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[Husky_Khan]

And yet Kreia was proven right in the long run... Four thousand years in the future... After a literal millennium of peace.

Only if there were no Jedi or Sith.

Of course there's still the Force.

But I mean it'll be self regulating or something if people stumble on to how to use it.

 

[Bacle]

And yet Kreia was proven right in the long run... Four thousand years in the future... After a literal millennium of peace.

Only if there were no Jedi or Sith.

Of course there's still the Force.

But I mean it'll be self regulating or something if people stumble on to how to use it.

Kreia was the Alex Jones of Star Wars, and look how often he's been proven right lately.

Sometime it takes time for the 'crazy conspiracy theorist' to morph into the 'unheeded prophet', because the world takes time for the masks to drop and the insanity to come out into the open.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

Kreia was the Alex Jones of Star Wars, and look how often he's been proven right lately.

Sometime it takes time for the 'crazy conspiracy theorist' to morph into the 'unheeded prophet', because the world takes time for the masks to drop and the insanity to come out into the open.

Kreia is right... when the authors agree with her.

Because that's the thing about characters pontificating about how the world works in side canon, they are only right when the authors that follow agree with them.

But George Lucas almost certainly didn't agree with her, and nor did, frankly, most of the authors of the EU.

And while some of the Disney Wars writers might... well, for the most part they are ignorable because they clearly have 0 care to know how the canon works.

But also... Anakin brought balance to the Force by removing the Sith and setting up the Jedi to come back in a form that's less likely to ossify... well, until the fucking Sequel Trilogy decided that they could toss Luke in the gutter and replace him with Jake.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Kreia was the Alex Jones of Star Wars, and look how often he's been proven right lately.

Sometime it takes time for the 'crazy conspiracy theorist' to morph into the 'unheeded prophet', because the world takes time for the masks to drop and the insanity to come out into the open.

Bruh if it takes four thousand years for your prediction to come true it's not particularly impressive.

You don't heed my vague advice... In about four millennia you'll be sorry though I don't actually give any time frames for said predictions.

 

[Husky_Khan]

But also... Anakin brought balance to the Force by removing the Sith and setting up the Jedi to come back in a form that's less likely to ossify... well, until the fucking Sequel Trilogy decided that they could toss Luke in the gutter and replace him with Jake.

The Kreia predicting shit is a dumb argument not just due to the passage of time but also it's not like if Anakin wasn't conceived by the Force or whatever that it would somehow prevent Palpatine from doing exactly what he was planning to.

Just no Luke or Leia to be born as the largely secular Imperials slaughter the Jedi and bring about the New Order at the behest of one Dark Side practitioner.

Like whining about Jedi and Sith is silly cope. The Force is still around. People have a natural affinity for said Force. It's not going away and since the Dark Side is more seductive apparently then tough shit. Your going to have to deal with it.

It's like trying to de-nuclearize the modern world only worse because the Force is part of the Star Wars Universe. This doesn't mean you can't have good stories like the X-Wing Series or Mandalorian but whining about mythical bullshit in Star Wars is absolutely silly.

 

[Zyobot]

 

[SpaceOrbis]

The Kreia predicting shit is a dumb argument not just due to the passage of time but also it's not like if Anakin wasn't conceived by the Force or whatever that it would somehow prevent Palpatine from doing exactly what he was planning to.

Just no Luke or Leia to be born as the largely secular Imperials slaughter the Jedi and bring about the New Order at the behest of one Dark Side practitioner.

Like whining about Jedi and Sith is silly cope. The Force is still around. People have a natural affinity for said Force. It's not going away and since the Dark Side is more seductive apparently than tough shit. You're going to have to deal with it.

It's like trying to de-nuclearize the modern world only worse because the Force is part of the Star Wars Universe. This doesn't mean you can't have good stories like the X-Wing Series or Mandalorian but whining about mythical bullshit in Star Wars is absolutely silly.

As I have said many a time while you can have stories, even great ones that don't deal with the force in any meaningful way you can't fully remove the force and what it does from Star Wars. The force is as much a part of Star Wars as the Enterprise crews are to Star Trek. Removing it effectively makes whatever you're watching definitively not Star Wars but some other work that is using bits of Star Wars.

In shows or movies where the focus is on non-Jedi and Sith, the force is still a fairly big component to the overall narrative. You would still have people who tap into it whether or not they are doing so knowingly or otherwise is up to the person. But it makes no sense to complain about a substantial part of what makes this franchise what it is.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Closer to want more Zahn and Stackpole type type writing in Star Wars, with more focus on how real warfare is fought and how mundanes can counter the mystical BS (ysalamiri say hello).

That's not really a good example though, because that's just countering mystical BS with other, equally mystical BS, that's just the the SW version of kryptonite. It doesn't show any sort of cleverness or ingenuity to do that.

"I built this blaster that shoots in an X pattern, so the jedi can't block all the shots and some will still get through" or "I built this shaped charge rocket with a gyroscope and accelerometer wired to the dentonator, so if the Jedi tries to stop it or yank it off course it will explode and fire the blast toward them" are clever ways that mundane soldiers can try to counter a Jedi. "I have this magic lizard that turns off your magic via it's magic" is not.

The force is as much a part of Star Wars as the Enterprise crews are to Star Trek.

It's more the attitude of those crews that matters, you can, and they have, made a very good show and a very adequate show that don't feature the enterprise, but still had the ideas and tone (plus or minus the occasional exploded Romulan Senator)

 

[SpaceOrbis]

It's more the attitude of those crews that matters, you can, and they have, made a very good show and a very adequate show that doesn't feature the enterprise, but still had the ideas and tone (plus or minus the occasional exploded Romulan Senator)

Sure but my point was that complaining about the force in Star Wars is like complaining that there's too much magic in Harry Potter. You can't remove something so major to what it is and still have a valid point.

If you don't like magic powers and the like fine. Don't watch anything Star Wars. Because no matter what that magic whatever you call it it's still going to play a part in the stories you'll find in that show, movie, or book. No way to remove the force from Star Wars and still have it be Star Wars.

 

[Bacle]

Sure but my point was that complaining about the force in Star Wars is like complaining that there's too much magic in Harry Potter. You can't remove something so major to what it is and still have a valid point.

If you don't like magic powers and the like fine. Don't watch anything Star Wars. Because no matter what that magic whatever you call it it's still going to play a part in the stories you'll find in that show, movie, or book. No way to remove the force from Star Wars and still have it be Star Wars.

The Force doesn't need to be removed from Star Wars, but it does need to be put in the backseat.

Hopefully the Book of Boba Fett will do that.

 

[SpaceOrbis]

The Force doesn't need to be removed from Star Wars, but it does need to be put in the backseat.

Hopefully the Book of Boba Fett will do that.

1-I see no real way to put the force into the backseat as you call it. It will always play a major part in anything Star Wars. You can certainly tell great narratives without the force being front and center but the force is still going to be a substantial component of the narrative of those stories. To set it aside in favor of whatever type of stories you're hoping to make or see you must first understand that this can't be done, at least in any way that keeps it truly Star Wars. In much the same way that if we remove Luke's story from lowly farm boy to Jedi master we would have altered who he is as a character. Trying to remove the force from Star Wars would remake what Star Wars is and thus stop it from being Star Wars.

Stories can be told that have little to do with the more magical sides of Star Wars. But if you're going to try to tell a story that has as little to do with the driving force to just about everything you may as well just make something else that is also set in space. The movie Space Balls is clearly a joke movie based on the Star Wars movies out at the time but we all know it isn't a Star Wars movie. A work of Star Wars that has that part of its lore put to the backseat is more akin to Space Balls than it is Star Wars.

2-I don't recall ever hearing anything on that. Is that a new movie/show?

 

[Husky_Khan]

2-I don't recall ever hearing anything on that. Is that a new movie/show?

It's the new spinoff from The Mandalorian with Boba Fett and his gal pal Ming Na-Wen attempting to take over the criminal underworld. It's going to be another television series on Disney Plus.

 

[Bacle]

1-I see no real way to put the force into the backseat as you call it. It will always play a major part in anything Star Wars. You can certainly tell great narratives without the force being front and center but the force is still going to be a substantial component of the narrative of those stories. To set it aside in favor of whatever type of stories you're hoping to make or see you must first understand that this can't be done, at least in any way that keeps it truly Star Wars. In much the same way that if we remove Luke's story from lowly farm boy to Jedi master we would have altered who he is as a character. Trying to remove the force from Star Wars would remake what Star Wars is and thus stop it from being Star Wars.

Stories can be told that have little to do with the more magical sides of Star Wars. But if you're going to try to tell a story that has as little to do with the driving force to just about everything you may as well just make something else that is also set in space. The movie Space Balls is clearly a joke movie based on the Star Wars movies out at the time but we all know it isn't a Star Wars movie. A work of Star Wars that has that part of its lore put to the backseat is more akin to Space Balls than it is Star Wars.

2-I don't recall ever hearing anything on that. Is that a new movie/show?

1) The Han Solo books, the Bounty Hunter trilogy, the Rogue Squadron games (less the books, due to Corran), and Shadows of the Empire game. Edit: Almost forgot the Lando books, and the Tales From books.

2) New series on Disney+ premiering Dec 29th, focusing on Boba taking over Jabba's old criminal empire after the events of The Mandalorian.

 

[SpaceOrbis]

New series on Disney+ premiering Dec 29th, focusing on Boba taking over Jabba's old criminal empire after the events of The Mandalorian.

I see will that's too bad. I'm not about to join that just to watch it. I'm much more a movie/gamer fan. I don't read the books so I have no views on any of that. Still, I'm sure somebody will post bits of it that I can see. I don't got the cash to join yet another one them things just to watch one show.

 

[Zyobot]

Happy Holidays.

 

[Bacle]

Picked up and interesting book yesterday:

'Strategy Strikes Back: How Star Wars Explains Modern Military Conflict' edited by Max Brooks, John Amble, ML Cavanaugh, Jayme Gates, and Foreword by Stanley McChrystal.

 

[Zyobot]

A bit belated, but better late than never!

(Although, maybe if you swapped out "Merry Christmas" for "Happy New Year", it'd be more apropos for after December 25th. Oh, well.)

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I have a question.

A Star Destroyer's main battery are its wing mounted heavy turbolasers, correct?

If so...I don't recall any moment in the films where they are truly fired in anger in a fleet action (I think there's a bit of "pew-pew" in Rogue One, and Thrawn tried to shoot down an X-Wing with them in Rebels). I remember in Rogue Squadron II they seemed to be Ion Cannons for some reason, but that's about it. And in the rare occasion they are used, for the primary armament of capital ships you'd think they'd be less "pew-pew" and more "boom-boom."

Why is this? You'd think in circumstances like Endor you'd watch these state of the art ships of the line unload into some hapless Rebel cruiser that promptly disintegrates, but no. Instead they seem to slap at each other with their secondary armaments for some reason.

 

[Bacle]

I have a question.

A Star Destroyer's main battery are its wing mounted heavy turbolasers, correct?

If so...I don't recall any moment in the films where they are truly fired in anger in a fleet action (I think there's a bit of "pew-pew" in Rogue One, and Thrawn tried to shoot down an X-Wing with them in Rebels). I remember in Rogue Squadron II they seemed to be Ion Cannons for some reason, but that's about it. And in the rare occasion they are used, for the primary armament of capital ships you'd think they'd be less "pew-pew" and more "boom-boom."

Why is this? You'd think in circumstances like Endor you'd watch these state of the art ships of the line unload into some hapless Rebel cruiser that promptly disintegrates, but no. Instead they seem to slap at each other with their secondary armaments for some reason.

Wing batteries were for fleet engagements, mostly.

The ISD 1's had two heavy dual turbo lasers in the front 2 on each side, heavy single ion cannons on the rear 2.

ISD 2's had octuple medium turbolasers on all 8 mounts.

You see them used briefly during the Endor space battle.

 

[Zyobot]