SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

Hlaalu Agent

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It pretty much summed up as an ugly lingering chapter of the 20th Century. The Eugenics movement. It starts off small with things like people with disabilities need to be sterilized. Then it goes to we should gene select for optimal offspring. Then it goes to this social or racial class is superior to this group because of better genes. Then it leads to things like the Holocaust. Yeah we should value life and stamp out Eugenics whenever it's ugly head rears up. And when you do a deep dive Eugenics was very deep in the Abortion movement. And one of it's goals.

I wouldn't go that far, I think doing that would require clamping down on people's liberties. But otherwise I agree. And yes, they were deeply linked, pretty sure abortion was there in part to reduce the black population

What I love about the eugenics movement...is that so many of its proponents were so completely and utterly dysgenic themselves (I mean Jesus Christ the appalling physiognomy and crippling neurosis and drug addictions..) that it almost looked like the entire movement was created so a bunch of social parasites and spazzoids could militantly cope post IRL.View attachment 1373

This sort of thing happens a lot. I distinctly remember that meme, where a neonazi is near identical to the "sub-human" in a old nazi propaganda poster.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
This sort of thing happens a lot. I distinctly remember that meme, where a neonazi is near identical to the "sub-human" in a old nazi propaganda poster.

The founders of Nazism themselves were recreational drug using wealthy NEETs who wanted to explore mysticism and bang chicks without seeming like a bunch of reprobates.

And Hitler himself was the ur example of a mongrel, right down to possibly being illegitimate. Was also himself a wastrel and a druggie and a neopagan.
 

VictortheMonarch

Victor the Crusader
The founders of Nazism themselves were recreational drug using wealthy NEETs who wanted to explore mysticism and bang chicks without seeming like a bunch of reprobates.

And Hitler himself was the ur example of a mongrel, right down to possibly being illegitimate. Was also himself a wastrel and a druggie and a neopagan.
Worst yet he was a fuckin' jew himself! Well, he didn't believe in judaism, but was descent of jews.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
dude don't put that shit on us.

We already had to deal with the worst camping trip ever I think we have had enough of the fucker.

He was a fucking mutt, he was Slavic for sure if you believe Alois was really his father. That guy was like a caricature of what slavs and Romani looked like. If he had some Jewish DNA in that genetic leftovers in the pot style soup he called his heritage I wouldn't be surprised.

He was like the culmination of everything his Reich was supposed to exterminate.

Stalin too.

These self hating clowns always go for the genocide of their own.
 
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Hlaalu Agent

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There's a bit of that, I'll grant you; but I'd argue it's justified. I was a burden on my parents, and I failed to make something of myself in the end. They deserved something better than me, and I wish I could have given it to them.

Must have missed the edit. And reading this makes me actually feel more sympathy for you. I consideration of this admission, I feel like I have been too harsh on you and uncharitable- so I am sorry for this lack of charity or perhaps sympathy. I can empathize with not wanting to be a burden, it is one of my motivations for wanting to get my life in order- I don't want to be a burden on society, but rather a contributor.

No one should feel about themselves the way you do, I legitimately hope you can get this sorted out.
 

Terthna

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And I'd rather not have people have their lives taken, because their existence inconveniences others. This is just another way that human life is being devalued, and these days human life is plenty devalued.

So keep on killing your kids until you get what you want, got it. Pretty morally warped.

They don't have a right to exist, since they don't exist. It is patently absurd to claim this. Also, it seems that you are implying that a person with a serious disability has less right to exist than someone who is purely theoretical. Sounds pretty messed up to me. I mean, if we take your weak gotcha seriously, we'd have to treat every sperm as sacred.
Are you one of those people who want to outright ban abortion entirely, no exceptions? Because while I don't consider myself to be pro-Abortion, I can't agree with that position; there are just certain situations where, on balance, I feel it should be available as an option. You don't have to agree with me, but demonizing me isn't going to convince me that I'm wrong.

So we should practice infanticide, gotcha. And how do we define "broken", after all it is entirely relative. I am sure the Chinese parents who drowned their daughters (or coat-wired them or whatever twisted thing they did) would argue their daughters were "broken" in comparison to a son. The Spartans would consider any child without a certain vigour "broken". I could continue, but it would belabor the point. It is the same energy, wanting to dispose of your offspring because they don't meet an arbitrary measure.

I have no doubt that many people might have considered me "broken", due to having many problems in my childhood and actually being sickly at certain points. Yet, I turned out quite decently, better than many people without such problems. If you have your way, people like me would be snuffed out before we had the chance to actually live- all because someone decided we were broken. And, really, they had the choice and made it. If the natural results don't pan out the way they like, they cannot penalize another person because their gamble didn't pay off.
Don't be disingenuous; there's a massive difference between getting a child with a malformed brain and getting one that isn't the gender you'd prefer. Also I'm not arguing in favor of retractive abortion, as you seem to be suggesting.



You aren't dead yet, the clock's on your side. Do something about it, instead of advocating that millions be slaughtered because they might, maybe, one day use their affliction as justification to become a neet.
I may not be dead yet, but it's not like I didn't work my butt off trying. I just couldn't develop the social skills necessary to get ahead, and it turns out that scholastic achievements are worth absolutely nothing by themselves.



It pretty much summed up as an ugly lingering chapter of the 20th Century. The Eugenics movement. It starts off small with things like people with disabilities need to be sterilized. Then it goes to we should gene select for optimal offspring. Then it goes to this social or racial class is superior to this group because of better genes. Then it leads to things like the Holocaust. Yeah we should value life and stamp out Eugenics whenever it's ugly head rears up. And when you do a deep dive Eugenics was very deep in the Abortion movement. And one of it's goals.
So are you volunteering to take care of a low-functioning autistic child then? For their entire lifespan?
 

Sailor.X

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Are you one of those people who want to outright ban abortion entirely, no exceptions? Because while I don't consider myself to be pro-Abortion, I can't agree with that position; there are just certain situations where, on balance, I feel it should be available as an option. You don't have to agree with me, but demonizing me isn't going to convince me that I'm wrong.


Don't be disingenuous; there's a massive difference between getting a child with a malformed brain and getting one that isn't the gender you'd prefer. Also I'm not arguing in favor of retractive abortion, as you seem to be suggesting.




I may not be dead yet, but it's not like I didn't work my butt off trying. I just couldn't develop the social skills necessary to get ahead, and it turns out that scholastic achievements are worth absolutely nothing by themselves.




So are you volunteering to take care of a low-functioning autistic child then? For their entire lifespan?
You act like I don't have autistic and physically disabled people in my immediate family.. And when my mother was dying from cancer I was one of her care givers. So spare me your line of thinking. Been there and done that.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Are you one of those people who want to outright ban abortion entirely, no exceptions? Because while I don't consider myself to be pro-Abortion, I can't agree with that position; there are just certain situations where, on balance, I feel it should be available as an option. You don't have to agree with me, but demonizing me isn't going to convince me that I'm wrong.

Of course not, we should allow for medical exemptions. Sometimes you have to make compromises, if the alternative is worse.

It probably wouldn't, so I should try to be more chartable and not hold people's opinions against them. And maybe try to remember that nuance can be lost in these exchanges.

Don't be disingenuous; there's a massive difference between getting a child with a malformed brain and getting one that isn't the gender you'd prefer. Also I'm not arguing in favor of retractive abortion, as you seem to be suggesting.

I am not at all being disingenuous, the same logic applies in their case. A daughter won't take be able to take care of them when they are old, nor carry on their family name. A son can. To them a daughter is "broken" in that sense.

It certainly sounded like it to me. Again, it may just be a limitation of how we are communicating, but since I have every reason to trust you- I am sorry for misattributing this to you.

I may not be dead yet, but it's not like I didn't work my butt off trying. I just couldn't develop the social skills necessary to get ahead, and it turns out that scholastic achievements are worth absolutely nothing by themselves.

I can understand that, but there are options. Depending on the policies of your state, there should be job programs that could help you. Or there should be. I honestly wish I could give you real advice, because your situation objectively sucks.

But, yes, I can sympathize. Having difficulty with that myself.

So are you volunteering to take care of a low-functioning autistic child then? For their entire lifespan?

If that were the case, then opposing the death penalty would mean that you are volunteering to support criminals. Not wanting to kill something, doesn't imply any other duty to them. Though, honestly, I'd say we should care for them collectively. Well, collectively in the sense of society caring for its less fortunate members.
 

Simonbob

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In both China, under the One Child Policy, there were quite a few cases where they made sure the only kid they had was a boy, for cultural reasons, as well as the way that a boy is more useful around the farm, in the vast majority of times.

This, I'm told, was true even in backwater rural places, where they had no method of determining said kid's sex until it was born. The families in question would effectively abort said baby, if it was a girl, after it was born. After all, a "stillbirth" didn't count as a child under the Policy.

Even without the said policy, I heard similar stories in India, some of the poor rural families there.


Horrible? Yes. But, it's only because of how insanely rich we are, that we can think in terms of saving every life we can, including those who can never thank us for it.
 

Blasterbot

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In both China, under the One Child Policy, there were quite a few cases where they made sure the only kid they had was a boy, for cultural reasons, as well as the way that a boy is more useful around the farm, in the vast majority of times.

This, I'm told, was true even in backwater rural places, where they had no method of determining said kid's sex until it was born. The families in question would effectively abort said baby, if it was a girl, after it was born. After all, a "stillbirth" didn't count as a child under the Policy.

Even without the said policy, I heard similar stories in India, some of the poor rural families there.


Horrible? Yes. But, it's only because of how insanely rich we are, that we can think in terms of saving every life we can, including those who can never thank us for it.
if we were poor we would want even more kids because the kids would add to the amount of labor a household can produce. older kids help take care of younger kids. as they grow they can take on more responsibility around the house. every kid helps provide a safety net for their parents as they age out of the work force. it takes a government mandate to force or incentivize the poor into making such horrific decisions.
 

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Sergeant Foley

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What I love about the eugenics movement...is that so many of its proponents were so completely and utterly dysgenic themselves (I mean Jesus Christ the appalling physiognomy and crippling neurosis and drug addictions..) that it almost looked like the entire movement was created so a bunch of social parasites and spazzoids could militantly cope post IRL.View attachment 1373
I am 100% Pro-Life.
 

Sergeant Foley

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As far as Im concerned let it burn, its going to suck a lot of people will die, churches will be attacked and people might be murdered as they pray, but if that's what it takes to get the grill bois and soccer moms to finally give a shit then so be it. The die has been cast.
Schumer opened the door to this bullshit.
 

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