So the girl may be suicidal, and this is how they treat her in an effort to get her to the hospital?
Fucking scum with badges looking for any excuse to power trip.
Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion
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Fucking scum with badges looking for any excuse to power trip.
posh-goofiness
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I think we've found the next Proxy.
Meanwhile in China...
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Police killed an autistic teenager. Then they filed search warrants looking for past bad behavior.
After Eric Parsa's death at the hands of Louisiana police, officers received approval for search warrants of the teenager's "incidents of violence or documented behavioral reports" at school.
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I'm sorry, what idiot officer did this, and why is he even still on the job?
bintananth
behind a desk
I'm guessing that someone thought he didn't have insurance and couldn't pay the ER bill.
Meanwhile, in a sane ER one of the first things they'll do is draw blood and send it to a lab.
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I sorta get where people are coming from in noting that pepper spray was a better option than manhandling.
If the child is throwing a tantrum and is seriously worked up, throwing herself around and generally being physically violent (for as violent as a nine year old can be) if the cops grabbed her she could have ended up with bruising, dislocated limbs, or potentially even breaking an arm or the like or ending up giving herself a concussion if she managed to slam her head into something hard, and these are things she could effectively do to herself even if police were using proper restraining techniques if she was worked up enough just via resisting basic holds or throwing herself violently about while being held by the officer.
While the bruising isn't serious, the other two injuries could be, and then the news reports would be all about how the police broke her arm or dislocated her shoulder... physical injuries taking long periods to recover from and that would place considerable liability on the police.
Can you, with 100% truthfulness tell me that you wouldn't be calling for the cop's heads if that had been the headline here?
Thus the logic to using pepper spray. The long term physical health impact of pepper spray is going to be significantly less than any potential physical injuries that resulted from them manhandling her. Was it excessive? Probably, but there is a logic to it beyond police being cruel.
I can corral a nine year old girl without breaking/dislocating their arm. It ain't that difficult. They were able to handcuff her fine prior to this, so they could too. If something freak accident goes wrong, I get it, that happens. But the pepper spray was stupid and cruel. The simple answer is to just call an ambulance to transfer the girl in. Problem solved.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
While I agree that it is highly unlikely the circumstances justified pepper spray, you're over-simplifying.
When someone goes completely nuts, even a half-grown child, you would be shocked by the amount of force they can throw around. People are entirely capable of injuring themselves, and being smaller means both smaller muscles, and a more fragile body to injure.
Further, most children don't actually resist adults to the maximum of their ability. They resist to the point where they either decide it's pointless, or they'll just get themselves into more trouble. A child throwing a temper tantrum after things have already escalated to the point where she's in a cop car? I could see her actually going all-out, and it is entirely possible for a child to injure themselves, or someone else, when that happens.
Additionally, calling an ambulance doesn't solve the problem either. First off, it doesn't get there instantly, and there are long minutes where the child could injure themselves. Second off, an ambulance might not be available, or calling it might make it unavailable for someone in a real medical emergency. Third off, what exactly are the paramedics going to do that the cop could not to keep the child from harming themselves? Fourth off, ambulances are expensive, and someone is going to end up paying minimum hundreds, more likely thousands of dollars, for that ambulance call.
I doubt things were so bad as to justify pepper spray, I really do. But you seem to be cavalierly saying it's not possible for it to have been justified, and that's just not true.
Anyone trying to understand how police work is done, needs to remember that when the cops are called, things are already bad. There is no longer a 'good solution' available, because something has gone badly wrong, you are now in a 'what is the least bad solution we can reasonably get to?' situation.
That probably did not include pepper spray, but it's not impossible. I'm reminded of a case where the cops pepper sprayed a bunch of protesting college students who were 'just' sitting on a sidewalk. The reason they did it is because the protestors were blocking a group of people from leaving the area, and given the other rowdy protestors around, the people trying to leave the area were trying to do so with a police escort. The protestors repeatedly refused orders from the cops to move so that others could leave, then were warned if they didn't move they'd get sprayed, then eventually got sprayed.
Justifying circumstances are possible, even if unlikely. If the cop just didn't want to put up with her having a temper tantrum, he was way out of line. If he was trying to stop her from thrashing around hard enough to cause herself injury, it's more gray-area.
bintananth
behind a desk
There's also the fact that a 9yr old girl weighs about 65lbs. That may not seem like much when compared to an adult man but she's a good 15lbs-40lbs heavier than an adult Clouded Leopard and just as difficult to handle safely when she's upset with you.
Typhonis
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Democrats block potential release of documents on FBI's secret forms used to strip gun rights (msn.com)
So The FBI had a form they made people fill out from 2016 to 2019 that would strip them of the right to own firearms.
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"We desperately need this information to fully uncover the lengths to which the FBI went to circumvent the Constitution, as well as to ensure unelected, anti-gun bureaucrats do not further infringe on Americans constitutional right to keep and bear arms," said Clyde, a member of the House Oversight Committee. "I am committed to ensuring we have answers, transparency, and justice."
The resolution's introduction was the direct result of a September Daily Caller report uncovering that at least 15 Americans signed these forms between 2016 and 2019. The forms ask signatories to identify as a "danger" to themselves or others, or lacking “mental capacity adequately to contract or manage” their lives.
Gun Owners of America, a firearms rights group, obtained the signed forms as part of its ongoing Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the FBI to compel the disclosure of records. The FBI presented the forms at people's homes and in other undisclosed locations beginning in at least 2016 and until December 2019, when the FBI says their usage was discontinued. "
So The FBI had a form they made people fill out from 2016 to 2019 that would strip them of the right to own firearms.
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"We desperately need this information to fully uncover the lengths to which the FBI went to circumvent the Constitution, as well as to ensure unelected, anti-gun bureaucrats do not further infringe on Americans constitutional right to keep and bear arms," said Clyde, a member of the House Oversight Committee. "I am committed to ensuring we have answers, transparency, and justice."
The resolution's introduction was the direct result of a September Daily Caller report uncovering that at least 15 Americans signed these forms between 2016 and 2019. The forms ask signatories to identify as a "danger" to themselves or others, or lacking “mental capacity adequately to contract or manage” their lives.
Gun Owners of America, a firearms rights group, obtained the signed forms as part of its ongoing Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the FBI to compel the disclosure of records. The FBI presented the forms at people's homes and in other undisclosed locations beginning in at least 2016 and until December 2019, when the FBI says their usage was discontinued. "
Maybe I should have given this its own thread, but it seems like it would fit here. Basically, it involves the mysterious deaths of two teen-aged boys in rural Arkansas which was staged to look like a train accident and seems to have involved the local Sheriff's department, a prosecutor, a medical examiner, and apparently even the FBI, who all participated in a coverup of what really happened that night while supposedly investigating it. This also involved the murder and cover-up of even more deaths of people almost every single person who came forward as a witness.
ETA: Oh, and it's probably because this case might involve an ex-President that this case remains unsolved.
ETA: Oh, and it's probably because this case might involve an ex-President that this case remains unsolved.
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It's a good law, but IDK why they are reporting it as a new law? It's about a decade old.
It only showed up on the public radar recently it seems.
I certainly had not heard about it before.
King Arts
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It’s still not a smart idea. Even if you kill the cop and his partner who are corrupt back up will be coming and cops are unlikely to want to take in cop killers alive.
This should be the law of the land in all states and territories. Should just be part of castle doctrine. Holding police. prosecutors, and judges accountable would certainly keep it from being needed as much, though.
Tyzuris
Primarch to your glory& the glory of him on Earth!
Yeah.
The first thing that needs to go is the foxes guarding the henhouses and by which I mean the cops should no longer have the privilege of investigating claims of their own misuse of power. There should be either a federal or state level authority who doesn't consist of cops and their purpose would be to investigate cops and then give recommendations (or possibly have the authority to levy a punishment) for if a cop should be punished and how.
And there's been many news of prosecutors sitting on evidence that could exonerate a defendant, and they maliciously don't share it with defense, etc... and these prosecutor scum don't get punished and can just continue on with their lives even if they get caught like nothing happened. Even if a defendant has been executed, the same scummy power-tripping prosecutor gets to go home to their spouses and kids and have that pension waiting for them. There needs to be a lot of narrowing down the prosecutor immunity and maliciously acting ones need to get their law licenses revoked and get their pensions ripped away from them and get thrown into prisons. If all a prosecutor gets for malicious misuse of power is some bad press and maybe a lost election to a DA position, then the system is just rotten and not worthy of respect.