Star Wars Star Wars Discussion Thread - LET THE PAST D-! Oh, wait, nevermind

[Husky_Khan]

I find it was impressive that Disney went from not following Lucas' trilogy outline which honestly, can be expected if you want the freedom to follow your own vision only to find out Disney literally had no outline and no vision for anything beyond a single film at a time within a planned trilogy of films.

From the same people who concurrently made the most successful cinematic universe of all time.

 

[Karmic Acumen]

From the same people who concurrently made the most successful cinematic universe of all time.

Not at all, actually, Marvel were their own thing that Disney only bought, and there was no creative osmosis between the two precisely because the acquisition contract came with certain autonomy conditions for Marvel. Disney has claim to precisely zero of the MCU's success, and Lucasfilm even less so.

They did ruin both though.

 

[gral]

The Prequels had heart, and George had a vision he stuck to. That makes them commendable in my eyes, regardless of how badly he buggered up the execution.

There's a reason most of the "what if the Prequels were good" videos and posts involve mostly tweaks here and there.

True, the Prequels were salvageable(my biggest gripe with them is the impression Lucas seems to have squeezed 4 movies in 3 - that is, 3 movies, even big ones, were too little for the story he wanted to tell).

 

[Husky_Khan]

Not at all, actually, Marvel were their own thing that Disney only bought, and there was no creative osmosis between the two precisely because the acquisition contract came with certain autonomy conditions for Marvel. Disney has claim to precisely zero of the MCU's success, and Lucasfilm even less so.

They did ruin both though.

Yeah but they could've been like... "You should outline your movies ahead of time. Like what we did here." I mean granted this is JJ Abrams who plans nothing and got famous for it from his TV work but still... It's not like they didn't have each other's contact info.

 

[Skallagrim]

my biggest gripe with them is the impression Lucas seems to have squeezed 4 movies in 3 - that is, 3 movies, even big ones, were too little for the story he wanted to tell

My feeling exactly. I've previously suggested that he should have followed Wagner in making three main films, but with a quasi-separate 'prelude' (cf. Das Rheingold in the Ring Cycle).

That is: he could have basically released an ATL version of The Phantom Menace as a "prelude" film in 1997 or something (instead of pottering about with any special editions). Leave out the Trade Federation, make the Secessionists the antagonists from the start. And then the film ends with their evil plot thwarted, but the Sith revealed as not-so-dead, and open war breaking out between the CIS and the Republic.

There'd still be a time-skip afterwards, but preferably a smaller one, so that Anakin is already (approaching) Luke's age in ANH when we first meet him. And then the actual Episodes I-II-III pick up in medias res, with Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting in the Clone Wars. During the three films, Anakin becomes more and more of a blood knight, and Obi-Wan becomes more and more opposed to the war. So their ideological conflict is "Any means are justified to end the war" versus "we have to stay true to our ideals, instead of becoming monsters who fight other monsters".

And in the end, Palpatine just outright reveals to Anakin that he's the Sith Lord, and that he's controlling both sides-- presenting it as a long-term plan to cull the weak and foster strength and (basically) "the will to power". Something that Anakin willingly goes along with (instead of being duped), because it's a point of view he's already come to agree with.

This doesn't change the overall structure of the story at all, although it alters Anakin's motivation. His relationship with Padmé becomes more of a secondary motivation; his real reason for joining Palpatine is that he just outright thinks Palpatine is right. That also allows for a plot change where Padmé fakes her death and lives for a few more years in hiding on Alderaan (thus removing the plot hole where Leia says in RotJ that she actively remembers her birth mother).

 

[Zyobot]

 

[Jormungandr]

You know, this actually makes me wonder if there's a Star Wars fanfic where there's a Jedi or Sith that's like OPM's Saitama.

...Yeah, I have no idea why my mind went there on seeing that.

 

[Zyobot]

 

[Bacle]

Looking back, it's lucky for the Empire that Erza's 'broadcast on channel 0' trick for attract purgil didn't get spread to the rest of the Alliance.

Those whale's shrugged off ISD-I armament at point blank range, then head butted the ISDs to death, or yanked them into hyperspace.

Palp's never sent Imperial forces back to Lothal, which probably meant the had it hyperspace mined instead to cut what access he could, or was so embarrassed/upset over the loss of the Temple that he didn't want to think about Lothal.

Plus, with Scariff and Yavin happening within that year as well, due to it being canon Hera was pregnant at Scariff, meant his attention and naval power was suddenly diminished. Even Tarkin didn't think of taking the Death Star to Lothal, likely worried what the purgil may do to it.

Do we have a canon or Legends location for Lothal in the galaxy?

 

[AspblastUSA]

Even Tarkin didn't think of taking the Death Star to Lothal, likely worried what the purgil may do to it.

This is something of a leap. In Disney Canon at least the Death Star was only just finished when the events of Rogue One happened, and ANH immediately after.

We have no clue what Tarkin planned to do as he spent the Death Star’s entire operational life chasing its schematics and then blew up with it. For all we know in a timeline where the Lana weren’t stolen it would’ve been introduced to the galaxy via live broadcast I’d deleting Lothal.

 

[Bacle]

This is something of a leap. In Disney Canon at least the Death Star was only just finished when the events of Rogue One happened, and ANH immediately after.

We have no clue what Tarkin planned to do as he spent the Death Star’s entire operational life chasing its schematics and then blew up with it. For all we know in a timeline where the Lana weren’t stolen it would’ve been introduced to the galaxy via live broadcast I’d deleting Lothal.

Some of the plans have been outlined for what the Emperor had planned to do with the first, and definitely second, Death Stars.

First target, for DS2 at least, was Dac/Mon Cal, which was still guarded by like 3/4 of the Rebel heavies and fleet in general. Ardus Kaine and Reaper were on standby to escort the DS2 into the systemm at one of the few hyperlanes in (probably Lianna lane, which Zsinj controlled later on), per some stuff I saw in an Eckerhart's Ladder break down/timeline.

I would bet that Lothal was probably not far down the list of targets after that.

 

[Jormungandr]

Some of the plans have been outlined for what the Emperor had planned to do with the first, and definitely second, Death Stars.

First target, for DS2 at least, was Dac/Mon Cal, which was still guarded by like 3/4 of the Rebel heavies and fleet in general. Ardus Kaine and Reaper were on standby to escort the DS2 into the systemm at one of the few hyperlanes in (probably Lianna lane, which Zsinj controlled later on), per some stuff I saw in an Eckerhart's Ladder break down/timeline.

I would bet that Lothal was probably not far down the list of targets after that.

Given Operation: Cinder, it wouldn't surprise me if ol' Sidious had every and any planet that had significant Rebel presence or affiliation on a "To Superlaser List". Lothal would be on that list, no doubt about it.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Looking back, it's lucky for the Empire that Erza's 'broadcast on channel 0' trick for attract purgil didn't get spread to the rest of the Alliance.

Those whale's shrugged off ISD-I armament at point blank range, then head butted the ISDs to death, or yanked them into hyperspace.

Palp's never sent Imperial forces back to Lothal, which probably meant the had it hyperspace mined instead to cut what access he could, or was so embarrassed/upset over the loss of the Temple that he didn't want to think about Lothal.

Plus, with Scariff and Yavin happening within that year as well, due to it being canon Hera was pregnant at Scariff, meant his attention and naval power was suddenly diminished. Even Tarkin didn't think of taking the Death Star to Lothal, likely worried what the purgil may do to it.

Do we have a canon or Legends location for Lothal in the galaxy?

I'd like to see those take Legends-standard Star Destroyers, which don't have anemic...no, fuck anemic, shit guns that don't even look like they match up to WWII naval artillery. I wouldn't be surprised if they used black powder charges and cast iron shot.

*spits*

What happens if they find themselves up against real Star Destroyers is that space gets splattered with flash-frozen blood, bits and pieces of burned and flash-frozen meat, and mutilated corpses.

 

[Skallagrim]

Do we have a canon or Legends location for Lothal in the galaxy?

Some of the plans have been outlined for what the Emperor had planned to do with the first, and definitely second, Death Stars.

First target, for DS2 at least, was Dac/Mon Cal, which was still guarded by like 3/4 of the Rebel heavies and fleet in general. Ardus Kaine and Reaper were on standby to escort the DS2 into the systemm at one of the few hyperlanes in (probably Lianna lane, which Zsinj controlled later on), per some stuff I saw in an Eckerhart's Ladder break down/timeline.

I would bet that Lothal was probably not far down the list of targets after that.

We're mixing continuities here. Fact is, Ardus Kaine doesn't even exist in Disney SW, and Lothal doesn't exist in the old EU. As far as I know, we have no idea what Palpatine's plans for the Death Star(s) were in Disney's time-line, and Eckhart's info comes from old EU sources.

(Purrgil only exist in the Disney time-line, too, by the way.)


...Anyway, in the Disney continuity, Lothal is like two sectors over from Mon Calamari, so if Palpatine was planning to just go on a planet-annihilating rampage, it'd probably make sense to get both of them in quick succession.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Purgil thing was a bit much. A swarm of them overtaking a fleet by surprise and all kinda felt fine to me. But I just started to automatically cringe at the thought the Space Whales protected Lothal and are the new power in the galaxy that even cows the mighty Death Star.

I hope the Purgil never show up again, at the very least in the manner offered in this thread. I'd prefer them to be barely mentioned or appearing as required expressly by the story since that's probably necessary for Ezra's return or whatever.

And I say this somewhat digging the concept of the Bendu and what happened with Kanan. Some things are appropriate in small amounts. If Jedi start riding Space Whales into Battle against the Death Star something has gone wrong.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

The Purgil piss me off in ways you can't imagine.

The fact that it was these tentacle monsters that dragged Thrawn and Ezra (specialist snow flake in the galaxy) Bridger to God knows where, somewhat turns my stomach inside out. They are the epitome of how damn childish Star Wars Rebels was.

And whilst they could get the drop on one or two of them, ISDs would bring their continent cracking weaponry to bear and essentially vapourise the whole herd/pod/pack of them. That's if they don't just bounce off the shields...

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Purgil piss me off in ways you can't imagine.

The fact that it was these tentacle monsters that dragged Thrawn and Ezra (specialist snow flake in the galaxy) Bridger to God knows where, somewhat turns my stomach inside out. They are the epitome of how damn childish Star Wars Rebels was.

And whilst they could get the drop on one or two of them, ISDs would bring their continent cracking weaponry to bear and essentially vapourise the whole herd/pod/pack of them. That's if they don't just bounce off the shields...

Don't forget Gilad Pellaeons voice cameo!

 

[Zyobot]

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

The Purgil piss me off in ways you can't imagine.

The fact that it was these tentacle monsters that dragged Thrawn and Ezra (specialist snow flake in the galaxy) Bridger to God knows where, somewhat turns my stomach inside out. They are the epitome of how damn childish Star Wars Rebels was.

And whilst they could get the drop on one or two of them, ISDs would bring their continent cracking weaponry to bear and essentially vapourise the whole herd/pod/pack of them. That's if they don't just bounce off the shields...

In short, it was Free Willy IN SPACE!

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Honestly the biggest sin of all of Disney has done to star wars is saying that inside of a year post Endor the empire was a utterly spent force. Like seriously it'd just too damm big for that to be the case even with a lot of wasteful infighting. I could maybe buy 5 years. But 1 is a greater sin to consistent lore and the like than the godamm space whales and everything else rebels and hell most of the sequel trilogy did other than hyperspace ramming and the magic ass area beyond space and time in rebels