Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

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Rusty Shackleford said:
What do you define as 'support' because I have a feeling you're using a giant umbrella term here.
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The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made

Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine's regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
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Churkin: US behind Ukraine crisis after investing $5bn in 'regime change'

The US is to blame for the events in Ukraine as it invested $5 billion in regime change in the country, taking a more radical stance that its EU allies, Vitaly Churkin, Russia’s envoy to the UN, said.
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Agent23 said:
He is actually in Ukraine, has been living there for years.
I take his view over yours.
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It is not about how well he knows Ukraine or how well I do. It's about fog of war. Nobody is 100% accurate, no matter how hard they are trying. I don't care if Russia's "strategy" is to be completely honest for the first time in history (lol). It's impossible. He is bullshitting.
 
Agent23 said:
truthout.org

The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made

Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine's regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
truthout.org truthout.org
www.rt.com

Churkin: US behind Ukraine crisis after investing $5bn in 'regime change'

The US is to blame for the events in Ukraine as it invested $5 billion in regime change in the country, taking a more radical stance that its EU allies, Vitaly Churkin, Russia’s envoy to the UN, said.
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I wanted your definition and not a link to some RTV article...
 
Rusty Shackleford said:
I wanted your definition and not a link to some RTV article...
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Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible US mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”


Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, who pushed for the Ukraine coup and helped pick the post-coup leaders.

To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the US-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts.
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Pretty much what that fat pig did.
 
Ghost of Kiev . . .

Do you know why they call him that?

Because that's what he is, a ghost.

Ivano-Frankivsk Airbase was devastated by Russian missile attacks from the offset.





Ukrainian air force was MOSTLY destroyed in the 1st or 2nd day, as per Russian reports.

But not completely destroyed. I only counted 27 MiG-29s parked there.

Ukrainians have 37 operational. Which means another 10 are unaccounted for.
 
ShadowArxxy said:
The only Panzers that reached Normandy on D-Day itself were the 21st Panzer Division. . . which was pretty much annihilated in short order, losing 70 of their 124 tanks. They did prevent the British from taking Caen, but utterly failed to "drive the invasion into the sea". Rommel's other two Panzer divisions, the 2nd and the 116th, were held north of the Seine specifically to respond to Calais, and thus were too far away and out of the equation entirely. The 2nd SS, 9th Panzer, and 11th Panzer were also out of the equation, having been reassigned to Army Group G in southern France. And the four remaining Panzer divisions of Panzergruppe West -- the 1st SS, 12th SS, 17th SS Panzergrenadier and Panzer Lehr -- were held as reserves that could only be released by order of Wehrmacht Supreme Headquarters

Thus, Rommel's fundamental defensive plan of having all ten Panzer divisions in the theater stationed for an immediate and decisive counter-attack was made impossible. While Supreme Headquarters did release the Panzergruppe West reserves, "quickly followed" is totally inaccurate -- the orders came late and 12th SS was the only reserve unit to arrive on D-Day, and even then only the lead elements arrived by nightfall. Despite being one of the first to move, Panzer Lehr was not fully in position until the 9th. 2nd SS was ordered to Normandy immediately, but it too took days to arrive. 17th SS arrived on the 11th, 2nd Panzer on the 12th, 1st SS days after that.

The Panzer divisions were able to inflict significant delays and losses on the Allies, but the war was fundamentally lost to Germany by the afternoon of D-Day.
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Lets look at the actual dispositions and states.

Germany had only four operational Panzer Divisions on June 6 in Northern France, the rest were refitting after getting mauled on the Ost Front. 3 of those Divisions were close to Normandy. But due to Allied air and naval supremacy, could not mass up.

2nd SS had just finished refitting in the south where another landing would later be carried out.

The entire Fortitude narrative thus falls apart and is utter bunk. The Allies quite simply used their overwhelming air power to tear apart the French Transport Network and utilized their vast Navy to hit in overwhelming force at a key point that they could support with ample naval gunfire. Germany simply could not concentrate enough mobile reserves in any meaningful way.

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BlackDragon98 said:
Ghost of Kiev . . .

Do you know why they call him that?

Because that's what he is, a ghost.
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That story was so fake anyone could see it for what it was from miles around.
And yet people on here still post links to people who find it credible.
BlackDragon98 said:
Ukrainians have 37 operational. Which means another 10 are unaccounted for.
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Well, one defected to Romania, so, 9?
 
Chiron said:
Back to the Topic:

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Not an expert here, but shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more hole, and less smoke?

This kinda looks more like an internal fire than a big piece of ordnance hitting the building.

Misfiring Ukrainian AA shown earlier caused a lot more damage.
 
Wargamer08 said:
Maybe the round penatrated the outer wall and blew up inside?
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The smoke is coning from two, maybe three floors.

It must have penetrated at least 3 slabs of prefab panel in that case and IMO shoulc have done more damange on the way in.

EDIT:

Similar building materials, this is after a terrorist bombing in Moscow(INB4 I see the Ukrainians saying it is from Kiev).
Durability isn't exactly a hallmark of these plattenbau apartment blocks.

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BlackDragon98 said:
Ghost of Kiev . . .

Do you know why they call him that?

Because that's what he is, a ghost.

Ivano-Frankivsk Airbase was devastated by Russian missile attacks from the offset.





Ukrainian air force was MOSTLY destroyed in the 1st or 2nd day, as per Russian reports.

But not completely destroyed. I only counted 27 MiG-29s parked there.

Ukrainians have 37 operational. Which means another 10 are unaccounted for.
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10 out of 37, interesting number.
The big question is, which 10? Because UAF was always known to have terrible readiness levels. Perhaps they got a bit better since 2014, 25-30% of them being more or less flyable sounds about right. So there is a good chance it was local hangar queens\part donors that got destroyed, while more valuable planes were hidden with more care.
 
Marduk said:
10 out of 37, interesting number.
The big question is, which 10? Because UAF was always known to have terrible readiness levels. Perhaps they got a bit better since 2014, 25-30% sounds about right. So there is a good chance it was local hangar queens\part donors that got destroyed, while more valuable planes were hidden with more care.
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Perhaps the Ghost Of Kiev has a secret layer in a cave under the Pechersk Lavra and they are hidden there.
 
Marduk said:
2/10 for effort, you need to step up your joke game.
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And you need to learn to read.
One of their alleged 10 operational aircraft was accounted for in Romania, pilot desertion.

Also, I have a personal rule of thumb about equipment in the former eastern block.

If it is under a tarp, and/or otherwise not visible and subject to closer inspection but still on the inventory and still eating up resources in some way it is probably permanently out of order and some of the staff have been quietly dismantling it to sell off for scrap.
 
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