What If? Star Trek Federation is transported into the 40k galaxy

Sailor.X

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Question. What about the godlike beings in Star Trek that pretend to be human on a daily basis and live on Federation worlds. Like this guy. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Douwd

And he is not the only one that does it. Do they get brought along too because technically they are living normal lives on Federation worlds?
 

Agent23

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Bullshit.

In the first episode ever, Christopher Pike muses on how well he'd do if he left Starfleet and became a businessman on Regulus.

A 100,000 Credit bounty is placed on Harry Mudd's head, by the Federation.

Picard negotiates for access to a wormhole, offering 1.5 million Federation Credits down and another 100,000 Credits a year.

Uhura is offered a Tribble to buy for 10 credits.

I notice, as usual, you didn't supply any proof when asked. At this point, I have to wonder if you've ever actually seen any Star Trek because it looks very much like you only know Star Trek memes from SB and SD vs. debates.
The USSR still had banks, it still had currency, even a few small privately owned commercial ventures too.

You claim that your examples are recent, but you certainly quote TOS and TAS which are the same era.

We still have a lot of leftist nonsense about people working "to improve themselves" like Picard's holyer than thou speeches.

The federation is a joke, be it from military, political and military leadership standpoints, and character shields and one off tricks bases on one off plot devices will not save them.

You have not proven thet rhey can counter Chaos influence, genestealer infiltration or the huge waved of an Ork Waagh.

Any ground-based combat or boarding action involving any Warhammer faction will lead to the Feds being pulverized.

Any fleet action will lead to overwhelming quantity forces brought to bear upon them.

Like any stupid utopian pipe dream folds.
 

Zachowon

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I don't see an expansion from the Feds till they get a much better idea of what they've fallen into. Of course, an expansionist Federation is MUCH more likely to cause the IoM to come try and curbstomp them.
Just relying to explore could end bad for them but that may not learn that for a decent time
Question. What about the godlike beings in Star Trek that pretend to be human on a daily basis and live on Federation worlds. Like this guy. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Douwd

And he is not the only one that does it. Do they get brought along too because technically they are living normal lives on Federation worlds?
Is he a member of the Federation.
Amd tou would have to explain what he can do.

I am inclined to say no but depends on what he can do, and based on his relations to tje Federation.
 

Crom's Black Blade

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Okay let me clarify on Trek tech.
Thier sensors should be affected by the Warp when near a Warp storm, near a Warp portal, or near the rifts in space.
So the Starfleets sensors and comms more or less work as advertised outside of these specific examples?

Do you think they will expand?

I think they'll eventually start bringing alien and human worlds on their border into the fold, yes. As an Alliance of planets it would only make sense both for the Federation extending its security and stability to the other planets, I imagine replicators and other Federation tech would greatly uplift the standard of living of most Imperial worlds, as well as adding said planet's resources and strength to their mutual defense.

How long until the Imperium says "stop it" is more up in the air depending on where the Federation is situated in relation to them and just how many other problems the Imperium is having to deal with.
 

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I am just gonna put this here. And also.......

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Zachowon

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So the Starfleets sensors and comms more or less work as advertised outside of these specific examples?



I think they'll eventually start bringing alien and human worlds on their border into the fold, yes. As an Alliance of planets it would only make sense both for the Federation extending its security and stability to the other planets, I imagine replicators and other Federation tech would greatly uplift the standard of living of most Imperial worlds, as well as adding said planet's resources and strength to their mutual defense.

How long until the Imperium says "stop it" is more up in the air depending on where the Federation is situated in relation to them and just how many other problems the Imperium is having to deal with.
Basically the closer they get to something of the Warp it will interfere. Probably as well with Eldar systems and other kind.

Does Starfleet use any AI?

And the Imperial Worlds would depend.
If it is a recruiting world for Space Marines then war abd a crusade.
if it is some fuedual world? Maybe not.
it all depends on what ever goes on at that planet.
sad part is they may end ip picking up cultists or Genestealers as well.
so it would be interestingdepending on where thwy try to expand too


I am just gonna put this here. And also.......

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I mean, don't push any if the factions in 40k onto thin ice.

And there are factions that can deal with beings like that.
 

Bear Ribs

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Just relying to explore could end bad for them but that may not learn that for a decent time

Is he a member of the Federation.
Amd tou would have to explain what he can do.

I am inclined to say no but depends on what he can do, and based on his relations to tje Federation.
It's pretty much covered in the link he included. Douwd are pretty much Q-lite, Kevin Uxbridge was a Douwd pretending to be human married to a Federation Citizen and living on their colony at Rana IV. I don't think it ever explicitly says "He's a federation citizen" but he reincarnated himself as a human on Earth in the late 2200s and lived out a normal life as a Federation scientist so pretty much yeah. When a Husnock killed his wife, he fingersnapped the entire Husnock species out of existence (actually less as he said he did it entirely with a thought) and then recreated Rana IV and his wife.

That said this isn't something to be relied on, there's no telling how many Douwd are actually living in the Federation as they prefer to stay hidden and their moral code forbids them from taking any aggressive action. Kevin did it entirely because he was really pissed they killed his wife and had a vengeful thought. While it's possible he'd do the same and fingersnap away, say, the Necrons if one attacked his family he wouldn't go out of his way to do it so it would entirely be a coin-toss if any given enemy happened to really tick a Douwd off, the Federation is not going to be able to motivate or mobilize a Douwd to go do it on command.

Do you think they will expand?
Doubtful they'll do so immediately. However the Federation is very expansionistic, in a distinctly non-violent way, and their MO is to go around finding ancient horrors and poking them with sticks after which they either technobabble the ancient horror out of existence or make friends with it. Sooner or later they're going to start colonizing nearby worlds and sending Starships to poke all the local horrors with sticks.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Can we agree to just get rid of any Infinity Gauntlets out there...no matter where they come from?

That means no Q, no wormhole aliens, nothing. The Federation will have to survive on its own.

And holy Hannah...has it EVER done that when faced with an existential threat? Because...I'm having a hard time thinking of a time when some 'Q'-like entity or time travelers didn't come in to save the Feddies.
 
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Zachowon

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It's pretty much covered in the link he included. Douwd are pretty much Q-lite, Kevin Uxbridge was a Douwd pretending to be human married to a Federation Citizen and living on their colony at Rana IV. I don't think it ever explicitly says "He's a federation citizen" but he reincarnated himself as a human on Earth in the late 2200s and lived out a normal life as a Federation scientist so pretty much yeah. When a Husnock killed his wife, he fingersnapped the entire Husnock species out of existence (actually less as he said he did it entirely with a thought) and then recreated Rana IV and his wife.

That said this isn't something to be relied on, there's no telling how many Douwd are actually living in the Federation as they prefer to stay hidden and their moral code forbids them from taking any aggressive action. Kevin did it entirely because he was really pissed they killed his wife and had a vengeful thought. While it's possible he'd do the same and fingersnap away, say, the Necrons if one attacked his family he wouldn't go out of his way to do it so it would entirely be a coin-toss if any given enemy happened to really tick a Douwd off, the Federation is not going to be able to motivate or mobilize a Douwd to go do it on command.


Doubtful they'll do so immediately. However the Federation is very expansionistic, in a distinctly non-violent way, and their MO is to go around finding ancient horrors and poking them with sticks after which they either technobabble the ancient horror out of existence or make friends with it. Sooner or later they're going to start colonizing nearby worlds and sending Starships to poke all the local horrors with sticks.
What is the biggest conflict the Federation have been apart of and jave gone all out on that we know of?

Back to my whole depends on what planets they stumble across.

I put then in Sigmentum Tempestus.

Can we agree to just get rid of any Infinity Gauntlets out there...no matter where they come from?
I mean, 40k doesn't even have beings like that AFAIK, so it would just be Star Trek things.

The closest we get would be memery of Trazyn the infinite and his stasis balls that can freeze anything and anyone in time.
From Primarchs to Krorks.

But that would be about the only thing I can think of that 40k has memery wise and even them we know he only does it if necessary or wants it.
 

Crom's Black Blade

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Basically the closer they get to something of the Warp it will interfere. Probably as well with Eldar systems and other kind.
I'm guessing you are referring to ECM? Considering how alien Federation tech is, its a toss up how effective any such measures are going to be.

Does Starfleet use any AI?
Yes, to a degree. Each ship has a computer which has some but largely basic intelligence. Through on at least two occasions the Enterprise-D computer managed to either evolve a self-aware consciousness or create one for a holodeck character. In addition to that there are of course Emergency Hologram Doctors.

If it is a recruiting world for Space Marines then war abd a crusade.
Well Marine recruiting worlds are rare and are typically deathworlds with low populations with the only real point of contact being through the Marines themselves who, presumably, wouldn't be interested in joining the Federation. So that's an unlikely turn of the events.

if it is some fuedual world? Maybe not.
Well Agri-world, Hive world, Civilized World. Those seem to make up the bulk of the Imperium and seem the most likely for the Federation to stumble across and tempt to join them.
 

Zachowon

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I'm guessing you are referring to ECM? Considering how alien Federation tech is, its a toss up how effective any such measures are going to be.


Yes, to a degree. Each ship has a computer which has some but largely basic intelligence. Through on at least two occasions the Enterprise-D computer managed to either evolve a self-aware consciousness or create one for a holodeck character. In addition to that there are of course Emergency Hologram Doctors.


Well Marine recruiting worlds are rare and are typically deathworlds with low populations with the only real point of contact being through the Marines themselves who, presumably, wouldn't be interested in joining the Federation. So that's an unlikely turn of the events.


Well Agri-world, Hive world, Civilized World. Those seem to make up the bulk of the Imperium and seem the most likely for the Federation to stumble across and tempt to join them.
What the Eldar do isn't really ECM, it is more what thier ships do.
I mean it is and isn't ECM. It is basically thier systems appear as more them one or targeting can't lock on accurately.
Stuff like that.
I would have to dig Battlefleet Gothic.

So nothing super advanced like SW droids or many versions of Data?

Most planets they would go upon would probably not go with the Federation at risk of uh...
A inquisitor deciding to stop by for heresy or rebellion or any number of Imperial forces stopping by.
 

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Does Starfleet use any AI?
So nothing super advanced like SW droids or many versions of Data?
Data is highly unique in Star Trek, he's nearly (but not quite) a one off. Before Star Trek Picard, we knew of exactly FOUR Soong-type Androids: Data, Lore (the prototype for Data), B4 (the prototype for Lore), and Lal (Data's daughter, who died). The Federation is actually VERY careful with AIs as they've been burned multiple times before with them. They had experimented with AI driven Starships back in TOS ("The Ultimate Computer") and had it go rogue on them and they were forced to shut it down. Depending on the canonicity of Star Trek Lower Decks, in the post-TNG era they experimented with it AGAIN for second line starships... and AGAIN had them go rogue and had to be shut down. So yeah, while they CAN make AIs, they don't and they certainly don't let them near critical systems. Data is about the only one that's been successful and hasn't gone evil.

EMH are not true AIs either, by default programming, they're just a highly interactive program. EMH that run continuously for extended periods of time CAN eventually develop into a true AI, but there's exactly ONE example of that happening (Voyager's EMH), and under their normal use parameters they won't develop at all.

Basically, while Trek computers use highly intuitive real language interfaces and can parse complicated commands and understand linguistic context cues, they're not true AIs, explicitly on purpose as the Federation doesn't really fully trust true AIs.

What is the biggest conflict the Federation have been apart of and jave gone all out on that we know of?
We know of two utterly major wars the Federation fought. The Klingon War of the early 23rd century (as shown in the first season or two of Star Trek Discovery... though they handled the entire thing terribly so it's just... stupid), and the Dominion War as covered in Deep Space Nine. Both were existential level conflicts for the Federation, and both saw the Federation stop fucking around and applying their tech and knowledge to war. The Dominion War saw the Federation fielding fleets and engaging in considerable large scale coordinated fleet actions across a MASSIVE front. It also saw them develop and deploy a bioweapon that could infect and kill Changlings... which are way more complex creatures biologically than anything in WH40k.
 

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So nothing super advanced like SW droids or many versions of Data?
Depends on when exactly in the franchise this is set. Up and until the Picard series, no. It was a plot point that they didn't fully understand how Data worked. Come the series they did start mass producing androids for slave labor but I never really watched the series so I couldn't tell you more than that.

Most planets they would go upon would probably not go with the Federation at risk of uh...
A inquisitor deciding to stop by for heresy or rebellion or any number of Imperial forces stopping by.
I'm not sure of that. The Federation offers many advantages. It's closer at hand than far off Terra for one. It's government is far more responsive and not nearly as dogmatic or hidebound. Beyond offering Federation technology, starfleet engineers likely have much to offer a world in improving the technology they already have and educating them in the nuts and bolts of the principals on why their technology works.

At the very least I think a world would be tempted.

The Federation also has significant defenses against Slaanesh. When he shows signs of Holodeck addiction we see Barclay shunned and great social pressure put on him not to succumb to his desire for more entertainment, and what he was doing was pretty mild. The Federation in general, despite having widely available Holodecks, rarely uses such technology for anything as base as porn and puts way more emphasis on edutainment, training, and simulations.

I see what your saying and definitely think that's a good point. My concern is how in the Barclay example everyone before the Enterprise crew just kind of ignored him and shifted him around through the fleet. With part of that simply being how Barclay's addiction meant he was just "going through the motions" when on-duty. I could see a Slaanesh-influenced Barclay, indulging in ever greater indulgences safely in the holodeck but passionately motivated at work, quietly rising through the ranks.

To me the threat that Chaos poses would be different in the Federation than it is in the brutal Imperium. Where as the latter its typified as cancerous cults growing in shadows from both the lowest down trodden and highest placed I see the Federation as simply too open a society, it's people too well-adjusted and lacking grievance both real or imagined, for anything like that to take root. Rather I think it would be more isolated individuals slowly and subtly influenced and turned that would try to get into key positions of power.

For example a Federation scientist tempted and teased by Tzeentch with the tantalizing answers of the universe slowly falling under his sway. Eventually heading a department which proposes ever more esoteric research into the Warp that will be made to culminate in a critical failure that rips an opening between our universe and the Immaterium engulfing the world or starbase in the mutating tendrils of the Warp.
 
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I'm not sure of that. The Federation offers many advantages. It's closer at hand than far off Terra for one. It's government is far more responsive and not nearly as dogmatic or hidebound. Beyond offering Federation technology, starfleet engineers likely have much to offer a world in improving the technology they already have and educating them in the nuts and bolts of the principals on why their technology works.

At the very least I think a world would be tempted.
It's how the Tau were able to convert a number of outlying Imperial worlds.
 

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Yes,they would be fine.Especially,that once orks or tyranids invade their worlds,they simply start using teleporters to kill them by transporting shit into enemy brains.
When it come to surviving,ST could be without mercy for enemies.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Yes,they would be fine.Especially,that once orks or tyranids invade their worlds,they simply start using teleporters to kill them by transporting shit into enemy brains.
Scanners would have trouble picking out the individual 'nids. you'd be better off just bombing them. Especially with the amount of energy transports use.
'Course, I'd LOVE to see what kind of adaptations the nids would come up with after facing the Feddies!
 
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Zachowon

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Data is highly unique in Star Trek, he's nearly (but not quite) a one off. Before Star Trek Picard, we knew of exactly FOUR Soong-type Androids: Data, Lore (the prototype for Data), B4 (the prototype for Lore), and Lal (Data's daughter, who died). The Federation is actually VERY careful with AIs as they've been burned multiple times before with them. They had experimented with AI driven Starships back in TOS ("The Ultimate Computer") and had it go rogue on them and they were forced to shut it down. Depending on the canonicity of Star Trek Lower Decks, in the post-TNG era they experimented with it AGAIN for second line starships... and AGAIN had them go rogue and had to be shut down. So yeah, while they CAN make AIs, they don't and they certainly don't let them near critical systems. Data is about the only one that's been successful and hasn't gone evil.

EMH are not true AIs either, by default programming, they're just a highly interactive program. EMH that run continuously for extended periods of time CAN eventually develop into a true AI, but there's exactly ONE example of that happening (Voyager's EMH), and under their normal use parameters they won't develop at all.

Basically, while Trek computers use highly intuitive real language interfaces and can parse complicated commands and understand linguistic context cues, they're not true AIs, explicitly on purpose as the Federation doesn't really fully trust true AIs.


We know of two utterly major wars the Federation fought. The Klingon War of the early 23rd century (as shown in the first season or two of Star Trek Discovery... though they handled the entire thing terribly so it's just... stupid), and the Dominion War as covered in Deep Space Nine. Both were existential level conflicts for the Federation, and both saw the Federation stop fucking around and applying their tech and knowledge to war. The Dominion War saw the Federation fielding fleets and engaging in considerable large scale coordinated fleet actions across a MASSIVE front. It also saw them develop and deploy a bioweapon that could infect and kill Changlings... which are way more complex creatures biologically than anything in WH40k.
Idk, C'tan are certainly more complex then them but that's because they are wierd.
Imperium has something similarcalled a virus bomb.
It just gives all living things.

so thier computers ohtside if data wouldnt be subseptable to the 40k version of the logoc plague. That is a point in thier direction. DAoT Humanity learned the hard way.

so no esoteric or uber powerful being jelped out the Feds?
How big was this conflict? The one you know
Depends on when exactly in the franchise this is set. Up and until the Picard series, no. It was a plot point that they didn't fully understand how Data worked. Come the series they did start mass producing androids for slave labor but I never really watched the series so I couldn't tell you more than that.


I'm not sure of that. The Federation offers many advantages. It's closer at hand than far off Terra for one. It's government is far more responsive and not nearly as dogmatic or hidebound. Beyond offering Federation technology, starfleet engineers likely have much to offer a world in improving the technology they already have and educating them in the nuts and bolts of the principals on why their technology works.

At the very least I think a world would be tempted.



I see what your saying and definitely think that's a good point. My concern is how in the Barclay example everyone before the Enterprise crew just kind of ignored him and shifted him around through the fleet. With part of that simply being how Barclay's addiction meant he was just "going through the motions" when on-duty. I could see a Slaanesh-influenced Barclay, indulging in ever greater indulgences safely in the holodeck but passionately motivated at work, quietly rising through the ranks.

To me the threat that Chaos poses would be different in the Federation than it is in the brutal Imperium. Where as the latter its typified as cancerous cults growing in shadows from both the lowest down trodden and highest placed I see the Federation as simply too open a society, it's people too well-adjusted and lacking grievance both real or imagined, for anything like that to take root. Rather I think it would be more isolated individuals slowly and subtly influenced and turned that would try to get into key positions of power.

For example a Federation scientist tempted and teased by Tzeentch with the tantalizing answers of the universe slowly falling under his sway. Eventually heading a department which proposes ever more esoteric research into the Warp that will be made to culminate in a critical failure that rips an opening between our universe and the Immaterium engulfing the world or starbase in the mutating tendrils of the Warp.
It again, would depend on the world.

Would the Governor risk Inquisition coming there to take him out of for the Imperium to launch a crusade?
Tempting yes but would depend on the world.


I definitely think Tzeentch would be the biggest one to bring in Choas to the feds.

Though as we know the deeper on learns of Choas the better they are able to he brought in under thier power. Or at least fall for tricks easier.

Like what happend in 40k Space Marine game.
 

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so no esoteric or uber powerful being jelped out the Feds?
How big was this conflict? The one you know
OK, so, it's kinda complicated?

Was there a point of intervention by super powerful beings in the Federation's favor? Yes. However, in some respects that can be argued as those aliens balancing the scales since the only reason the war could even take place was because those same aliens had built a wormhole connecting Federation frontier space in the Alpha Quadrant to the Dominion frontier space in the Gamma Quadrant. In other words, they were both enabled the war to happen in the first place and stepped on the scale ONCE, after a lot of convincing, and while it was a critical moment, it was the only time they did so.

For the uniformed, in Star Trek the Milky Way Galaxy is divided into four quadrants. The Federation straddles the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, with Sol being the dividing point. The Klingons and Romulan Empires are both in the Beta Quadrant while the Cardassians and Bajor were in the Alpha Quadrant. The Dominion was in the Gamma Quadrant, thousands and thousands of lightyears on the opposite side of the galaxy from the Federation and the only reason either side could even begin to contact each other was due to the Bajoran Wormhole, which connected the Alpha Quadrant to the Gamma Quadrant. This wormhole was not a naturally occurring one, but rather, an artificial one constructed by the mysterious "Prophets" a-temporal energy beings who lived in the wormhole but were "Of Bajor". Thus, the only reason the Dominion and Federation came into conflict was due to the wormhole and once, after considerable cajoling by Sisko, the Wormhole Aliens disappeared a Dominion Fleet that was about to attack Deep Space Nine, though in the long run all it did was buy the Federation a little more time. The vast bulk of the war was fought conventionally without any other interventions.

As to the scale of the conflict. The Dominion War is very much Star Trek's equivalent of World War 2. Most folks talk about it as Dominion vs Federation, but that's due to those being the leading factions on either side. The actual faction breakdown was The Dominion, the Cardassian Union, the Breen Confederacy, and other smaller powers VS the United Federation of Planets, the Klingon Empire, the Romulan Star Empire, and other smaller powers.

Note: historically both the Klingon Empire and Romulan Star Empire were consider near-peer powers to the Federation. In one timeline the Klingon Empire was actually winning a war against the Federation. So these were not some small powers, the Feds, Klinks and Rommies are the Big Three powers of Star Trek prior to the Dominion showing up and pretty much dominated all politics in their regions uncontested save for each other. That those three powers were united on the same side is very much having the US, UK, and USSR on the same team... it's a LOT of heavy firepower. The Breen were a longstanding peer opponent of the Romulans who brought some very... interesting tech to the war, and the Cardassians were, effectively, the Sick Man of the Alpha Quadrant.
 
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Just to add as of Star Trek Prodigy (Which the showrunners have confirmed is canon) Starfleet has functional and working Quantum Slipstream drives on some ships as of 2384. This would give the Federation a Galaxy spanning reach not relliant on the 40K Warp.

Also like I said earlier we have a few godlike beings that are Federation citizens. They just don't get involved most of the time in the affairs of the Galaxy. Being thrown into the 40K universe would get them to be more proactive. When you send all of the Federation citizens to 40K you don't get to pick and choose the citizens you send.
 

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