Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

African civilization outside of Eithopia is a young one, europeans were much the same when they were starting out.
Egypt would like a word.

I know most consider Egypt it's own thing, not truly 'Africa', however pretty much no one else has the continuity of civilization that the Egyptians do, even with the different rulers they've had over time.

Edit: And more on topic, the Swiss are no longer neutral in this conflict, it seems. So congrats Putin, you got a trifecta of turning formerly neutral nations into people willing to back Ukraine.

 
African civilization outside of Eithopia is a young one, europeans were much the same when they were starting out.
True enough First christianed polish ruler /Mieszko/ and his son/Bolesław/ were dudes which ancestors conqered nearby tribes,and had no problems with selling some to jewish slavers like Ibrahim ibn Jakub.

In fact,their standing army existed only thanks to that.

Exactly like african warlords in 19th century.....
 

I hope,that our eunuchs do not support this till ukrainians led bury all polish victims of UPA.

And,they could made more monuments for those cowardly genociders - every country have heroes which it deserved.
If Ukraine belive that they deserved UPA,let them keep it.
 
Ukraine isn't getting into NATO. People might publicly pretend but one of two things ends up true.

1) Russia is defeated so badly in Ukraine that they cease to have a functional military (outside of, perhaps, their nuclear forces). In which case NATO is basically irrelevant as the enemy is gone.

or

2) The war continues in some combination of hot and cold. In which case the US will veto NATO membership even if all of Europe was in favor (and they wouldn't be) because adding Ukraine to NATO while it is in a state of war with Russia starts full blown WW3 and the nukes fly.

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Russia is committed to this war to the bitter end. They will continue to fight Ukraine until Russia becomes physically unable to continue the fight and/or victory is achieved. And ultimately, Russia probably would go nuclear if it perceived that as the only way to win in Ukraine.

For Russia this is an existential war that is has already paid the economic price for fighting. And it is a war that the entire Russian political establishment (even the opposition) is largely on board with and intends to fight to the bitter end.

Russia is absolutely willing, and able, to embrace massive war crimes if it perceives a tactical or strategic advantage in doing so and massively outnumbers Ukraine. The kill ratio that Ukraine needs to maintain is, frankly, fairly absurd.

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Unless Europe gets another incredibly mild winter, it is also going to have enormous problems come fall & winter. Because Europe really hasn't done much of anything constructive with the time they gained with last winters reprieve.
 
Russia is absolutely willing, and able, to embrace massive war crimes if it perceives a tactical or strategic advantage in doing so and massively outnumbers Ukraine. The kill ratio that Ukraine needs to maintain is, frankly, fairly absurd.
I think you're way off here. Russia is at a point where they are actively entertaining the idea of a military civil war between Russian units and Wagner. This is just in the idea phase. However, assuming Putin gets off'd or dies sometime soon, they gonna go full blown Warlord era.
 
I think you're way off here. Russia is at a point where they are actively entertaining the idea of a military civil war between Russian units and Wagner. This is just in the idea phase. However, assuming Putin gets off'd or dies sometime soon, they gonna go full blown Warlord era.
Like to note both Japan and china have their own historical claims on Russian territory and since Russia opened that can of worms....
 
Loool, I was right about this being a big deal, of course Rufus and co back on FiC insisted I was emptily "posturing", that this was a nothingburger and there was nothing to worry about. Think I'm going to go with the Belarusian opposition over what Rufus, Folti, Arius and others (i.e. a few randos on the internet) said.

 
Ukraine isn't getting into NATO. People might publicly pretend but one of two things ends up true.

1) Russia is defeated so badly in Ukraine that they cease to have a functional military (outside of, perhaps, their nuclear forces). In which case NATO is basically irrelevant as the enemy is gone.

or

2) The war continues in some combination of hot and cold. In which case the US will veto NATO membership even if all of Europe was in favor (and they wouldn't be) because adding Ukraine to NATO while it is in a state of war with Russia starts full blown WW3 and the nukes fly.

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Russia is committed to this war to the bitter end. They will continue to fight Ukraine until Russia becomes physically unable to continue the fight and/or victory is achieved. And ultimately, Russia probably would go nuclear if it perceived that as the only way to win in Ukraine.

For Russia this is an existential war that is has already paid the economic price for fighting. And it is a war that the entire Russian political establishment (even the opposition) is largely on board with and intends to fight to the bitter end.

Russia is absolutely willing, and able, to embrace massive war crimes if it perceives a tactical or strategic advantage in doing so and massively outnumbers Ukraine. The kill ratio that Ukraine needs to maintain is, frankly, fairly absurd.

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Unless Europe gets another incredibly mild winter, it is also going to have enormous problems come fall & winter. Because Europe really hasn't done much of anything constructive with the time they gained with last winters reprieve.

What Russia? it dead 100 years ago,murdered by soviets.
And postsoviet KGB elites are made from maybe 1000 dudes who care only about keeping power.
Sure,they would prefer to take Ukraine,but if theu must choose between ruling as China vassals,or die,then what do you think they choose? death? they never belived in anytching except their sacred right to be top dogs.

If China agree to keep them as overlords,they would not fight.
 


@Marduk, is this legit?

To a degree. A border patrol car was indeed fired at, with something. Polish articles suggest a BB gun or something like that, it's not known yet, with implication that the projectile was moving at speed low enough for human perception. Either way, it damaged 2 windows in a border patrol car. It's also noted that migrants were throwing stones at border patrol in that area. Could also be some kind of sling or riot control device i think.
 
To a degree. A border patrol car was indeed fired at, with something. Polish articles suggest a BB gun or something like that, it's not known yet, with implication that the projectile was moving at speed low enough for human perception. Either way, it damaged 2 windows in a border patrol car. It's also noted that migrants were throwing stones at border patrol in that area. Could also be some kind of sling or riot control device i think.

Russians have pillaged Belarus of so much military equipment for their War with Ukraine that the Border Guards have been equipped with BB Guns and sling shots.
 
What Russia? it dead 100 years ago,murdered by soviets.
And postsoviet KGB elites are made from maybe 1000 dudes who care only about keeping power.
Sure,they would prefer to take Ukraine,but if theu must choose between ruling as China vassals,or die,then what do you think they choose? death? they never belived in anytching except their sacred right to be top dogs.

If China agree to keep them as overlords,they would not fight.
I'm telling you no Russia was not eliminated. Nations are not that easy to remove. Hell Egypt still lives even after the Arabs.
 

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