Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

The head of Roscosmos is threatening to destabilize the International Space Station in response to sanctions... opining what could happen if a five hundred ton space station drops on Europe or the United States (but later also adds China or India) so it doesn't sound so much like a brazen Act of War or Crime Against Humanity he's endorsing.



Operation british? They gonna roll out the Zakus?
 
The head of Roscosmos is threatening to destabilize the International Space Station in response to sanctions... opining what could happen if a five hundred ton space station drops on Europe or the United States (but later also adds China or India) so it doesn't sound so much like a brazen Act of War or Crime Against Humanity he's endorsing.



So on an unrelated note did we ever get passenger rockets back for nasa because last I heard we still rented room with the russians.
 
The head of Roscosmos is threatening to destabilize the International Space Station in response to sanctions... opining what could happen if a five hundred ton space station drops on Europe or the United States (but later also adds China or India) so it doesn't sound so much like a brazen Act of War or Crime Against Humanity he's endorsing.



Empty threat. No way they'd do it. Even if they tried it would never hit. It'd disintegrate in the atmosphere and/or miss. The ISS is not aerodynamic.
I'd be more worried about deliberately induced/weaponized kessler syndrome, if only since the ISS isn't that massive and considering the expense, single-shot nature and obviousness, would make an impractical weapon, especially when compared with conventional missiles.
 
More Twitter stuff, take lightly.

As morning breaks it looks like Russian tanks moving out from Chernobyl are engaged in fighting roughly halfway to Ukraine.



The Russian advance has been halted at Chernigov for the moment.



Russians Israelis are demonstrating in front of the Russian Consulate in Tel Aviv, some are burning their passports.



One of the Ukranian held towns in the Donbass has been blasted by Russian artillery.



Sean Penn has been deployed to Kiev. Peace is inevitable now.

 
I really did not realize how bad Ukraines geographic position actually is with Belarus taken into account, so used to thinking in terms of a Donbass region fight.

You only really have one major town to the left and right between Kiev and the Belarusian boarder, and both paths are less than 200 km from Belarus to Kiev. And since Belarus lets you attack on both sides of the river, it turns Kiev from a potential strong point difficult to flank thanks to the river, to potentially making it easier to be encircled and cut off.

And encircling Kiev does not look like it might be all that difficult, with Kiev just not physically being all that large looking at it: A full box of the urban area is about 100 km long front for complete encirclement of an area about 500 square km. A fairly strong perimeter could be maintained with about 10,000 men (100 per km), though of course you'd want more/a reserve to respond to major breakout points/troop rotations.

If they can keep of their current suggested rate of advance according to Livemap they could be encircling Kiev today or tomorrow, and if they need to encircle and move on, bottling up the garrison in Kiev (depending on the garrison size) could require a relatively small force proportional to the Russian/Belarus forces available.

And if Kiev is captured or even falls, the Ukrainian logistical situation looks like it would implode, at least from the bird eye view: anything moved by rail that has to move West to East, such as more supplies to from Europe, looks like it would have to be routed through Odesa, which seems like it might be venerable as well. This is before any softer aspects, like where depots and goverment offices are, all things that are immensely disruptive and difficult to move and get operational at a new location.

If the main realm of conflict has shifted to the North, rather than the West, I'm not sure Ukraine really has any ability to give ground: its two biggest cities, Kiev and kharkiv, are right on the boarder, with Kharkiv already in the process of being encircled and Kiev looks like it might start that process tomorrow or the day after.

If both of those fall, I'm not sure how much capability Ukraine has to maintain organized resistance, along with the morale hit of losing the capital the two largest cities. It just so divides up the remaining zones the Ukrainian forces could be in and hinders their ability to put up united resistance, rather than being eliminated peacemeal.

If Kiev is as logistically, morally, and strategically critical as my initial looking suggests, perhaps we see a slowing down and very hard fighting for that last 50 km of advance Russia needs to make to encircle Kiev, then a couple of hard counter attacks to try and break encirclement, but if Kiev does fall the rest of the resistance collapses fairly quickly.

And if taking Kiev effectively ends the war, the advances made are much more dangerous to the Ukrainian war effort than I initially suspected.
 
I really did not realize how bad Ukraines geographic position actually is with Belarus taken into account, so used to thinking in terms of a Donbass region fight.

You only really have one major town to the left and right between Kiev and the Belarusian boarder, and both paths are less than 200 km from Belarus to Kiev. And since Belarus lets you attack on both sides of the river, it turns Kiev from a potential strong point difficult to flank thanks to the river, to potentially making it easier to be encircled and cut off.

And encircling Kiev does not look like it might be all that difficult, with Kiev just not physically being all that large looking at it: A full box of the urban area is about 100 km long front for complete encirclement of an area about 500 square km. A fairly strong perimeter could be maintained with about 10,000 men (100 per km), though of course you'd want more/a reserve to respond to major breakout points/troop rotations.

If they can keep of their current suggested rate of advance according to Livemap they could be encircling Kiev today or tomorrow, and if they need to encircle and move on, bottling up the garrison in Kiev (depending on the garrison size) could require a relatively small force proportional to the Russian/Belarus forces available.

And if Kiev is captured or even falls, the Ukrainian logistical situation looks like it would implode, at least from the bird eye view: anything moved by rail that has to move West to East, such as more supplies to from Europe, looks like it would have to be routed through Odesa, which seems like it might be venerable as well. This is before any softer aspects, like where depots and goverment offices are, all things that are immensely disruptive and difficult to move and get operational at a new location.

If the main realm of conflict has shifted to the North, rather than the West, I'm not sure Ukraine really has any ability to give ground: its two biggest cities, Kiev and kharkiv, are right on the boarder, with Kharkiv already in the process of being encircled and Kiev looks like it might start that process tomorrow or the day after.

If both of those fall, I'm not sure how much capability Ukraine has to maintain organized resistance, along with the morale hit of losing the capital the two largest cities. It just so divides up the remaining zones the Ukrainian forces could be in and hinders their ability to put up united resistance, rather than being eliminated peacemeal.

If Kiev is as logistically, morally, and strategically critical as my initial looking suggests, perhaps we see a slowing down and very hard fighting for that last 50 km of advance Russia needs to make to encircle Kiev, then a couple of hard counter attacks to try and break encirclement, but if Kiev does fall the rest of the resistance collapses fairly quickly.

And if taking Kiev effectively ends the war, the advances made are much more dangerous to the Ukrainian war effort than I initially suspected.
The war ends when Zelensky is dead and all of Ukraine has fallen. Not just Kiev
 
But wouldn't the paramilitaries and civilians with guns actually make the Russian task of capturing Kiev/Kyiv a lot harder? Even civilians with guns would be a great help to the war effort.
 
But wouldn't the paramilitaries and civilians with guns actually make the Russian task of capturing Kiev/Kyiv a lot harder? Even civilians with guns would be a great help to the war effort.
Not really in some ways makes it easier.... “what those Blocks we leveled weren’t full of civilians they were full of insurgents”. Insurgents work when you can fade away, like into the mountains, not in an area where the enemy can hit you with artillery
 
Not really in some ways makes it easier.... “what those Blocks we leveled weren’t full of civilians they were full of insurgents”
Yikes, we might as well brace for "Putin is a war criminal!" slogans. To be honest, Kyiv/Kiev might have the potential to become Russia's equivalent of Fallujah. Oh wait, I think we're past the slogans already.
 
I mean there is a reason urban warfare is considered so nightmarish.
There might be an angry pre-teen girl with a shotgun just waiting for you and looking for an excuse to send a cloud of "you don't want to be anywhere near this" right at you when open the door.

Walking around unarmed in "the 'Hood'" during a gang fight is probably safer than opening "Door #1".
 

Oh man, russia really stepped in it now. They’ve pissed off anonymous! I hear they’re like an internet hate machine.



Jokes aside, this is the same “anonymous” that in 2020 was posting about supporting the “people’s revolution” against Assad or some such nonsense. Pretty blatant CIA puppet.
 
Jokes aside, this is the same “anonymous” that in 2020 was posting about supporting the “people’s revolution” against Assad or some such nonsense. Pretty blatant CIA puppet.
It's also the same "anonymous" that will go to great lengths to track down pedophiles in the "we're giving the FBI your home address along with a pile of evidence" level of snitching.
 

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