Taiwan Straights Tension

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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Mostly because our halfwit politicians have outsourced our defence to you lot.

Give me fifty years and an obedient Parliament, and things would be very different militarily speaking.
Give me 50 years as president and there would be no welfare in the US.
Just military.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
Founder
Sorry, your Navy lost any room to talk when yall downsized.
Same with your AF
The same downsized navy that is still active in almost every world theatre? :p I mean yeah, I disagree with the downsizing (our government are a bunch of cunts), but efficiency is a thing.

You don't need to send five boats to do the job of two boats, but like a lot of things, Americans didn't get that memo, haha.
Give me 50 years as president and there would be no welfare in the US.
Just military.
That'd be trading one stupid thing for another. While I agree that the sheer amount of welfare in the US is a joke and detrimental to people and families in the long run, going full on military is just as stupid on the other end of the spectrum.

Efficiency and moderation are things, you know.
 

Megadeath

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While the Republicans aren't saints, the Democrats do seem to be the ones who fuck up and then try to whitewash their own image in the eyes of the public.
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And Republicans certainly never try to play the PR game with their overseas adventures.
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Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
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And Republicans certainly never try to play the PR game with their overseas adventures.
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Er, yes...? I did say the Republicans weren't saints, but they weren't the party that, for example, tried to portray themselves as anti-slavery when the proverbial wind shifted, when they were full on pro-slavery pretty much two minutes into the past.

The fact that many people now believe that it was the Republicans (or rather their predecessors?) that were the "evil slavers" and that the Democrats were anti-slavery shows how effective they were at whitewashing their image... something they continue to try to do as part of their identity to this very day.

I fully expect them to try the same thing once all this AntiFa, BLM, and Alphabet Soup shit stops being useful to them/socially acceptable/tolerated.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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The same downsized navy that is still active in almost every world theatre? :p I mean yeah, I disagree with the downsizing (our government are a bunch of cunts), but efficiency is a thing.

You don't need to send five boats to do the job of two boats, but like a lot of things, Americans didn't get that memo, haha.

That'd be trading one stupid thing for another. While I agree that the sheer amount of welfare in the US is a joke and detrimental to people and families in the long run, going full on military is just as stupid on the other end of the spectrum.

Efficiency and moderation are things, you know.
We have a saying in the US military.
There is no such thing as overkill, so make sure there is always more then what is needed.
Based and “fuck the plebs” pilled.

I’m proud of you.
The US took one thing from its father.
How to be a military powerhouse
And we took it to a new level
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
Founder
We have a saying in the US military.
There is no such thing as overkill, so make sure there is always more then what is needed.

The US took one thing from its father.
How to be a military powerhouse
And we took it to a new level
Overkill can be wasteful... unless it's a "nuke it from orbit" situation (such as Australian wildlife escaping containment into the world because fuck Australian spiders, snakes, jellyfish, and kamikaze drop bears).
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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Overkill can be wasteful... unless it's a "nuke it from orbit" situation (such as Australian wildlife escaping containment into the world because fuck Australian spiders, snakes, jellyfish, and kamikaze drop bears).
Overkill isn't a waste if you are the most powerful country in the world.
Better to make sure then regret it
 

Megadeath

Well-known member
Er, yes...? I did say the Republicans weren't saints, but they weren't the party that, for example, tried to portray themselves as anti-slavery when the proverbial wind shifted, when they were full on pro-slavery pretty much two minutes into the past.

The fact that many people now believe that it was the Republicans (or rather their predecessors?) that were the "evil slavers" and that the Democrats were anti-slavery shows how effective they were at whitewashing their image... something they continue to try to do as part of their identity to this very day.

I fully expect them to try the same thing once all this AntiFa, BLM, and Alphabet Soup shit stops being useful to them/socially acceptable/tolerated.
I mean... ALL politicians try to present the best possible face, or interpretation, basically unanimously to the point of lying. That's pretty much what politics is entirely about. Which isn't good of course, but is kinda inevitable when you entrust supreme executive authority to a popularity contest. It just seems weird to try and complain that it's an especially democrat thing, or maybe just sour that they're better about PR and image management.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
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I mean... ALL politicians try to present the best possible face, or interpretation, basically unanimously to the point of lying. That's pretty much what politics is entirely about. Which isn't good of course, but is kinda inevitable when you entrust supreme executive authority to a popularity contest. It just seems weird to try and complain that it's an especially democrat thing, or maybe just sour that they're better about PR and image management.
Well yeah, but the difference is that the Republicans, to my limited knowledge, haven't tried to basically and hypocritically (or would it be grifting?) whitewash the more darker elements of their past to the public like the Democrats have done -- the slavery thing being a key example, and which they've largely succeeded at.

Again, I fully expect them to do the same thing in time with their support of BLM, AntiFa, and the Alphabet Soupers. shrug
 

Sailor.X

Cold War Veteran
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Overkill can be wasteful... unless it's a "nuke it from orbit" situation (such as Australian wildlife escaping containment into the world because fuck Australian spiders, snakes, jellyfish, and kamikaze drop bears).
And then Austrailian wildlife came to South Carolina and our Bigfoot, Rakes, Dogman, Snallaghasters, Bo Hags, Plate Eyes and Whompas Cats all said.

Great We Got some Australian Food to eat today.!!!
 

ATP

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I have a saying: The reason the Cold War went on for as long as it did, is that the USA was fighting on both sides.
Sadly true.Anthony Sutton discovered,that USA supported soviets from 1917 till at least 1970,when he lost his jog in archives.
His opinion about Skull&bones ruling USA are most likely fiction,but american support of soviets were real.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
I mean... ALL politicians try to present the best possible face, or interpretation, basically unanimously to the point of lying. That's pretty much what politics is entirely about. Which isn't good of course, but is kinda inevitable when you entrust supreme executive authority to a popularity contest. It just seems weird to try and complain that it's an especially democrat thing, or maybe just sour that they're better about PR and image management.

This is completely missing the point.

Basically every utter moral failing and disastrous policy that the Democratic party and the political left in general was overwhelmingly or exclusively responsible for in America, they tar and feather their opponents for, while acting like they had nothing to do with it.

Slavery, segregation, ruinous economic policies, the disastrous consequences of the welfare state, the ghettos that have been created between welfare and soft on crime policies, their wrecking the education system, support and sympathy for the communists all throughout the Cold War, Clinton's refusal to accept Osama Bin Laden's head on a platter leading to 9/11, the strife and chaos that Obama's insane foreign policy unleashed in the middle east, the video game violence scare...

Coming soon, the horrific permanent debilitation from the trans fad they've been pushing.

As others have said, the Republican Party and political right have skeletons in their closets.

The Democrats, on the other hand, are directly responsible for basically every great shame in the history of America as a nation.
 

strunkenwhite

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Not to mock the USA for it but…America is profoundly bad at the game of empire, isn’t it? Indirectly it can play it half decently, but directly? Good grief.
That depends on how you measure empire, I suppose. The 19th century expansion across the continent was a wild success by every measure imaginable except humanitarian. Does it no longer count as empire if you successfully incorporate the new lands into your core? If the inhabitants there come to consider you their homeland, instead of some more ancestral thing you happen to be occupying by force?

And what we couldn't or weren't willing to assimilate, we threw back into the waters. The big fish, at least; I'm referring to the Philippines. Isn't that a demonstration of superior empire management rather than holding on to what cannot be held until reality forces your hand and you are humiliated in your weakness on the world stage as you slink away? Better to magnanimously offer the gift of freedom, by the way we get to keep using your naval bases for as long as we want.

Why do we need those naval bases, you ask? To help protect our global trade empire, of course! It's not exclusively ours, mind you, but the USA's always been about increasing our access to foreign markets. We didn't kick down Japan's door because we wanted to take over the place.

Every expanding empire runs up against its limits, and then it either stabilizes or dies. I reckon if America can manage the not dying part then failure to have no limits in the first place isn't so bad.
 

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