that somewhere if they did.

Renamed. Only new Commonwealths added since they were created in 1969 are Canada and the Caribbean, and the first one was pre-War.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Renamed. Only new Commonwealths added since they were created in 1969 are Canada and the Caribbean, and the first one was pre-War.

How long does it take for each new state or commonwealth that’s recently been taken back in, to get voting rights?

Also, just thought, public schools with a specific curriculum or subjects are still a thing right?

And they include Social Studies....just to make sure, they aren’t possibly accidentally infiltrated by Marxists or Communists right?

Same for the Universities? Or did Autumn and the Pre-War Presidents realised that non-STEM subjects were a tax problem and were leading to the creation of “Useful Idiots” for Red China?