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What If? Star Trek Federation is transported into the 40k galaxy

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They are sent into the edges of the Sigmentum that isn't shrouded in darkness.
The entire Federation as of the most recent time in current and old media.

Bonus: the mirror universe


Edit: Federation do not have access to anything they have not produced on large enough scale to fight a war with.

So one time miracle technobabble that has only appeared in a single episode and never mentioned is out.

I don't want to have to mention this but I do.

Same for saying the DAoT Imperium somehow pulls out all thier stuff from then and uses it. They don't trust it because Choas took over the AI...
 
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What did the Federation ever do yo you?

Kill your pet dog in a freak transporter accident?

They get steamrolled pretty fast, with some bits of tech like the warp drive that does not need to go through a hell dimension getting utilized by some races.

The Mirror Universe humans and the Warhammer Imperium are gonna go "Well, they are kinda weird, but at least their hearts are in the right place where humanity's ascent and those filthy xenos are concerned."
 

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To be fair to the Federation, Starfleet is no stranger to wild shit like random energy beings that are fascinated by the idea of the concept of death, or anomalies that catapult you through time, or parasitic/shapeshifting alien infiltrators (that I would hope that by now they're keeping a closer eye out for). Trek's home setting could be considered a death universe on its own, simply due to how much weird shit tries to kill the ship/a random every week. The number of ships and planets the Enterprise (I'm assuming ~TNG era, but any version will do) encounters that have randomly exploded/been depopulated/whatever suggests this isn't that unusual an occurrence. Unlike the Imperium, their preferred response is to do science to it, rather than mark 'here be heresy' on a map and shoot anyone who gets curious. The fact they still know the basic principles behind their scientific and industrial base is a massive help in this regard.

Sentient black hole trying to eat the ship again?
Imperium: Perform the ritual the Magos claims he knows how to perform that has something to with the holy vibrations of the gravity generator. Will it work? No idea, but it has the same sentence in the title as the one the cogitators spat out when describing the heretical anomaly.
Starfleet: Invert the quantum waveform of the main deflector's graviton emitter and run a plasma charge through the nacelles, then divert tachyons from the event horizon itself. Once the resulting subspace membrane dissipates, we should be in the clear. Or the ship will explode, but the Enterprise is the closest ship in the sector and I'm sure they'll figure out what happened just in time for it to not happen to them.

This attitude will prove detrimental when they try and analyse those weird symbols they found that seem to move when you look at them out of the corner of your eye. Maybe Troi will finally do something useful and explode in time to warn them to stop.

The main issue for basic survival is that while Starfleet is used to dealing with this shit, the Federation as a whole is not and it's anyone's guess how easily these things could slip through. There will be a nasty adjustment period for the civilian side while everyone figures out how to keep the universe from eating them (more than is usually tries to, anyway).

The problems begin if/when one of the neighbours take notice. A major Ork waaagh would have enough firepower to gut starfleet and its crude enough that there probably isn't a way to technobabble out of it (no-one seems to use psychic tech, so I'd assume supressing the waaagh is a non-starter). Betazoids/all reasonably potent telepaths are probably fucked too. Not 'new Eye of Terror' level, but a constant, slow buring Chaos infestation that even General Order 24 doesn't fully solve might occur, since the Federation won't have attitude needed to stop things snowballing until they've had their noses rubbed in it.

Basically, the neighbours and the warp are the big problem. The galaxy is a big place, so if they can avoid attention (local minor xenos might be manageable) and manage to keep a lid on psychic activities, they might be able to buy the time needed to adjust. How much time will be needed and what it will cost them is the main question.

The Main threat will be the Imperium finding them. Not only are they flagrantly consorting with xenos (worthy of death all by itself), they're humans being successful while not part of the Imperium. That last part is a threat to their legitimacy and that will not be tolerated by the Imperium as a whole, even as an alliance of convenience. Local commanders might grit their teeth and work with the xeno-lovers, but once word starts to spread expect a crusade.

Mirror universe Terran Empire might get along with the Imperium thanks to not being xeno-lovers. They still work with them, but once it becomes politically inconvenient they can be disposed of. Their problem will be keeping the latest would-be Terran Emperor (I hope for their sake that title doesn't translate to Gothic literally) from trying to consort with Chaos to get the power needed to rule. The Imperium will get sick of their backstabbing eventually, but they should at least be able to work with them for a while, as long as it looks like they're being incorporated into the Imperium. If it looks like they aren't going to join? Crusade time.
 

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Starfleet is very well equipped. There is no hope of making friends with anyone besides the Imperium (and maybe the Tau). Everyone else is a mortal enemy forever. Starfleet no longer has to let treaties hold them back anymore. They are free to break out their phase cloaks and their genesis devices and their subspace weapons and blowing up star systems by launching trilithium into the sun and so on. The phase cloak by itself is ludicrously powerful. Any ship equipped with it will become impervious to almost anything, only having to expose themselves when phasing back in to launch a volley of torpedoes before phasing back out again.

The two biggest problems for the Federation are:
  • The logistical problem of Starfleet warp drive being too slow. The Federation either wants to make a deal with the Imperium so that their ships can have the Emperor's protection while traveling through the Warp too, or the Federation wants to reverse engineer Eldar webways.
  • Chaos. Not sure if there is any way for the Federation to deal with this.
 

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Most of that tech was basically one-offs and plot devices we never saw used in more than one episode.

There is the very real problem of Warp fuckery and nasty stuff like Tyranids and Ork and Chaos.

And Trek ships are woefully underpowered vs. anything that 40k has.
 

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Oddly, it feels like the Warp will be a lesser problem for the Federation. Dealing with superpowered extradimensional enemies is their bread and butter, they defend from such things all the time, more so in the Kirk era to be sure compared with the modern but that suggests that, well, there're a lot less godlike beings still alive by the modern era. They have an absurd number of one-off ways of hosing such beings.

Orks, not so much. Federation technology is woefully deficient at protecting from an axe to the face compared with their outstanding protection from demonic energy-being possession.

I do slightly wonder what the Federation in it's most current form is. Are we looking at, like, Star Trek Prodigies or is the Temporal Federation with their abundant and easy time travel on the table?
 

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Oddly, it feels like the Warp will be a lesser problem for the Federation. Dealing with superpowered extradimensional enemies is their bread and butter, they defend from such things all the time, more so in the Kirk era to be sure compared with the modern but that suggests that, well, there're a lot less godlike beings still alive by the modern era. They have an absurd number of one-off ways of hosing such beings.

Orks, not so much. Federation technology is woefully deficient at protecting from an axe to the face compared with their outstanding protection from demonic energy-being possession.

I do slightly wonder what the Federation in it's most current form is. Are we looking at, like, Star Trek Prodigies or is the Temporal Federation with their abundant and easy time travel on the table?
You are not understanding what the Warp is.
It is not simply an energy being, or a weird dimension, it is literally the shared unconsciousness of everything alive manifested in a hellish dimension.

It is quite literally part of every single living and sentient being in the 40K MW aside for the Orks and the Tyranids and it is the manifestation of every fear and every dark desire, obsession, ambition, revenge fantasy and kinky wet dream.

Furthermore, it is not limited to a single fucked up location or a single being thet will conveniently be met by someone with plot armor, it's influence spreads everywhere and it can corrupt anyone.

The feds manages to win against the Borg solely because of Dumb luck and the aid of omnipotent beings and in many timelines they lost.

Picard's and Janeway's character shields do not extend to the whole of the Federation, which is run by cowards and idiots.

Chaos will devour the Federation with ease.
 
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You are not understanding what the Warp is.
It is not simply an energy being, or a weird dimension, it is literally the shared unconsciousness of everything alive manifested in a hellish dimension.

It is quite literally part of every single living and sentient being in the 40K MW aside for the Orks and the Tyranids and it is the manifestation of every fear and every dark desire, revenge fantasy and kinky wet dream.

Furthermore, it is not limited to a single fucked up location or a single being thet will conveniently be met by someone with plot armor, it's influence spreads everywhere and it can corrupt anyone.

The feds manages to win against the Borg solely because of Dumb luck and the aid of omnipotent beings and in many timelines they lost.

Picard's and Janeway's character shields do not extend to the whole of the Federation, which is run by cowards and idiots.
I'm aware of what the warp is. I'm also aware of the myriad things that simply shut the warp down from Pylons to Blanks to Null Field Matrices to Blackstone to whatever the one Primarch who's completely immune has going on (Fans usually think it's Lion but the warp-immune Primarch's been named specifically that I'm aware of).

And we could fill ten hours of the Federation studying X weird anomaly and then adding it to their shields/disrupting it with the deflector dish/creating a perfect countermeasure, all in the space of minutes to hours. That's why I think the Warp won't really be a problem for them, there are lots and lots of countermeasures already in existence and the Federation has fair odds of duplicating that power as soon as they have time to study it.
 
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You are not understanding what the Warp is.
It is not simply an energy being, or a weird dimension, it is literally the shared unconsciousness of everything alive manifested in a hellish dimension.

It is quite literally part of every single living and sentient being in the 40K MW aside for the Orks and the Tyranids and it is the manifestation of every fear and every dark desire, obsession, ambition, revenge fantasy and kinky wet dream.

Furthermore, it is not limited to a single fucked up location or a single being thet will conveniently be met by someone with plot armor, it's influence spreads everywhere and it can corrupt anyone.

The feds manages to win against the Borg solely because of Dumb luck and the aid of omnipotent beings and in many timelines they lost.

Picard's and Janeway's character shields do not extend to the whole of the Federation, which is run by cowards and idiots.

Chaos will devour the Federation with ease.
The more I learn about 40K the more it reads like a punchline to a joke that went over everyone's head.

Anyway as powerful as the federation is, it's still bound by rules and 40K is essentially spectacul porn. Federation is toast.
 
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It is quite literally part of every single living and sentient being in the 40K MW aside for the Orks and the Tyranids and it is the manifestation of every fear and every dark desire, obsession, ambition, revenge fantasy and kinky wet dream.
Oh so literally a self insert of both the writers and the fandom. Yeah the federation is utterly toast.
 

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Starfleet is very well equipped. There is no hope of making friends with anyone besides the Imperium (and maybe the Tau). Everyone else is a mortal enemy forever. Starfleet no longer has to let treaties hold them back anymore. They are free to break out their phase cloaks and their genesis devices and their subspace weapons and blowing up star systems by launching trilithium into the sun and so on. The phase cloak by itself is ludicrously powerful. Any ship equipped with it will become impervious to almost anything, only having to expose themselves when phasing back in to launch a volley of torpedoes before phasing back out again.

The two biggest problems for the Federation are:
  • The logistical problem of Starfleet warp drive being too slow. The Federation either wants to make a deal with the Imperium so that their ships can have the Emperor's protection while traveling through the Warp too, or the Federation wants to reverse engineer Eldar webways.
  • Chaos. Not sure if there is any way for the Federation to deal with this.
They have even less of a chance of making friends with the Imperium than they have with most other factions.
  • The Eldar will work with you and screw you over practically on a coinflip, which is about as much as you can hope for in 40k. They're probably the most tolerable to Federation sensibilities as well. The Tau come second, but only because genocide isn't the Tau's first choice.
  • Orks will fight anything that fights back and loot anything that doesn't. The Federation's pacifistic leanings and firepower disadvantage might actually help keep them off the Ork radar in that regard, since their 'loot' doesn't look too zappy or 'splodey so won't be as interesting. I'd expect a scrap eventually though, it all comes down to how many Orks are in the area at the time, but they aren't likely to go looking.
  • Tyranids depend on where the nearest hive fleet is - trek medical tech will help mitigate the risk of genestealers, though the bugs things from TNG S1 slipped through, so that isn't ironclad. The fact their FTL and comms are unaffected makes responding and evacuating much easier. Once the system is evacuated, hello trilithium device, bye bye splinter fleet. Assuming they even need to. Given trek sensor range, they'll see the fleet years before it arrives in system.
  • Chaos is one of the few things that Starfleet might give a standing order to kill on sight.
  • Tau are slow and in the middle of nowhere, so if the Federation doesn't appear within a few sectors, no Tau. Otherwise they start by trading, the Tau start trying to push the greater good, the Federation keeps saying no and tensions begin to escalate.
  • Necrons, who knows. They might decide the new neighbours are intolerable and immediately start exterminating them, or maybe they'll notice there are more primates in the area than usual, before shrugging and going back to court politics. The Federation isn't the sort to poke isolationist polities too hard, so they might get left alone.

Assuming the Federation can survive the initial mayhem, the Imperium are not only dealing with a bunch of Xeno loving heretics, but they have an independent (somewhat) human polity that doesn't need the Imperium to get by. Consorting with Xenos is one thing, but giving humanity an example of successful humans who don't need the Imperium will be utterly intolerable. Once the Imperium at large finds out, they will make a point of destroying them for that reason alone. If they though they could assimilate them it would be one thing, but their values are too fundamentally different for that to be possible and they'll know that.

While trek!warp is slow, it's reliable and can still get you a few lightyears a day (popular estimates say ~4.15ly/day at warp 9). This will limit them to their immediate vicinity relatively speaking, but it will be enough for general contact with whoever the locals are. If it does come down to war, I'd be more concerned about the firepower disparity. Things like phase cloak will certainly help mitigate that. That said, it's unclear how well cloaking would work against 40k sensors (which can include literal psychics, which can bypass the latest and greatest Romulan cloaks). Luckily the powers most likely to fight them don't have a way to reliably hit something under phase cloak.
 

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Depends on what Necron dynasty is near them honestly.
Trazyn would probably just steal a whole bunch without them knowing because teleportation tech that is diffrent from trek.
And Trazyn.

The Silent king? Would be war because he is making humans into soulless husks.
 

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Would be better if it was the mirror universe Terran Empire the Federation is too nice for 40k but the Terran Empire could still come off as good guys considering how shitty 40k is.
 

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Federation would lose against the 40k galaxy as a whole, its too vast and too hostile, assuming they survived, what they would have to give up to survive, it wouldn't be them anymore. Anyway I suspect that they would be subverted by demons in short order, especially with how naive, bumbling and optimistic their science types tend to be, all of them really. They just aren't willing to fight in general until they have taken losses, which is too late in the 40k verse.
 

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Federation would lose against the 40k galaxy as a whole, its too vast and too hostile, assuming they survived, what they would have to give up to survive, it wouldn't be them anymore. Anyway I suspect that they would be subverted by demons in short order, especially with how naive, bumbling and optimistic their science types tend to be, all of them really. They just aren't willing to fight in general until they have taken losses, which is too late in the 40k verse.
It would have to be this version of the characters we know to have any hope of surviving tbh. Also I think steroid injections must be mandatory in the mirror universe because everyone is fucking jacked.

 

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It would have to be this version of the characters we know to have any hope of surviving tbh. Also I think steroid injections must be mandatory in the mirror universe because everyone is fucking jacked.

That looks like it should be less Mirror Universe Trek and more 80s action hero grade bullshit adventure Trek. Kirk always got the girl? Picard gets her and her sister. Shuttlecraft going to crash into a black hole? Geordie blows it up and rides the main deflector to safety. At least one bad guy per season gets his fucking heart ripped out, probably by Worf, but I guess Data could do it. Imagine season 1, but it's like an entire season's worth of Commando.
 
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If we are including all of old trek well that would also include the 29th Century Time War Era Federation. Who are literally Time Lords lite. They have bases that sit outside the flow of normal time. And are bigger on the inside than the outside. They are not a force 40K Forces should mess with. With no pesky treaties and need to hold back like in the Alpha and Beta Quadrant of their home universe. They can do some really scary things involving causality that will scare 40K factions. Aka your civilization no longer exists because we made a Negative Space wedgie that deleted you from all timelines.
 
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If we are including all of old trek well that would also include the 29th Century Time War Era Federation. Who are literally Time Lords lite. They have bases that sit outside the flow of normal time. And are bigger on the inside than the outside. They are not a force 40K Forces should mess with. With no pesky treaties and need to hold back like in the Alpha and Beta Quadrant of their home universe. They can do some really scary things involving causality that will scare 40K factions. Aka your civilization no longer exists because we made a Negative Space wedgie that deleted you from all timelines.
I forgot about those guys.
 

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I'm aware of what the warp is. I'm also aware of the myriad things that simply shut the warp down from Pylons to Blanks to Null Field Matrices to Blackstone to whatever the one Primarch who's completely immune has going on (Fans usually think it's Lion but the warp-immune Primarch's been named specifically that I'm aware of).

And we could fill ten hours of the Federation studying X weird anomaly and then adding it to their shields/disrupting it with the deflector dish/creating a perfect countermeasure, all in the space of minutes to hours. That's why I think the Warp won't really be a problem for them, there are lots and lots of countermeasures already in existence and the Federation has fair odds of duplicating that power as soon as they have time to study it.
Again, you are mistaking one-shot plot devices for standard performance.

Despite all their fuckery with transwarp, wormholes, slipstream and whateverwarp, the Federation is still unable to travel faster than Warp 9 and their weapons are decidedly inferior in power and quantity to what most Warhammer factions can dish out.

Their alleged tech prowless also didn't help them against the Klingons in Yesterday's Enterprise or the Dominion, where they simply could not make anything to adequately counter the enemy, even though they enemy had far less of a track record where pulling trchnobabbel saves out of their asses was concerned.


As to countering the Warp, well, the original Elder tried, the original Human federation from the Dark Age of technology also did not survive it, nor did Emps manage to counter it with the Imperial Truth.

Blackstone is far beyond anything the Federation can create, as it was made by the Necrons or other elder races, as we're those pylons.
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