Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

[Husky_Khan]

Iranians are protesting against the Putin Regime and his war in the Ukraine outside of the Ukrainian Embassy in Tehran which is a bit dangerous considering Iran has been supportive of Putin's claims and aggression in Ukraine.



A Russian military column reportedly moving East from positions in Southern Ukraine near Crimea towards Mariupol, the Ukrainian controlled city on the Sea of Azov just beyond the Donbass frontlines.



Some snap analysis on the shift of Russian tactics in the past 24 hours in targeting more and more civilian infrastructure.



And another vehicle first in this conflict. The first BMD-4M, a lightweight armored vehicle that is air deployable by Russian Paratrooper/VDV forces has been destroyed in hostile action.



Convenient beer bottle branding...

 

[WolfBear]

First you claimed this was only about Donbass, then you claimed it just wasn't going to happen, and when the "peacekeeping force got sent in, you tried to play it off as "not really Ukraine" and that an invasion of Ukraine proper wouldn't happen, and now that it has, you're trying to pretend that it isn't even a real country. Disgusting. Shameful. You're acting exactly like a leftist who is not only shifting the goalpost, but literally laughing at the suffering of others and justifying it any way you can, including declaring them to be Nazis.

Yeah, FWIW, I personally think that the only legitimate Russian war aims here should have been the liberation of the entire Donbass (for economic reasons) and the conquest of parts of Kherson Oblast in order to allow water to resume flowing for the Crimean Canal.

I think a lot of people want to forget/ignore the way this all started with Maidan, and that the West was not innocent there.

Rallying around condemning/hating on Russia is a lot easier than admitting the rebels had legit greivences with Kiev and it's not all Putin's propaganda, even if Russia should not have invaded.

The Maidan was a response to Yanukovych's authoritarianism and physical abuse of peaceful protesters.

 

[Abhorsen]

Attacking another country is wrong, but what counts as an attack? Sending troops in is obvious, but what about supporting a violent coup to overthrow the legitimate government, in order to replace them with your own puppets; who, incidentally, treat the people of said country worse than those they overthrew did? I'd argue that's an attack as well, which means Russia isn't doing anything in Ukraine that America and Europe didn't already do themselves in 2014.

One wrong does not justify another, but also, again, I have no issue with coups with significant popular support. Second, he was actually impeached by the elected congress, so this was a democratic exchange of power. People seem to forget that. You are also forgetting that Russia invaded then too.

"My country, right or wrong" is for fools; I'm not going to back the establishment who controls my country, and considers people like me "undesirables", in a fight that they started. Because honestly? It doesn't matter who wins; both sides want to destroy America.

Agreed. But that's if you toss morality.

At the same time, I'm for America because it's the one true beacon of freedom in the world. Attacked from all sides, it continues nonetheless, and I will fight for it to continue into the future. For all the doom and gloom, America has been getting freer over all clearly up until 2000, and even despite setbacks, other parts of America have become freer overtime because of technology outpacing regulation. So yes, I want America to do well because it is the only country that actually cares deeply about freedom, and that's an important value to me.

So given a war is happening, I'll support the side that got attacked (Ukraine), and barring that, I'll support the side (Ukraine again!) whose success helps the only country that cares about liberty.

That it was so close was all the reason more to defend it, right now it looks like the country is going to be lost in a week. That is crazy impressive compared to many modern conflicts. I know you're not a fan of Russia but let's be honest here.

No, I'm disappointed here. I had a frankly higher expectation of Russia's capabilities. Seriously, they haven't even gotten to the Urban combat in Kiev yet. Like I'd understand going door to door in a city is difficult and takes time. But they are still on the outskirts 3-4 days in. That's frankly underwhelming.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah, FWIW, I personally think that the only legitimate Russian war aims here should have been the liberation of the entire Donbass (for economic reasons) and the conquest of parts of Kherson Oblast in order to allow water to resume flowing for the Crimean Canal.

The Maidan was a response to Yanukovych's authoritarianism and physical abuse of peaceful protesters.

Mainstream YouTuber Real Life Lore actually pointed out the energy reserves located in the Donbass Region... just out of reach of the poor unfortunate Donbass Seperatists.



I don't know why NATO placed those energy reserves there but it's destabilized the region.

It's actually a pretty good video overall. Talks about the pipelines, the Crimean Water Crisis, the precursor War with Georgia, how Belarus could be threatened if Ukraine joined NATO, Russia's Demographic Crisis so to speak etc.

The script was also clearly written right before the Invasion began but after Putin declared the Donetsk and Luhansk Regions Independent.

 

[Captain X]

Another thing I'm going to keep bringing up is that Putin has threatened nuclear war over this.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

Right Sector paraphenelia found in Donbass

Rudenko
The positions of the 53rd Brigade were seized near Novognativka, where the backbone consisted of nationalists of the right sector.
https://vk.com/video505326778_456254662?list=756e50ecd4e4fcaacc

 

[Chiron]

No, it very much didn't. The Germans put armies defending both Calais and Normandy (already a win, as it split forces), and the forces defending Normandy were the more unreliable conscripts (as famously alluded to by the 'German' trying to surrender in Saving Private Ryan) with more unreliable forces. On top of this, the 15th Army was delayed by staying in Calais to fight off another landing (which never appeared, cause that was part of the deception).

Not born out by the actual German Combat deployments. 3 of 4 available Panzer Divisions were at or close to Normandy by D-Day and the bulk of reinforcements and the reserve stocks quickly followed once the landing was confirmed and sucked into fighting the British who took on the bulk of the Panzerwaffe of OB West.

15th Army sent much of its strength as reinforcements to Normandy as well. And they kept vital lines of communication open while denying them to the Allies.

But ultimately the bulk of the German Strength was on the Ost Front and they lacked sufficient reserves. So the outcome could only go one way.

They got to Kyiv day one. Kyiv is really close to Belarus, so it's not actually that far away. That it's held up for a few days is frankly shocking. But that seems to be because of incompetence on Russia's part and competence on Ukraine's part (8 years of US military training helps a shitton).

Not really, as Ukraine's best troops were located in the Capital and Russia's plan was to lure them out via double feints with the VDV. Partially worked, but Ukraine grew wise. We're also assuming the capital was the main advance to begin with.

Also the Ukrainians trained the US, not the other way around as US troops experiences fighting the Taliban and 3rd World Militia meant they forgot how to fight 1st World Armies that can jam their communications and have effective air defenses.

The fact is, both Russia and Ukraine have professional armies, use essentially the same equipment, and have essentially the same playbooks, and are thus engaging in an attritional war of maneuver. It is possible to make every correct decision and still lose after all.

Again, a reminder that the US took three weeks to cause the Iraqi Military to collapse in 2003 and was having difficulties keeping units supplied.

So on the whole, the Russians are actually doing far better while using less firepower and primarily Cat B Divisions from the Eastern Military Districts.

 

[Bassoe]

From my perspective, y'all have just gone nuts. I don't know what it is about this situation that has made you decide to support Putin in his conquest of former Soviet satellite states, other than that at least some of you seem to have it in your head that Putin is against the WEF and the globalists in the US/Canada and Europe, and this seems to make it so that he can do no wrong. I hate to break it to you, but Russia is hardly a beacon of truth and freedom - one need only look at how they are treating their own protestors to see this, which made the Canadian situation all the more hilarious thanks to the hypocrites in charge there. So even if Putin and his government is anti-WEF, this does not translate into him being on our side, and thus your struggle to make excuses for him and his government's actions is entirely pointless.

We’re not pro-Putin, we’re anti-nuclear apocalypse. IE, the plausible outcome of “intervention“.

 

[Terthna]

I think a lot of people want to forget/ignore the way this all started with Maidan, and that the West was not innocent there.

Rallying around condemning/hating on Russia is a lot easier than admitting the rebels had legit greivences with Kiev and it's not all Putin's propaganda, even if Russia should not have invaded.

It's also a decent distraction from the west's precipitous decline as of late, and let's them indulge in a fantasy of good guys versus bad guys.

One wrong does not justify another, but also, again, I have no issue with coups with significant popular support. Second, he was actually impeached by the elected congress, so this was a democratic exchange of power. People seem to forget that. You are also forgetting that Russia invaded then too.

I didn't forget; you forgot that Crimea and Donbass invited them. Because their government had been overthrown. As for the impeachment, there were a lot of things that was fishy about it; not least of which being the fact that it didn't receive enough votes to actually pass, instead falling ten votes short. They just decided to impeach him anyways because "reasons", in clear violation of their own constitution.

Agreed. But that's if you toss morality.

At the same time, I'm for America because it's the one true beacon of freedom in the world. Attacked from all sides, it continues nonetheless, and I will fight for it to continue into the future. For all the doom and gloom, America has been getting freer over all clearly up until 2000, and even despite setbacks, other parts of America have become freer overtime because of technology outpacing regulation. So yes, I want America to do well because it is the only country that actually cares deeply about freedom, and that's an important value to me.

So given a war is happening, I'll support

That's your prerogative; personally, I just don't agree with your assessment of the situation. If anything, it's my morality that demands I hold the position that I do.

Another thing I'm going to keep bringing up is that Putin has threatened nuclear war over this.

So did Hillary back in 2016. All our world leaders seem to have forgotten that nuclear war is something to be feared, and not something you should threaten on a whim.

 

[Husky_Khan]

We’re not pro-Putin, we’re anti-nuclear apocalypse. IE, the plausible outcome of “intervention“.

Why do people keep bringing up "Intervention" again? No NATO troops are fighting for Ukraine and no one has pledged they will.

 

[Floridaman]

Why do people keep bringing up "Intervention" again? No NATO troops are fighting for Ukraine and no one has pledged they will.

Possibly because there are those in the media who keep calling for it, for instance I had the misfortune of listening to cnn earlier.

and in other news, what did the director of Gazprom know about Hillary Clinton.
edit: seems gab won’t show the tweet, one moment.

𝖂𝖍𝖎𝖙𝖊 𝕽𝖆𝖇𝖇𝖎𝖙 on Gab: 'According to MarketRebels, Gazprom's CFO committe…'

𝖂𝖍𝖎𝖙𝖊 𝕽𝖆𝖇𝖇𝖎𝖙 on Gab: 'According to MarketRebels, Gazprom's CFO committed suicide. @wokeinteldrops'

gab.com

second edit: seems that report that gazproms director an heroed himself might have been mistaken... or knowing geopolitics premature.

UPDATE: Widespread Reports That Gazprom's 'financial Director' Died of Suicide Are Not ... - Latest Tweet by The Spectator Index | 🌎 LatestLY

The latest Tweet by The Spectator Index states, 'UPDATE: Widespread reports that Gazprom's 'financial director' died of suicide are not accurate.' 🌎 UPDATE: Widespread Reports That Gazprom's 'financial Director' Died of Suicide Are Not ... - Latest Tweet by The Spectator Index.

www.latestly.com

 

[Floridaman]

We’re not pro-Putin, we’re anti-nuclear apocalypse. IE, the plausible outcome of “intervention“.

Ohh I don’t know, at times the mushroom cloud looks appealing.

 

[Captain X]

We’re not pro-Putin, we’re anti-nuclear apocalypse. IE, the plausible outcome of “intervention“.

Oh, so you'll let yourself be bullied by someone continually, since they know it can work with you. I mean, it's not like we can see how that's turned out time and time again throughout history or anything.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Oh, so you'll let yourself be bullied by someone continually, since they know it can work with you. I mean, it's not like we can see how that's turned out time and time again throughout history or anything.

Unless he's from Ukraine he isnt letting himself be bullied by anyone. NATO will act when NATO is threatened.

 

[Husky_Khan]

More Tweets from the unreliable ether.

Some abandoned Russian equipment including Grad MLRS vehicles. The lower tweet is supposedly from Kherson near Crimea and shows at least one abandoned Russian Armored vehicle.



An Oil Depot burning in the Donbass Region. There's another burning near Kiev reportedly as well.



Conflicting reports on whether Belarus was willing to have nuclear weapons stationed in it's territory.



Several local accounts stating this is the quietest night in Kyiv so far.



Starlink Internet Service now available in Ukraine according to Elon Musk himself...

 

[Free-Stater 101]

More Tweets from the unreliable ether.

Some abandoned Russian equipment including Grad MLRS vehicles. The lower tweet is supposedly from Kherson near Crimea and shows at least one abandoned Russian Armored vehicle.



An Oil Depot burning in the Donbass Region. There's another burning near Kiev reportedly as well.



Conflicting reports on whether Belarus was willing to have nuclear weapons stationed in it's territory.



Several local accounts stating this is the quietest night in Kyiv so far.



Starlink Internet Service now available in Ukraine according to Elon Musk himself...

Abandoned armoured vehicles? Anyone up for crowdfunding a retrieval on GoFundMe?

 

[Zachowon]

Abandoned armoured vehicles? Anyone up for crowdfunding a retrieval on GoFundMe?

We have been making that hoke in my unit for awhile

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

GiveSendGo has a fundraiser "defend Ukraine", which I actually donated a bit of my money in it.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

Confirmation that Ukrainian Airfields were indeed hit .



Ukrainian politician trying to get in Russian good graces, goes on interview with Russian radio host:

 

[Floridaman]

Confirmation that Ukrainian Airfields were indeed hit .

Well probable I can’t make out any insignia on the planes.