United States Texas shooting: Fifteen killed in attack on US Elementary School

bintananth said:
Yes, H2 can be liberated from water without a whole lot of effort.

Actually storing it so you can use it as a fuel is a bitch-and-a-half. Liquid hydrogen boils at -423°F and leaks through goddamn fucking everything.
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Yes, which is why storing it as water, and only converting it to H2 as needed, is the best way to make most fuel cells work.

It however also means spending a bunch of energy to liberate the H2, before converting it to more energy itself in the fuel cell, which is not very efficient.

So nothing about that guard messing with fuel cells for a hobby should mean anything in terms of the shooting in Buffalo or here.
 
Bacle said:
Yes, which is why storing it as water, and only converting it to H2 as needed, is the best way to make most fuel cells work.

It however also means spending a bunch of energy to liberate the H2, before converting it to more energy itself in the fuel cell, which is not very efficient.

So nothing about that guard messing with fuel cells for a hobby should mean anything in terms of the shooting in Buffalo or here.
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We're getting off topic ...

NASA used fuel cells for the moon missions because they didn't have solar panels capable of providing enough power.
 
Abhorsen said:
They aren't saying whether it will be paid leave or not, which means it probably is. Guy stops people from saving their kids, does nothing, and gets a vacation out of it. In related news:

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To be probably more fair than they deserve, this is true of most jobs. "Overqualified" is a thing because people who are too smart for a job usually get bored and quit, so employers look for an intelligence and education level that's just enough to avoid that.
 
The aircraft is literally useless for what ever yall think it can be for.
It is EMARSS
 
Zachowon said:
The aircraft is literally useless for what ever yall think it can be for.
It is EMARSS
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A Piper J-2 Cub is useless for practically anything but taking a passenger and a duffle bag on a short trip from point A to point B. That didn't stop the Army from turning some them into tank-busting close air support during WWII.
 
Zachowon said:
The aircraft is literally useless for what ever yall think it can be for.
It is EMARSS
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Dude. Set aside the knee-jerk reaction to defend everything to do with police or the military and look at what happened here. You don't see anything suspicious here? Really? You don't think anything non-standard to whatever normally is on these drones could have been equipped? Is there any kind of a paper trail for who was even flying the thing or why? I'm not saying it can't be a coincidence, I'm just saying you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as such because the way things are going, you really can't trust coincidences anymore. Our government is actively working to undermine the rights of its citizens, and when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms, they've been at it for nearly a century. Not to mention shady stuff like Ruby Ridge and Waco. So maybe just hold on to that knee for a while.
 
bintananth said:
A Piper J-2 Cub is useless for practically anything but taking a passenger and a duffle bag on a short trip from point A to point B. That didn't stop the Army from turning some them into tank-busting close air support during WWII.
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Captain X said:
Dude. Set aside the knee-jerk reaction to defend everything to do with police or the military and look at what happened here. You don't see anything suspicious here? Really? You don't think anything non-standard to whatever normally is on these drones could have been equipped? Is there any kind of a paper trail for who was even flying the thing or why? I'm not saying it can't be a coincidence, I'm just saying you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as such because the way things are going, you really can't trust coincidences anymore. Our government is actively working to undermine the rights of its citizens, and when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms, they've been at it for nearly a century. Not to mention shady stuff like Ruby Ridge and Waco. So maybe just hold on to that knee for a while.
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It literally is not a drone.
It is a ISR platform that is useless in anything Goin on in thay area.
Ot can't even carry passengers, as it is not a passenger plane and is a strictly 15th MI aircraft.

It can't do anything and if it did do something submit a FOIA, and there ya go.

Actually now that I think of it, they could have been supporting the BP agents as they work that missions.
 
The MC-12W is typically deployed in support of border patrol operations along the border. If you look over time, there are regular such flights along that and similar tracks.

They are primarily useful for their IIR and communications gear. So no, there's nothing suspicious here at all.
 
LordSunhawk said:
The MC-12W is typically deployed in support of border patrol operations along the border. If you look over time, there are regular such flights along that and similar tracks.

They are primarily useful for their IIR and communications gear. So no, there's nothing suspicious here at all.
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Except the radio's not working at Uvalde, besides the Border Patrol radios.

The same comms gear they use to support Border Patrol would not be to hard to swap out for low-grade jammers that could futz with police and civie radios.

I expect the Border Patrol radio only worked because it was a Fed agency and had...higher end comms protocols that meant it wasn't as vulnerable to the jamming.
 
Bacle said:
Except the radio's not working at Uvalde, besides the Border Patrol radios.

The same comms gear they use to support Border Patrol would not be to hard to swap out for low-grade jammers that could futz with police and civie radios.

I expect the Border Patrol radio only worked because it was a Fed agency and had...higher end comms protocols that meant it wasn't as vulnerable to the jamming.
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What?
That isn't how that shit works bacle.

I don't remember any radios not working besides that the chief didn't have one.

Also, it os an ISR plane. Not a EW plane. It doesn't jam signals.

This is definitely something you do not want to argue because that is my field of knowing.

You can look up and see what kind of stuff the MC-12W has on it anyway.
 
Zachowon said:
What?
That isn't how that shit works bacle.

I don't remember any radios not working besides that the chief didn't have one.

Also, it os an ISR plane. Not a EW plane. It doesn't jam signals.

This is definitely something you do not want to argue because that is my field of knowing.

You can look up and see what kind of stuff the MC-12W has on it anyway.
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Oh please, lets not pretend ISR assets cannot have EW equipment onboard. They have jammers that can fit in an SUV to protect the Presidential motorcade from IEDs, wouldn't be that hard to fit on in a plane like that if you wanted.

Maybe they didn't jam the radios, and it was just the building doing it

But after all the ways this shooting and the Buffalo one have started to glow after the Discord was found with FBI agents on it, there is little reason to look at any Fed activity around the area at the time of the shooting with anything but suspicion.
 
Bacle said:
Oh please, lets not pretend ISR assets cannot have EW equipment onboard. They have jammers that can fit in an SUV to protect the Presidential motorcade from IEDs, wouldn't be that hard to fit on in a plane like that if you wanted.

Maybe they didn't jam the radios, and it was just the building doing it

But after all the ways this shooting and the Buffalo one have started to glow after the Discord was found with FBI agents on it, there is little reason to look at any Fed activity around the area at the time of the shooting with anything but suspicion.
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Because Bacle, what use is jamming signals when you want to collect them?
EW and ISR are separate entities for a reason, so you don't fuck up your own systems....
 
Zachowon said:
Because Bacle, what use is jamming signals when you want to collect them?
EW and ISR are separate entities for a reason, so you don't fuck up your own systems....
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Well, in normal operation they could use the ISR gear to find coyotes, and then a jammer on the coyote cell phones to make it easier for Border Patrol to get someone without them getting help or getting a ride from an accomplice.

All you would really need to do is shut one system off once you have the target found, and turn on the other one to screw with the coyotes.
 
Bacle said:
Well, in normal operation they could use the ISR gear to find coyotes, and then a jammer on the coyote cell phones to make it easier for Border Patrol to get someone without them getting help or getting a ride from an accomplice.

All you would really need to do is shut one system off once you have the target found, and turn on the other one to screw with the coyotes.
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It isn't that easy bacle.
 
the radios were working

but they weren't used because the last order Uvalde PD got was from a CIA guy talking through that Army plane.

"Let the kids die."

"How many?"

"Give or take a dozen."

"Then what?"

"Destroy the asset."
 
BlackDragon98 said:
the radios were working

but they weren't used because the last order Uvalde PD got was from a CIA guy talking through that Army plane.

"Let the kids die."

"How many?"

"Give or take a dozen."

"Then what?"

"Destroy the asset."
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Uh..
I am going to need sources because we have body cams footage and the Texas DPS has combed through it.

You can't hide radio transmissions like that.

Also, CIA operates thier own aircraft, they would not use an Army plane, and the plane iirc was grounded unless I misread what it said
 
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