Taiwan Straights Tension

[Marduk]

If you're going to insult someone else's intelligence, please understand the difference in using "to" and "too" first; might also want to learn the placement of it too. Your capacity to self own continues to be impressive.

>typo
"hahaha so self owned"
Do you even have any self-respect?

Now how about you explain how my characterization of the statement was wrong? I said the DPP backed off independence, which is exactly what the tweet says. Why are you so afraid to expand your thoughts, is it reflective of the fact you are incapable of doing so?

>backed off independence
>backed off declaring independence
Again, not the same meaning.
Your own damn fault for using "random" minor changes in terms that change their meaning and make you look like a CCP shill.
Expand your reading comprehension before trying to play these games.

No, I don't think I will because we both know you lied and that's why you refuse to do so. As I've asked three times now, please quote me where I said "which in turn would imply letting China have air superiority". If you feel you have done so, please cite your post where you did.

I've just quoted you, you blind retard.
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and the U.S. Air Force will no longer even attempt to contest air superiority,

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That statement does in fact mean letting China have air superiority.
If you didn't intend it, it's hard evidence that you have used terms you don't understand, if you are even mentally capable of understanding them to begin with.

But it does, hence why you didn't actually quote from it yourself. Likewise, if we fought Marduk, judging by the fact Poland has been everybody's bitch since the 1600s, it wouldn't be much of a fight. Hungary had the balls to do 1956, Poland just bent over and took it for 45 years. No wonder Poland has one of the lowest TFRs in the World, Polish women are right to be disgusted of their men, whose only achievements of note in the past centuries has been to polish the cocks of German horses and to serve beet soup to Russian occupiers.

Seems like horse cocks are a deep interest of yours, care to expand?
If we fought, a retard like you would probably fall due to tripping over own shoelaces.

 

[History Learner]

>typo
"hahaha so self owned"
Do you even have any self-respect?

Clearly you don't, given you were the one who lacked the capability to even coherently form the insult.

>backed off independence
>backed off declaring independence
Again, not the same meaning.

Those literally mean the same thing. By refusing to declare independence, you are not in fact, independent.

Your own damn fault for using "random" minor changes in terms that change their meaning and make you look like a CCP shill.
Expand your reading comprehension before trying to play these games.

Strange I always win them, then.

I've just quoted you, you blind retard.
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Nowhere in that did I even use the word China, so is this you admitting you lied finally?

That statement does in fact mean letting China have air superiority.
If you didn't intend it, it's hard evidence that you have used words you don't understand, if you are even mentally capable of understanding them to begin with.

Good thing we both agree I never claimed that, eh?

Seems like horse cocks are a deep interest of yours, care to expand?

Sounds like you're interested in hearing about that, the term "expansion" probably invokes the deep seated loathing you feel when hearing about the regular expansion of German and Russian Armies into your so called nation. Your support of Ukraine makes perfect sense, really, when you realize that only through living vicariously through the achievements of other, higher cultures can you actually feel any satisfaction given how routinely your national history consists of being a punching bag.

 

[Marduk]

Clearly you don't, given you were the one who lacked the capability to even coherently form the insult.

Boo fucking hoo, poor quality anon got a poor quality insult, go fuck yourself, or some horse cocks you seem so interested in.

Those literally mean the same thing. By refusing to declare independence, you are not in fact, independent.

So you think you're not retarded as long as you don't declare that you're retarded?
How optimistic of you.

Strange I always win them, then.

In your delusional mind, sure.

Nowhere in that did I even use the word China, so is this you admitting you lied finally?

So air superiority over whose forces are we talking about here, who was the balance you mentioned shifting regarding? The Imperium of Mankind?
The Galactic Empire? Maybe the Zerg Swarm?
Crappy attempt at deflection by technicality, 1/10.

Good thing we both agree I never claimed that, eh?

Good thing you have an impressive ability to avoid seeing your own bullshit, you might have killed yourself if you realized.

Sounds like you're interested in hearing about that, the term "expansion" probably invokes the deep seated loathing you feel when hearing about the regular expansion of German and Russian Armies into so called nation. Your support of Ukraine makes perfect sense, really, when you realize that only through living vicariously through the achievements of other, higher cultures can you actually feel any satisfaction given how routinely your national history consists of being a punching bag.

Funny how you always return to alt-history fiction, personal drama and insults when you get caught in 4k with your bullshit. Get back to reality you loon, you were shilling for China and saying how USA won't contest China's air superiority.

 

[History Learner]

Boo fucking hoo, poor quality anon got a poor quality insult, go fuck yourself, or some horse cocks you seem so interested in.

You're the one who keeps bringing it up Marduk, I take it I triggered some flashbacks? Your seething is honestly so satisfying.

So you think you're not retarded as long as you don't declare that you're retarded?
How optimistic of you.

Once again, you're forced to result to insults because you can't actually refute the argument. In truth, it was my mistake for thinking you had the intellectual capacity to understand legal niceties. Honestly, assuming you could even spell the word "legal" was probably a stretch assumption. Speaking of stretching, ever looked up how much Male DNA from German and Russian soldiers is in the Polish genome? Can't fault them for trying to make the gene pool a bit better, I suppose.

In your delusional mind, sure.

No, I was referring to reality. Is that another concept or word I need to explain to you? I've had to do so many in our interactions.

So air superiority over whose forces are we talking about here, who was the balance you mentioned shifting regarding? The Imperium of Mankind?
The Galactic Empire? Maybe the Zerg Swarm?
Crappy attempt at deflection by technicality, 1/10.

Which is to shift entirely the meaning of what you said and by acknowledging it now, you concede to exactly my argument. Another common win by myself over you. At this point, I'm honestly convinced I could overrun Poland with a few friends and some duct tape if you are illustrative of the wider population.

I understand that you're ass blasted about the fact the only thing Poland is known for is being plumbers and illiterate serfs, but at least give me a challenge at some point.

Good thing you have an impressive ability to avoid seeing your own bullshit, you might have killed yourself if you realized.

I cannot see that which does not exist.

Funny how you always return to alt-history fiction, personal drama and insults when you get caught in 4k with your bullshit. Get back to reality you loon, you were shilling for China and saying how USA won't contest China's air superiority.

You literally started this interaction with insults and personal drama. As for reality, since you bitched out of answering it four times now, let's see if you can actually understand it:

The United States and other Western air forces need to prepare for this future now. A strategy of air denial might be the smarter and more economical choice when trying to preserve the status quo on NATO's eastern flank or across the Taiwan Strait. By employing sufficiently large numbers of smaller, cheaper, unmanned systems in a distributed way, the United States and its allies and partners would increase both the costs and uncertainty of Chinese or Russian efforts to quickly seize territory and present their conquest as a fait accompli. Such a strategy requires moving away from the capable but costly and numerically limited high-end fighters and bombers in favor of more unmanned and autonomous systems. It also requires moving away from penetration and precision strike with manned aircraft to swarming tactics of denial with thousands of cheap small-sized drones. 
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Air Denial over Air Superiority; they will no longer attempt Air Superiority, as I said to begin with.

 

[Marduk]

You're the one who keeps bringing it up Marduk, I take it I triggered some flashbacks? Your seething is honestly so satisfying.

I'm bringing it up?
You're the petty fuck who brought up a typo here.

Once again, you're forced to result to insults because you can't actually refute the argument.

Boo fucking hoo, i've started by an argument, but you're the one who splits off our discussion into insults.

In truth, it was my mistake for thinking you had the intellectual capacity to understand legal niceties.

I think the implication of anything involving niceties in that relationship is quite bold.

Honestly, assuming you could even spell the word "legal" was probably a stretch assumption. Speaking of stretching, ever looked up how much Male DNA from German and Russian soldiers is in the Polish genome? Can't fault them for trying to make the gene pool a better, I suppose.

Have you considered testing your genes for chimpanzee DNA? Might explain your stupid, shit slinging tendencies.

No, I was referring to reality. Is that another concept or word I need to explain to you? I've had to do so many in our interactions.

What air defenses and air force does this "reality" country have that the balance is shifting between it and USA, which won't contest its air superiority against? You were clearly making a comparison between USA and some country...

Another deflection attempt, this time philosophical, 0/10.

Which is to shift entirely the meaning of what you said and by acknowledging it now, you concede to exactly my argument. Another common win by myself over you. At this point, I'm honestly convinced I could overrun Poland with a few friends and some duct tape if you are illustrative of the wider population.

No one cares about the contents of your dreams, and i concede jack shit to you. Can i have your address to mail you the physical representation of it?

I understand that you're ass blasted about the fact the only thing Poland is known for is being plumbers and illiterate serfs, but at least give me a challenge at some point.

I don't understand what does this have to do with the topic. This is a China-Taiwan thread, Poland is quite far away from that. Consider getting an IQ test.

I cannot see that which does not exist.

You literally started this interaction with insults and personal drama. As for reality, since you bitched out of answering it four times now, let's see if you can actually understand it:

The United States and other Western air forces need to prepare for this future now. A strategy of air denial might be the smarter and more economical choice when trying to preserve the status quo on NATO's eastern flank or across the Taiwan Strait. By employing sufficiently large numbers of smaller, cheaper, unmanned systems in a distributed way, the United States and its allies and partners would increase both the costs and uncertainty of Chinese or Russian efforts to quickly seize territory and present their conquest as a fait accompli. Such a strategy requires moving away from the capable but costly and numerically limited high-end fighters and bombers in favor of more unmanned and autonomous systems. It also requires moving away from penetration and precision strike with manned aircraft to swarming tactics of denial with thousands of cheap small-sized drones. 
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Air Denial over Air Superiority; they will no longer attempt Air Superiority, as I said to begin with.

No, you said they won't contest air superiority. Air denial is one of ways to contest air superiority. These are contradictory statements, and yours was wrong.
Thanks for confirming that you don't understand the terms you are using enough to use them correctly, and that's the least negative interpretation of your behavior here.

 

[Scottty]

@Marduk and @History Learner - how's about you both chill a bit?

There is a huge difference between saying that China would have the ability to contest control of the air over Taiwan, and saying that the USN would not even attempt to operate there. The point is that the Americans would not be having it all their own way, like they do with places like Iraq. No, this would be a real fight, with aircraft on both sides falling out of the sky in flames.

In addition to air battles, there would be missiles flying. Chinese ones aimed at the American carriers, American ones aimed at the Chinese airbases and other land-based assets.

 

[Scottty]

The United States and other Western air forces need to prepare for this future now. A strategy of air denial might be the smarter and more economical choice when trying to preserve the status quo on NATO's eastern flank or across the Taiwan Strait. By employing sufficiently large numbers of smaller, cheaper, unmanned systems in a distributed way, the United States and its allies and partners would increase both the costs and uncertainty of Chinese or Russian efforts to quickly seize territory and present their conquest as a fait accompli. Such a strategy requires moving away from the capable but costly and numerically limited high-end fighters and bombers in favor of more unmanned and autonomous systems. It also requires moving away from penetration and precision strike with manned aircraft to swarming tactics of denial with thousands of cheap small-sized drones. 
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Air Denial over Air Superiority; they will no longer attempt Air Superiority, as I said to begin with.

Because someone says a thing, that is therefore definitely how things will be?

 

[History Learner]

@Marduk and @History Learner - how's about you both chill a bit?

There is a huge difference between saying that China would have the ability to contest control of the air over Taiwan, and saying that the USN would not even attempt to operate there. The point is that the Americans would not be having it all their own way, like they do with places like Iraq. No, this would be a real fight, with aircraft on both sides falling out of the sky in flames.

In addition to air battles, there would be missiles flying. Chinese ones aimed at the American carriers, American ones aimed at the Chinese airbases and other land-based assets.

Totally agreed, hence why I linked the score card and the article about Air Denial.

 

[Marduk]

@Marduk and @History Learner - how's about you both chill a bit?

There is a huge difference between saying that China would have the ability to contest control of the air over Taiwan, and saying that the USN would not even attempt to operate there. The point is that the Americans would not be having it all their own way, like they do with places like Iraq. No, this would be a real fight, with aircraft on both sides falling out of the sky in flames.

In addition to air battles, there would be missiles flying. Chinese ones aimed at the American carriers, American ones aimed at the Chinese airbases and other land-based assets.

Yes, that is the case. Which is why i called out his earlier post saying this:

If we take the position of TWM, the CCP already controls Taiwan defacto because of the "sellouts", which was the point I was trying to make. Yours is, however, the correct take although I disagree with the "by the time China has enough power" bit, because that time was probably reached around 2017; if not then, certainly now. U.S. 7th Fleet commander says they have the naval capacity to blockade Taiwan now and the U.S. Air Force will no longer even attempt to contest air superiority, the balance has shifted that much in the past five years.

Yes, he said it, "USAF will no longer even attempt to contest air superiority", and now he's trying to stealthily backtrack from it and pretend he actually understands the difference between air denial and "not contesting air superiority" and did so all along.

Which is the usual MO of his trollish behavior: say something incredibly stupid and manipulative that fits his political agenda, and once boxed in over what he was doing, pretend he wasn't doing anything at all and was right all along.

 

[History Learner]

I'm bringing it up?
You're the petty fuck who brought up a typo here.

Yes, and it got exactly the reaction I wanted out of you. You dance to my tune better than a puppet.

Boo fucking hoo, i've started by an argument, but you're the one who splits off our discussion into insults.

No, that was also you. Unless of course "retarded" isn't an insult in Poland, but that's just further cause why another round of wiping your nation off the map is called for.

I think the implication of anything involving niceties in that relationship is quite bold.

No, it's actually quite standard. Perhaps if you could learn to read, you'd know that.

Have you considered testing your genes for chimpanzee DNA? Might explain your stupid, shit slinging tendencies.

When I conquer Poland, I'll be sure to spread said Chimp DNA around. It'll be an improvement, truly.

What air defenses and air force does this "reality" country have that the balance is shifting between it and USA, which won't contest its air superiority against? You were clearly making a comparison between USA and some country...

Not sure, given you still have yet to admit I never said it. If we're going on the fact I did, when are you going to quote me doing so?

Another deflection attempt, this time philosophical, 0/10.

No, just another beating of you. At this rate, call me Frederick the Great how I'm stepping on you.

No one cares about the contents of your dreams, and i concede jack shit to you. Can i have your address to mail you the physical representation of it?

You don't have to concede it when I take it with ease from you. Do better.

I don't understand what does this have to do with the topic. This is a China-Taiwan thread, Poland is quite far away from that. Consider getting an IQ test.

You originally said I was spreading Anti Westernism for any nation, so don't be mad I decided to play the game and turned out to be better at it then you are. As usual, no less.

No, you said they won't contest air superiority. Air denial is one of ways to contest air superiority. These are contradictory statements, and yours was wrong.
Thanks for confirming that you don't understand the terms you are using enough to use them correctly, and that's the least negative interpretation of your behavior here.

No, they're different terms as explained by the article and this is even after I went the extra mile of quoting directly from the article to show this. Once again, you self own as usual.

 

[History Learner]

Because someone says a thing, that is therefore definitely how things will be?

 

[History Learner]

Yes, that is the case. Which is why i called out his earlier post saying this:

Yes, he said it, "USAF will no longer even attempt to contest air superiority", and now he's trying to stealthily backtrack from it and pretend he actually understands the difference between air denial and "not contesting air superiority" and did so all along.

Which is the usual MO of his trollish behavior: say something incredibly stupid and manipulative that fits his political agenda, and once boxed in over what he was doing, pretend he wasn't doing anything at all and was right all along.

Honestly, you're a case study in projection to such an extent I'd love to have you studied in a lab but I'm afraid being in an enclosed space sharing oxygen with you would permanently damage my IQ from your sheer ignorance. As I said before, truly, we are lucky Poland is due to get wiped off the map again.

 

[Marduk]

Yes, and it got exactly the reaction I wanted out of you. You dance to my tune better than a puppet.

What, you had a fancy to get called a petty fuck for doing a petty thing?
Con-fucking-gratulations then, you totally manipulated me there.

No, that was also you. Unless of course "retarded" isn't an insult in Poland, but that's just further cause why another round of wiping your nation off the map is called for.

It's not an insult if it's a statement of fact
Stop acting retarded and i'll stop calling you a retard.

No, it's actually quite standard. Perhaps if you could learn to read, you'd know that.

What are you, 7? You're the one who is playing silly games with wording, copying insults doesn't work when they aren't accurate.

When I conquer Poland, I'll be sure to spread said Chimp DNA around. It'll be an improvement, truly.

Start with conquering your own mental disabilities by learning to read properly.

Not sure, given you still have yet to admit I never said it. If we're going on the fact I did, when are you going to quote me doing so?

Go back to the post where i even made nice arrows pointing at the quote, you're repetitive.

No, just another beating of you. At this rate, call me Frederick the Great how I'm stepping on you.

Another one of your sexual fetishes to parade around in the wrong thread? First the horse cocks, now this, you're almost like the LGBTQWTFBBQ movement!

You don't have to concede it when I take it with ease from you. Do better.

You're not taking anything, obviously not even the meds you should.

You originally said I was spreading Anti Westernism for any nation, so don't be mad I decided to play the game and turned out to be better at it then you are. As usual, no less.

Which was after your statement about air superiority in which you clearly weren't referring to "any nation", and if you were, that makes the statement somehow even more ridiculous and patently wrong.

Yet another attempt at deflection, this one time travel based, 0/10.

No, they're different terms as explained by the article and this is even after I went the extra mile of quoting directly from the article to show this. Once again, you self own as usual.

I know you can post random quotes you don't understand, my point is that you either don't understand what the terms involved in them mean or pretend not to for axe grinding purposes.

 

[Megadeath]

TL;DR - @History Learner is a moron, and continues to blur the lines between creative interpretation to suit his own needs, and being so blinkered by his beliefs that his brain can basically rewrite reality on the fly to support his conclusions. Is he lying? Is he lying to himself? Is he just that stupid? We'll never know!
Also @Marduk let it get under his skin, but has some wonderfully colourful insults when mad.

 

[LordsFire]

TL;DR - @History Learner is a moron, and continues to blur the lines between creative interpretation to suit his own needs, and being so blinkered by his beliefs that his brain can basically rewrite reality on the fly to support his conclusions. Is he lying? Is he lying to himself? Is he just that stupid? We'll never know!
Also @Marduk let it get under his skin, but has some wonderfully colourful insults when mad.

Pathological self-delusion is honestly kind of creepy to watch in action.

Most people with what I consider 'crazy' political beliefs have at least some form of internal self-consistency, even if a really shallow one. There will always be at least a few gaps, but most of their belief system has some internal coherence.

'History Learner' has gone out into the territory of 'I must be right in all ways at all times,' and combines it with a fundamental ignorance of how anything in the world actually functions, the two synergizing so that he can't admit he was wrong about anything in the past and actually learn.

Thus, he's constantly held captive to his prior incorrect assertions, with the need to prove them correct retroactively, which prevents him from ever learning from his mistakes, and instead perpetually doubling down and finding new justifications for all past foolishness.

It long since moved from 'obnoxious' to 'comical,' but at this point it's just becoming sad. The high probability that his probably narcissistic mentality is going to get someone seriously hurt at some point, and pretty much guarantees self-destructive behavior on his part, makes it tragic.

How do you reason with someone who takes as a first assumption 'I am always right'?

 

[Scottty]

I'm a bit unclear what people are disagreeing about here...

Back to the topic, I'm thinking of a quote by Q from Star Trek TNG:
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, Picard, maybe you should go back home and crawl under your bed! It's not safe out here!"

I think we are all agreed that the USN would take losses defending Taiwan. They would also inflict losses, of course. But it's been a while since they got in a fight with people who can hit back.

If the war happens during a Republican administration, I predict that the shitlib media will openly gloat about every American life lost. Because that is simply their nature.
If it happens during a Democrat one, otoh? Will they just deny, deny, deny that any losses happen? While at the same time laughing up their sleeves about all those people being sent to their deaths?

The Repubs will try to go for a quick, hard win. Operation Pacific Storm.
The Dems? They will gleefully turn it into Vietnam Two, Thermonuclear Bugaloo, if they are allowed to.

But then again, what do I know?

 

[ATP]

My totally unimportant opinion:

1.China belive,that USA would fall thanks to economy about 2040 - they would wait for taking Taiwan till then.

2.If they decide to attack after Biden made USA Navy even more lgbt,they could:

2.1 Win quickly becouse they are good and USA Navy would be total lgbt.
2.2 Win after hard fight,becouse both sides would suck
2.3 Somehow manage to lost like Moscov on Ukraine.

All depend on:

1.How much Biden fuck USA
2.How good China Navy really is.

@Scottty could knew about 1,but nobody,even probably chineese,knew how good their forces are.

 

[Batrix2070]

@Abhorsen come here, some guy is crashing the thread.

 

[Abhorsen]

@Abhorsen come here, some guy is crashing the thread.

The poster has been spam banned by @LordSunhawk, for both spamming (repeated, consecutive slur-only posts) and for praising Hitler, a direct TOS violation. Thank you to people who reported.

Trolls gonna troll.

 

[ATP]

The poster has been spam banned by @LordSunhawk, for both spamming (repeated, consecutive slur-only posts) and for praising Hitler, a direct TOS violation. Thank you to people who reported.

Trolls gonna troll.

Wait,trolls should build bridges and take money for passing,not praise Hitler.