AnimalNoodles
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well, good luck with that.
Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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well, good luck with that.
Yeah, he called out your bosses in the Kremlin for being the enemies of the west that they are, and Macron is finding friends in others in Europe who are tired of cowering in fear of 'escalation' with Russia over aid to Ukraine.
Personally I hope people like you end up in Nuremberg 3.0 for willing aiding Russia at this point.
thats going one step too far Bacle, Noodles disagrees with a lot of people about the war but he's not fighting in it, he's not committing war crimes, and has nothing to do with the war period. We are all grown ups here, your better then this.
...that you think he isn't fighting as part of the Russian propaganda war is cute.
He doesn't simply 'disagree' about things, he actively wants Russia to take over Ukraine and wants Russia to fuck the west to get rid of 'globohomo'.
Time for peace has passed, everyone has to chose a side, and he chose the one that will be facing war crimes tribunals when all is said and done.
I expect the only thing keeping AnimalNoodles from becoming the next Hinkle or Snowden is lack of funds to get to Russia.
America and the european union have not declared war, they are putting a significant thumb on the press of one side but actually declaring it? No.
I get that you have strong feelings about this but Noodles is not a modern day Tokyo Rose. hes a man who got very much burned by the wests extreme left like so many others and resents having his money taken away to be spent on a war that he feels no connection to.
You cant just shame people and say your evil and expect them to give you free shit any more that well has been firmly poisoned you have to make things into peoples mutual interests. If you keep going as you have people will pull support just out of spite. You need to reconize the political situation of the day, and corse things accordingly.
Ukraine really had turned you into a complete, unhinged retard, Bacle. Jesus Christ.
I do not want AnimalNoodles to support Ukraine, because that won't happen under any condition anyway, and instead want to showcase what a fucking lolcow and moron he is and how malicious his knowing lies and aid to Russia are.
I am not calling people who want to deal with domestic shit evil, just people who knowingly and willing spread the Kremlin's lies at this point. I do place AnimalNoodles on the same level as Hinkle or Snowden, in terms of knowingly helping Putin's genocidal aims at this point.
He wants to support a knowing and willing evil in Putin's Russia, I will call it out as such.
You are too scared to punch right when needed, and it has never been more needed than when deal with people like AnimalNoodles and his ilk.
I'm not scared to alienate people like Noodles, because I do not feel like wasting effort trying to bring willing Russian shills onside, instead of mock and shame them.
I see what France is doing, I know which way the political winds are blowing in regards to this conflict (despite DC's stupidity), and I know that the west doesn't need to 'convince' Russian shills, just mock and shame them.
No, it's opened my eyes to how stupid parts of the Right are, and how easily the Right gets led around by the nose by both the Dems, internal grifters, and our foreign adversaries.
The GOP had an easy win in trying to hold Biden's feet to the fire over aid to Ukraine, to make the Dems look like the ones trying to make nice with Russia, and it blew all on stupidity like what I've seen from you and others who want to effectively stick their heads in the sand and pretend Putin's Russia is trustworthy in any 'peace deal', despite all evidence to the contrary.
And maybe I'd be more merciful to knowing and willing Russia simps like AnimalNoodles if I didn't keep as close an eye on the conflict as I have, and was less aware of what scumsuckers like him are cheering on.
prinCZess
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Questioning both the efficacy of ongoing aid in comparison to other uses, the competency of this administration to provide that aid in Ukraine especially are a combination that makes a '3' in that list.
Like...From Ukraine itself we know there was the big anti-corruption effort that bore fruit, from the Pentagon we know aid inventory has gone missing, from other news stories we know there's connections between Ukraine and American politicians of note (Biden most notably), and, to nobody's surprise after Afghanistan's fuckery got nobody held accountable and no reforms made, we've now got articles like the below suggesting America's administrators of the military are too incompetent to handle something so complicated as telling people what to count for inventorying purposes and basically-creating the inventory crisis.
Pentagon can’t guarantee accurate tracking of Ukraine aid, watchdog finds
As opponents of continued military aid for Ukraine cite accountability for US-sent weapons as a concern, a GAO report this week revealed much of that uncertainty is not Kyiv’s fault – but the…
nypost.com
That's a lot of big negative signs when the goal is this hyper-pragmatic enemy-quagmiring that looks to already be accomplished and ongoing without additional US input as yet. Seems worth investigating if Ukraine can maintain or have slow advances at considerably lower US funding-provision (or if the Euros picking-up support can become the more predominant source of aid instead of the US continuing to bear it as ongoing US NATO charity-upinventorying).
Because arms/ammo-sales or equipment-provision to other countries are in US interest (Taiwan), and even more pragmatically, there's US military concerns that equipping Ukraine with doesn't help with (manpower concerns...And while the money wouldn't help reforming the military's incompetence-crisis at the top directly, not spending it while the incompetents are in charge of it could be the better part of valor).
And the national debt and inflation, which both bear their own national security and benefit concerns (if ones politicians prefer to ignore).
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Minimal/pyrrhic victories are generally not a goal anyone sane aims for. We're not Battletech Clans, that's not how one wins conflicts. There's always a lot of unknown in a war, especially one like this, trying to penny pinch for no good reason is a good way to get surprised.
On the other hand there's absolutely no indication that Ukraine is getting flooded with expensive stuff it has no military use for.
It does help with that too. The more fucked up Russia gets by Ukraine conflict, the smaller threat it will be, and in turn that means USA will need to reserve less resources "just in case" of a Russia driven crisis in Europe. A large sword of Damocles in Europe is the tool China wants Russia to be. The US interest is to make that sword small and rusty, if existing at all.
It is because the resources USA needs to reserve for European conflict (including certain types of military units and training specs, which means manpower) are of wrong type (heavy mechanized units) or dislocation (west coast/SEA foreign bases vs east coast/EU foreign bases) to be easily repurposed for a Pacific one, so the less USA needs to prepare for Russia-Europe problems, the more is left for Pacific, and so the perfect scenario would be Russia losing any ambitions and/or ability to cause distraction conflicts in Europe at all, because the mere possibility that it can cause one while China does too creates virtual attrition for US strategic force economy.
Even i'm gonna say you should chill out a bit with the rhetoric, though i myself think Russia simps are dividing the western right for no good reason at all, what the fuck does trying to penny pinch 50 or 100bn a year achieve in the age of multi trillion yearly budgets with far greater sums spent on ideologically driven pork that doesn't just have questionable benefits like they claim with Ukraine, but outright means spending money to have negative effect on the country.
That said, less mean names and broad attacks, more focused, deep, technical, hard fact based stabs at this regurgitated propaganda to try mine the real motivation from under the cover of foreign policy ignorance and thin veil of tactical fiscal conservatism.
Their biggest achievement so far is to create a near perfect 50/50 division line inside GOP for absolutely no arguable cause worthy such a problem at all, hard to think of any other issue dividing the right so exactly now, congratulations, they have achieved something, no idea how is that supposed to help win against the left, people who laugh at diversity being a strength probably should know better, "unity is strength" is the traditional universal political slogan for a reason, but here it is, wtf is this application of "tactical fiscal conservatism" for no one knows. We should be sick of this argument after DNC and GOPe used tactical fiscal conservatism as an excuse to not improve border security for ages...
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I tried facts, I tried news, I tried to be nice, to be civil, I tried to give the benefit of the doubt to people who repeatedly showed they were impervious to any fact, view, or stat not in the Kremlin's narrative favor.
I have been trying for over 2 years now, and I'm tired of playing nice and civil
The battle lines have been drawn, and I don't think that any amount of civility or facts will get through to certain segments.
So that just leaves mockery and shaming.
Do you understand now why I am tired of trying to be civil about some of this, with certain segments of the GOP's base/certain personalities?
I am watching the GOP, which I threw decades of friendships and family respect away for in order to support Trump, because was right and the Left had lost the plot, piss away everything good Trump accomplished in terms of PR and in growing the GOP because they do not want to support Ukraine due to the lies of grifters, lies of the Kremlin getting rebroadcast, and because they mistakenly think that stopping the aid going to Ukraine could somehow paper over the deep divides in the US.
This is not the Right I signed onto support when I came out for Trump in 2016.
From a distance yeah, people like this are hard to tell from 50 cent army Moscow edition, but once you take a closer looks some more specific tricks, ideas and fringe political movements built around them show up.
First take a go at 2 big visible segments of the anti side, namely the isolationist faction and the tactical fiscal conservatives. One is an idea of those who either have no clue of foreign policy (and so they smugly declare that this too complex and uninteresting for them thing should not be considered worth attention at all and being smartass, all money and effort should be withdrawn from it, trollface.jpg) or pretend to in order to hide other, even less defensible positions (so make them reveal those), up to and including normally associated with leftists "West bad!" doctrines or mistakenly thinking that a decline in international standing of USA as a country will somehow damage the image of post-Obama DNC and help the right, despite its own "managed decline" doctrine (if they thought that too damaging to be worthwhile for them, it wouldn't be their own fucking doctrine).
The other is people who either don't know math, or pretend to in hope that other people won't do their own math and take their argument on face value.
Besides that i see plenty enough of leftist brainbug entryism with variations on teenage hippy grade memery about le evil western imperialism, delusional visions of "multipolar world" as some sort of geopolitical heaven that may as well come from Beijing, beating the dead horse of neoconservatism as if it's the most worthwhile and urgent thing in the world of right wing politics and the like.
Dude? Seriously?
Knock that shit off. All it does is make you look like as much of an idiot as he is.
I'm tired of playing nice over this shit, and I'm tired of acting like Russia's 5th column isn't a thing that people like AnimalNoodles seems a willing part of.Dude? Seriously?
I have little chill left at all anymore, and little compassion left, for those who act as willing stooges for the Kremlin, and frankly am getting to the point of feeling like parts of the GOP want to make the 'Russian Collusion Hoax' into a 'Russian Collusion Reality'.
There is no point trying to remain civil with open and willingly Russia simps.
There's a difference between being "tired of playing nice" and declaring people should be executed at Nuremberg 3.0 for being a pathetic simp.
mrttao
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the sheer delusion and retardation is painful.
Didn't say he should be executed; there were plenty of people at Nuremberg who sat in prison for 20 years or more, instead of getting the noose.
It was about the the trial and public destruction of those who aided in the crimes of the Nazi's, more than the actual punishments, that made Nuremberg so important, and I think we as a civilization are going to be forced to do something like that again with the leadership of Russia and their supporters when this is all said and done, even if though the 'kinder' avenue of the ICC or Interpol.
No, just willing to admit such a thing effectively exists in the US these days, and that Russia leans on it a lot.
Bigking321
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I'd rather have a new Nuremberg for the people that are responsible for covid, the Vax, and are actively subverting and trying to destroy my country from within.
Shrug. To each their own favored enemy I suppose. We're all different.
Shrug. To each their own favored enemy I suppose. We're all different.