... But they did it, so does it matter? "Oh, I'm so sad I abused people". Maybe just don't abuse people.
Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion
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bintananth
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Your Libertarian ass doesn't understand that doing distasteful things is sometimes necessary. Those cops think what they were told to do wasn't necessary and proper.
But they did it anyways.
Fuck em.
"Oh I thought it was terrible but I did it anyways," is no excuse. "Just following orders" is not an excuse for abusing people. That's a cowardly response. Stand up and say no.
Do you even read what you write? The cops knew it wasn't necessary, but did it anyways. Fuck them goosesteppers.
Also, I do understand doing necessary evil. My whole series of posts in the Conscription thread were saying that it's a necessary evil. But this wasn't necessary. You admit that right here:
In fact, none of the drug war is necessary. It's a stupid ass waste of money and freedom at the altar of control and 'safety'.
Typhonis
Well-known member
Combined with the War on Terror and War on Poverty and you have the mess we are in today.
Somehow some way Officer Tatum will try and make an excuse for them.
It is a long Story but the long and short of it is. It is not that we could not win the war on Drugs. It is the powers that be would not let us win it. Back in the Early 90s my unit was part of an Anti Drug taskforce in the Carribbean. It was comprised of the DEA, The US Coast Guard, The US Navy and the USMC. Our task was to track down and take out all Colombian Drug trafficing in the Island chains down their. The Full might of the US Military was brought to bare on the Colombian Cartels and they got wrecked. We raided their secret island transfer locations, We sank their boats, We forced down and if they ran shot down their planes. In a span of one year we had grinded all of their activity at sea to a halt. They were forced to try and move everything over land. But a funny thing happened.
A few Congressmen and Senators began to curiously throw a hissy fit. They were wondering why the US Military was taking down the Drug Trafficers. Our Brass told them the DEA came to us for help because they were overwhelmed. The Congressman and Senators basically ordered the Navy and the USMC to stand down and let the DEA and Coast Guard deal with the Cartels. We did so begrudgingly. And in a matter of a few months the Cartels were once again overwhelming the DEA and Coast Guard. So don't for one second think that the Drug War could not be won. The powers that be Both Democrat and Republican won't let it be won.
DarthOne
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Exactly this. That and the CIA basically helping fund the drug cartels. I’m so sick of hearing how we ‘can’t win the war on drugs’; that’s what they want us to think.
Eh, no, no it could not have.
Short of annexing Mexico, Canada, and possibly large portions of the Pacific and Caribbean, drugs of all types were going to keep coming in.
And no one in DC was going to allow that sort of imperialist action, or really wanted it.
Plus, the CIA uses drug cartels as slush fund sources, and a former head of the DEA said in court that most of the time when they got to the point of being about to nab, or having nabbed, a cartel head, they turned out to be a CIA asset. Because the cartels we don't control, the CCP does.
The Drug War/Cartels Wars are a proxy war between different groups of cartels and criminal groups backed by the US, CCP, and other international players.
Honestly, the "War on Drugs" was just an excuse to gain more power for the Federal government and to militarize the police, and it's basically been used as an election slogan. Prohibition should have been a lesson, but the only lesson the government learned was how much power it had gained them.
Simply put, the war on drugs was not worth fighting. The war on drugs is a war for a nanny state and overreaching federal government that's sold as 'protecting children'. Yes, heroin and meth are bad for you. Also, it's not the federal governments business to stop you taking them, as they'll use that as a pretext to power grab.
See, your example is exactly why it shouldn't have been fought. The people in power do not want to win the war, they want to endlessly fight the war and gain from the fighting. In the drug war, the endless fight gives them more excuses to expand the state along other benefits. The war on drugs would never be won, because the war on drugs was really a war on your rights and freedoms and wealth.
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We shutdown everything in the Carribbean that year. Nothing was getting through. The Powers that be did not like that so we were stopped.
...there are more drug corridors than just the Carribbean.
And you still won't even acknowledge that the powers that be effectively control half the cartels anyway in their proxy criminal war with the CCP in Mexico.
The people above you were never interested in 'winning' the Drug War, and frankly have vested interest in the Drug War being an eternal stalemate. Not to mention none of them have learned from Prohibition, but the 'tough on crime' aspect of the War on Drugs is good for election purposes.
All you likely did was take out competition for the IC's favored cartels.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
I’m sure that a high percentage of people in gulags, concentration camps, dungeons, torture chambers, and mass graves were put there by people who didn’t like the orders that they were given. But they still followed those orders and that’s what mattered. Hundreds of millions of people have been killed by people following orders that they didn’t like and their personal reluctance didn’t make their victims any less dead.
When I see threads like this one or do serious research into some of the actions committed by law enforcement, I feel pretty confident that, if at some point in the future, the order ever comes down to round up dissidents and execute them, that more than enough US law enforcement will obey to make it happen.
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Wargamer08
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Shit what do you think all the arrests for wrongthink are, the UK especially is hard into that? Obedience is a habit.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
The war on drugs has achieved exactly what the people who first started it intended it to accomplish; keep the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (now the Drug Enforcement Administration) funded and employed.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Speaking of rounding up people and putting them into gulags - the War on Drugs is laying the foundations for that. Late night no knock warrants, civil forfeiture, militarization of police, brutal enforcement of victimless crimes, contriving justifications for stopping and searching people, desensitized police to obeying unpleasant orders as we have already mentioned, creating an antagonistic atmosphere between police and the citizens. The War on Drugs is bad by itself, but it will likely lead to even worse things.
Typhonis
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So what can happen to a city that refuses to obey a court order?