Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

[BlackDragon98]

81% of civilian casualties were on the Rebel side.

Ukraine started this when they repeated violated the Minsk accords they begged for.

Conflict-related civilian casualties as of 31 December 2021 (rev 27 January 2022) corr EN_0.pdf (un.org)

EDIT: thought this wasn't true because it's the Jimmy Dore show and it's pretty partisan but I'm pretty sure the Russians haven't seized control of the UN.

 

[Floridaman]

EDIT: thought this wasn't true because it's the Jimmy Dore show and it's pretty partisan but I'm pretty sure the Russians haven't seized control of the UN.

Nah the Russians can’t afford the bribes controlling the UN is more China’s thing.

 

[Agent23]

Some international stuff...

A crowd in Dublin, Ireland confronting the car of Russian diplomats outside the Russian Consulate. This occurred yesterday.



Later on it was announced Ireland was removing all Visa requirements for the Ukrainians due to this conflict.

Visa requirements between Ukraine and Ireland lifted with immediate effect - Irish America

“We stand in solidarity with Ukraine and its people and will, working with our partners in the European Union, play our part in assisting them in their time of need. […]

www.irishamerica.com

Portugal has also offered free housing and other assistance for Ukrainian refugees and condemning Putin and his aggressive actions.

Portugal’s estate agents unite to create national database for free housing for refugee Ukrainians - Portugal Resident

Property sales professionals uniting efforts to create database pinpointing properties to shelter Ukrainian families fleeing the war.

www.portugalresident.com

Czech Republic is pledging munitions and weapons to Ukraine and even to transport it to Ukraine supposedly.



Germany has also decided to do an about face, breaking its pledge to not offer lethal aid after previously allegedly stating to the Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany: “You Ukrainians have only a few hours left. There is no point in helping you now."



And finally a story about a Mom doing the Mom thing rescuing children and bringing them to safety in Hungary.

At the Ukrainian border, a mother brings a stranger's children to safety

Clutching a mobile phone number of a woman she had never met, Nataliya Ableyeva crossed the border from Ukraine into Hungary on Saturday, entrusted with a precious cargo.

www.reuters.com

Well Kazakhstan can always state they weren't asked or whatever.

Let us open the floodgates and give more free shit to migrants that will drive prices even higher, with some stealing jobs, because the Media said so.
Morons!

I hope the Czechs and the Krauts remember this day when the economic sanctions and countersanctions hit.


Got any more MSM dreck?

 

[Zachowon]

The point that caused me to disregard all western libfash media is when the 13 heroes of snake island turned out to be 82 rational thinkers who surrendered after talking shit for less than a minute.

That fake audio clip was actually somewhat convincing . . . Until the Russian released footage of the 82 POWs.

Except we still have reports of various degrees.
We had reports Ukrain occupied it AGAIN, after the bombardment, which we knew happend as it was caught on stream.
Why did it take so long for the Russians to have video proof? Because it was most likely the Ukrainians sent to take back the island they captured.

Tweet time.


This thread is really good explanation on why Russia is doing horribly

 

[Agent23]

It's fine to be critical, others had critiques of substance, but you've been gaslighting for the previous weeks leading up to this Invasion that hasn't come and now your opinions are so forced and artificial that it's literally predictable what your take on anything tangentially related to this issue is regarding anything going against your narrow minded narrative of reality.

I told you, I underestimated Zelenski's stupidity.

Also, you have just been regurgitating MSM twatter crap and Ukrainian propaganda, so at worst it is a pot calling the kettle black.

 

[King Arts]

Handing out automatic weapons and ammo to any untrained rando.
Putting howitzers and other heavy equipment in heavily populated areas.
Telling people to lob molotovs at the Russians.
Conscripting every man between 18 and 60 and causing a refugee crisis because most people do not want to fight for the corrupt, braindead regime.
Who is gonna win, the kid with the AK and the molotov and the 0 training, or the squad of spetsnaz with the IFVs and the tank column behind them.

All that is done as a source of war porn for the piece of garbage clown to use for propaganda and emotional blackmail targeted at the west.

That does not mean evil. It just means desperate throwing everything to halt the Russian advance. Unless you’d rather be just surrender and kiss Tear Putins ass. If he left the country and did that and expected people to keep fighting that is evil and selfish. But if he is committed to Ukraine independence and willing to be with his people that is another thing.

 

[Bacle]

So the photo's of Zelenski in kit are from last April, and the photo of him having tea with troops was from before the invasion.

It seems he may not even be in Kiev, but in Lviv, which seems to counter what some Ukrainian accounts suggest.

Lots of bad info flying from both sides.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Let us open the floodgates and give more free shit to migrants that will drive prices even higher, with some stealing jobs, because the Media said so.

Morons!
I hope the Czechs and the Krauts remember this day when the economic sanctions and countersanctions hit.

Got any more MSM dreck?

I told you, I underestimated Zelenski's stupidity.

Also, you have just been regurgitating MSM twatter crap and Ukrainian propaganda, so at worst it is a pot calling the kettle black.

If you keep reacting like this, then I'll be more than happy to encourage you continuing to engage in this kind of behavior.

Lithuania has denied Russia use of their airspace, ending direct flights to the Kalinigrad Enclave.



Russian Airlines have been suspended from operating in a growing swath of European airspace while Western carriers like Lufthansa are suspending flights to Russia.





Kremlin is so triggered they, like you, have banned the use of the term 'Invasion' from their vocabulary.



And I'll just post this one as pure bait regarding Turkey and the "Ban" on Russian Warships.

Ukraine’s Zelenskyy thanks Erdogan for Turkey’s unconfirmed Black Sea warship ban

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy thanked President Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday for Turkey's humanitarian and military support, saying a “ban on the

english.alarabiya.net

 

[Arlos]

Lots of bad info flying from both sides.

That’s war, I learned to temporise from the Armenian-Azerbaidjan war, I honestly tought Armenia was winning right until the end….

 

[Agent23]

That does not mean evil. It just means desperate throwing everything to halt the Russian advance. Unless you’d rather be just surrender and kiss Tear Putins ass. If he left the country and did that and expected people to keep fighting that is evil and selfish. But if he is committed to Ukraine independence and willing to be with his people that is another thing.

Sending untrained people to be slaughtered is not evil, especially when they have no chance in hell to do anything?

If that is not evil, then what is?

 

[Agent23]

If you keep reacting like this, then I'll be more than happy to encourage you continuing to engage in this kind of behavior.

Lithuania has denied Russia use of their airspace, ending direct flights to the Kalinigrad Enclave.



Russian Airlines have been suspended from operating in a growing swath of European airspace while Western carriers like Lufthansa are suspending flights to Russia.





Kremlin is so triggered they, like you, have banned the use of the term 'Invasion' from their vocabulary.



And I'll just post this one as pure bait regarding Turkey and the "Ban" on Russian Warships.

Ukraine’s Zelenskyy thanks Erdogan for Turkey’s unconfirmed Black Sea warship ban

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy thanked President Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday for Turkey's humanitarian and military support, saying a “ban on the

english.alarabiya.net

1) Excellent news for Asian carriers, as they will soon be the only people that can fly over Russia.

2) Lol, sure, MSM gibberish.

3) What, the Bosphorous blockade again? That is officially confirmed as debunked MSM gibberish.

 

[Terthna]

No, I'm just ignoring what I see as pro-Russian bullshit. I seem to recall that accusation of them being Nazis being somewhat entertaining as their leader is Jewish. In any case, the accusation gets thrown around so freely that my default assumption is that anyone accused of it probably isn't. Also, this does not in any way clear Russia of not interfering in Ukraine prior to their invasion of it.

In other words, your personal bias against Putin and Russia makes it impossible to convince you of anything that paints them in a positive light, or justifies their actions.

 

[Husky_Khan]

That’s war, I learned to temporise from the Armenian-Azerbaidjan war, I honestly tought Armenia was winning right until the end….

One of the things about the Armenian-Azeri War is that a lot of the Azeri Strategy wasn't really revealed until the very end. I remember the thread and open source accounts, even the pro-Azeri ones... they were all showing the flashy use of suicide drones and TB2 drones (keep in mind back then lots of us weren't even sure if the new Turkish drones were suicide drones or not in the beginning lol) and how Azeri forces were getting ambushed by prepared Armenian defenders.

But a whole dimension of the conflict was missing from drone strikes and prepared ambushes which both had reams of video.

How we know now that the Azeris engaged in widespread infiltration of that region with special forces which played havoc in Armenian rear areas, villages and other locations, bypassing and ultimately compromising the heavily fortified Armenian border areas. No one was live streaming or taking cell phone or drone footage of that stuff.

 

[Arlos]

One of the things about the Armenian-Azeri War is that a lot of the Azeri Strategy wasn't really revealed until the very end. I remember the thread and open source accounts, even the pro-Azeri ones... they were all showing the flashy use of suicide drones and TB2 drones (keep in mind back then lots of us weren't even sure if the new Turkish drones were suicide drones or not in the beginning lol) and how Azeri forces were getting ambushed by prepared Armenian defenders.

But a whole dimension of the conflict was missing from drone strikes and prepared ambushes which both had reams of video.

How we know now that the Azeris engaged in widespread infiltration of that region with special forces which played havoc in Armenian rear areas, villages and other locations, bypassing and ultimately compromising the heavily fortified Armenian border areas. No one was live streaming or taking cell phone or drone footage of that stuff.

I suspect it’s going to be even worse this time, since all side are actually applying disinformation tactics like crazy.

 

[Husky_Khan]

In other words, your personal bias against Putin and Russia makes it impossible to convince you of anything that paints them in a positive light, or justifies their actions.

TBF I think that's more of an Agent23 bias. He's a terrible spokesperson for his point of view. Like Butch R. Mann and Agent23 seem to be in "general" agreement in regards to the Ukraine situation as skeptics but Butch R. Mann doesn't engage in the edgelord posting, kneejerk histrionics, barely veiled racism and ethnocentrism, engaging in doublethink, countering evidence and substantial points with loudly typed opinions, engaging in numerous strawmen, red herrings and numerous derails, whining about Nazis, basing his opinions of everyone based on their nationality while cowardly hiding his own, and didn't spend the weeks leading up to this war posting skeleton memes of how this Invasion would never happen.

I am living in fear of him stating I don't get his "sarcasm" this time around and bringing up the Mexican War again though.

 

[King Arts]

Sending untrained people to be slaughtered is not evil, especially when they have no chance in hell to do anything?

If that is not evil, then what is?

I mean it’s sometimes a thing the Soviets did it against the Nazis, and Nazis against Soviets at the end.

 

[Chiron]

More confirmation Snake Island was bullshit.

 

[Floridaman]

I suspect it’s going to be even worse this time, since all side are actually applying disinformation tactics like crazy.

Worse, it also has the interest of the media, who naturally are shitting on everything

 

[Terthna]

Is this guy Swedish or something?
Must be butthurt because Peter the Great stuck his mighty Russian hand down the throat of their Empire and turned it inside-out, then used it as a skipping rope.
Glad I blocked him, although the tomboy pics thread was kinda nice.

I have no idea, but usually he's far more reasonable; just goes to show what too much emotional investment can do to a person's ability to rationally judge a situation.

TBF I think that's more of an Agent23 bias. He's a terrible spokesperson for his point of view. Like Butch R. Mann and Agent23 seem to be in "general" agreement in regards to the Ukraine situation as skeptics but Butch R. Mann doesn't engage in the edgelord posting, kneejerk histrionics, barely veiled racism and ethnocentrism, engaging in doublethink, countering evidence and substantial points with loudly typed opinions, engaging in numerous strawmen, red herrings and numerous derails, whining about Nazis, basing his opinions of everyone based on their nationality while cowardly hiding his own, and didn't spend the weeks leading up to this war posting skeleton memes of how this Invasion would never happen.

He's been acting like a dick to me too though, rejecting everything I've had to say about the subject out of hand, and I'm fairly certain I haven't done any of those things either.

 

[Arlos]

Worse, it also has the interest of the media, who naturally are shitting on everything

Their involvement is a net negative to information quality.