Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

No, if you cared about impossibilities, you'd not claim Japan should invade the Kurils
That's a game of chicken and politics, not an impossibility. If Japan was convinced Russians won't dare to use nukes over it, with how focused Russian military is in Ukraine now, conventionally they could punt Russia out of Kuriles so hard they wouldn't know what happened if they wanted to.
, or that Ukraine can take back the Donbass.
Matter of western support and time, not impossibility. If the West went full Lend Lease, absolutely possible. By which i mean Ukraine using about a hundred F-35's with few hundred other gen 4 planes, thousands of western tanks and IFVs and so on.
 
The only reason Zelensky doesn't consider NATO membership as available is because he can't get it.

No, if you cared about impossibilities, you'd not claim Japan should invade the Kurils, or that Ukraine can take back the Donbass.

You just wanted to mischaracterize my point as badly as was possible.
No, I believe both are possible, if the will and focus is there.

I do not believe removing Russian troops from Ukraine is going to be a short affair, but I also understand that the current game is not the direct lines on the map, but the logistics nodes behind said lines, and the geopgraphical choke-points in the north of Crimea don't care about politics.

The naval war has been going Ukraine's way as well, but you seem to ignore the naval war aspect most of the time, as well as what the new Patriot batteries are doing to Russian tactical fixed-wing air.

At minimum it will go through till the Russian election, likely the US election as well. Places in Europe are pledging support through to 2027 and beyond, for a long war, because they know if US aid to Ukraine is cut, they are next, regardless. And even if Ukraine is able to force Russia to withdraw troops next week, the demining/anti-UXO work will take decades alone I expect, unless they just write them off like France did with the Zone Rouge's after WW1.

Crimea is attainable, and the Russian navy in the Black Sea is getting smaller every month, while the overland supply line is becoming less and less secure because of the 3 northern connections between Crimea and the south bank of the Kherson region, only one is actually truly overland, and that is the western most one.

The other two overland connections north out of Crimea are bridges over salt swamps/tidal flats, which are relatively easy to put out of action and keep out of action with enough long range artillery. Ukraine is spinning up homemade production of GLMRS rockets for the HIMARs launchers, Rheinmetall is building a tank factory for Leopards in Ukraine itself, while Russia's internal oil infrastructure is falling to pieces without western knowhow to maintain it.

The US public, including you Ab, have become far, far to accustomed to US combined arms dominance in modern warfare, and expect too much from Ukraine, too fast, instead of letting them both make tactical gains while gearing up industry to support and enable Ukraine to get the victory they want.
That's a game of chicken and politics, not an impossibility. If Japan was convinced Russians won't dare to use nukes over it, with how focused Russian military is in Ukraine now, conventionally they could punt Russia out of Kuriles so hard they wouldn't know what happened if they wanted to.
Also helps Russia resettled a lot of Ukrainian exiles in the Far East over the decades, including in that area.

If Japan wanted to rescue those Ukrainian nationals and evict the Russian squatters at the same time...
Matter of western support and time, not impossibility. If the West went full Lend Lease, absolutely possible. By which i mean Ukraine using about a hundred F-35's with few hundred other gen 4 planes, thousands of western tanks and IFVs and so on.
The decisive terrain is Crimea, not the Donbass, and if Russia loses Crimea, keeping the Donbass becomes very hard for the Kremlin. It also removes the off-shore oilfields found around Crimea from Russian control.

I was surprised when Ukraine mounted that first counteroffensive without F-16s for top-cover, and I think that was a mistake.

But I also understand letting the Russians dig in further may have only made everything harder in the long run, F-16s or not.

The naval war and the grain corridor are working, and the Patriots are helping deal with Russian tactical air as well as drones and high-end missiles.

The US Right should have been holding Biden's feet to the fire for Lend-Lease levels of aid and industrial spin-up from the second tanks rolled through Chernobyl.
 
That's a game of chicken and politics, not an impossibility. If Japan was convinced Russians won't dare to use nukes over it, with how focused Russian military is in Ukraine now, conventionally they could punt Russia out of Kuriles so hard they wouldn't know what happened if they wanted to.

Matter of western support and time, not impossibility. If the West went full Lend Lease, absolutely possible. By which i mean Ukraine using about a hundred F-35's with few hundred other gen 4 planes, thousands of western tanks and IFVs and so on.
1.True
2.No need for that,100 F16 and 500 modern tanks in 2023 offensive should be enough.
But - Biden never wonted Ukraine vicory,only Putin agreement to Alliance against China.Only thanks to comrade colonel stupidity we were not sold to Moscov yet.
 


For all those worried the US isn't tracking the weapons it sends/sells to Ukraine.

Edit: Also, Russians have been doing GPS jamming over the Baltics and Poland out of Kaliningrad/Konigsberg.

 


For all those worried the US isn't tracking the weapons it sends/sells to Ukraine.

Edit: Also, Russians have been doing GPS jamming over the Baltics and Poland out of Kaliningrad/Konigsberg.



That's less of a worry then the fact that it might not be enough.

Russia has a lot more people then Ukranians and their not achieving the kind of kill ratios you need to win a war against Russia. By most estimates their getting close to having caused half a million or so russian deaths but you need more then that to make Russia scream uncle a lot more.

The last time Russia had a war that seriously shattered them was WW1 that took 1.7 million russian deaths, and that might be the number needed to make them stop in this case as well.
 
That's less of a worry then the fact that it might not be enough.

Russia has a lot more people then Ukranians and their not achieving the kind of kill ratios you need to win a war against Russia. By most estimates their getting close to having caused half a million or so russian deaths but you need more then that to make Russia scream uncle a lot more.

The last time Russia had a war that seriously shattered them was WW1 that took 1.7 million russian deaths, and that might be the number needed to make them stop in this case as well.
Russia also had more land then
 
That's less of a worry then the fact that it might not be enough.

Russia has a lot more people then Ukranians and their not achieving the kind of kill ratios you need to win a war against Russia. By most estimates their getting close to having caused half a million or so russian deaths but you need more then that to make Russia scream uncle a lot more.

The last time Russia had a war that seriously shattered them was WW1 that took 1.7 million russian deaths, and that might be the number needed to make them stop in this case as well.
Russia doesn't have the demographic replacement ability it had back then, nor does Russia have the help of the Allies this time.

Also, kill ratio's at the front matter less than the deep strikes against the logistical network feeding/supplying the Russian troops and the naval war has been removing the value of holding Crimea month by month as the Black Sea fleet has kept losing ships.

Focusing only on kill ratios and the frontline misses the larger strategic picture influencing the conflict and that things breaking behind the lines is what makes it possible to get the massive kill ratio's the simplistic analysist class focus on.
 
A tank without gas is a bunker. A tank without gas and ammo is useless. Soldiers without food or decent uniforms will not fight as effectively and the Ukranians are not the same sort of crisis Hitler's Germany was in 1941.
 
That's less of a worry then the fact that it might not be enough.

Russia has a lot more people then Ukranians and their not achieving the kind of kill ratios you need to win a war against Russia. By most estimates their getting close to having caused half a million or so russian deaths but you need more then that to make Russia scream uncle a lot more.

The last time Russia had a war that seriously shattered them was WW1 that took 1.7 million russian deaths, and that might be the number needed to make them stop in this case as well.

nowhere near a half million deaths. more like 50,000.
 
IIRC Russia isn't even running a draft right now. They've got enough volunteers. Meanwhile, Ukraine is starting to draft 40+ year old men because the younger demographics have been decimated.

Russians are for this war. They want to go fight. They aren't going to turn on Putin. It's propping up their economy and they're happy about it. They're happy to go fight, and at the current casualty numbers, Ukraine is going to run out of soldiers first.

Ukraine is not winning this war. Russia will end up with Donbass, and probably more, if Ukraine doesnt start negotiating in peace talks soon.
 
Reuters not very credible in my eyes (but nobody is :)), yet it mentions 315k killed OR wounded ...
 
Yeah. The war isn't about how far Ukraine will go. It's about how far the US and Russia will go. And quite simply, Russia cares more than the US ever could.

The US should negotiate a peace, if we cared at all about Ukraine.

But Realpolitik, we don't. All the US wants to do is kill as many Russians as possible using Ukrainian lives. We don't care who wins, as long as Russia can only win Pyrrhically.
 
Yeah. The war isn't about how far Ukraine will go. It's about how far the US and Russia will go. And quite simply, Russia cares more than the US ever could.

The US should negotiate a peace, if we cared at all about Ukraine.

But Realpolitik, we don't. All the US wants to do is kill as many Russians as possible using Ukrainian lives. We don't care who wins, as long as Russia can only win Pyrrhically.
Because a Russia at war with Ukraine means we mostly only need to worry about China for a while instead of both. How many Ukrainians have to die because the US wants an easier time with foreign policy?
 
IIRC Russia isn't even running a draft right now. They've got enough volunteers. Meanwhile, Ukraine is starting to draft 40+ year old men because the younger demographics have been decimated.

Russians are for this war. They want to go fight. They aren't going to turn on Putin. It's propping up their economy and they're happy about it. They're happy to go fight, and at the current casualty numbers, Ukraine is going to run out of soldiers first.

Ukraine is not winning this war. Russia will end up with Donbass, and probably more, if Ukraine doesnt start negotiating in peace talks soon.
russians are long dead,they are soveks.And remember,that USA never wonted Ukraine victory.

Now,something else/to be precise,woke madness/:

1. people working on airfields in USAto control traffic worked well - till goverment decided to help opressed minorities.
Result? they changed ATSA test ,and all workers must take new one named Biographical Assesment/

good workers get kicked,becouse they were white,and replaced by new ones with right colour.Thanks to that,USA have problems now,and bigger in future.

2.Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay in their new book/Cynical theories/ laught at cancel culture,they in so called "Grievance Studies Affair faked woke articles mimicking "mein Kampf" which was published by leftists as real science.
They basically prowed,that woke "scientists" are unable to undarstandt what they are reading.
 
Casualties in general seem to have the average consensus of all but the most Russian bias sources as at least 300k
 
IIRC Russia isn't even running a draft right now. They've got enough volunteers. Meanwhile, Ukraine is starting to draft 40+ year old men because the younger demographics have been decimated.

Russians are for this war. They want to go fight. They aren't going to turn on Putin. It's propping up their economy and they're happy about it. They're happy to go fight, and at the current casualty numbers, Ukraine is going to run out of soldiers first.

Ukraine is not winning this war. Russia will end up with Donbass, and probably more, if Ukraine doesnt start negotiating in peace talks soon.
Russia has "partially mobilized".
They can't go full mobilization because they are not able to legally (I know wierd).
We have seen a lot of people in Russia get mobilization paperwork and get forced to the front lines.
Of course you really won't hear from it due to the fact it is mostly from outlying oblasts and not from Moscow or St Petersburg.

Russia has been pulling people that work in its factories, I trades, everything to supply this war.
You just don't hear of it as much because it is being hidden more.

@Marduk @Bacle @Husky_Khan should have evidence of these "partial mobilizations" aka drafts
 

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