The 1903 and 1922 conclaves both lasted five days, and are the only conclaves since the turn of the century to be that long; all other conclaves since then have been two to four days. The only truly long conclave in the last 200-odd years was 1831, which took 51 days.
Pope Francis Has Died
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The 1903 and 1922 conclaves both lasted five days, and are the only conclaves since the turn of the century to be that long; all other conclaves since then have been two to four days. The only truly long conclave in the last 200-odd years was 1831, which took 51 days.
SoliFortissimi
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This year has been great for American Catholics.
mrttao
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Because someone from their country with the same skin color as them got elected?
Would have been better if a real strict catholic who adheres to the scriptures and cleans up the church
SoliFortissimi
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But that wouldn't have represented the interests of American Catholics.
American Catholics care about America and Catholicism. not American Catholicism as it's own identity. They want a strong America because that is good for America. They want a Catholic Pope who leads the flock well in spiritual matters because that is important. they in general don't care where the pope is from. They care how he uses his position to lead the church. you are looking at it from Identity politics group think instead of thinking about how the people of that identity would actually want politics and spirituality handled.
SoliFortissimi
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I was making a joke about Catholic corruption.
They would have been better off with the african guy.
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I have discovered a major problem with this new pope, one that is leading me to have to seriously reconsider whether I could possibly support him or follow him in any way shape or form. A problem that strikes directly towards his good judgement, his wisdom, and his intelligence. Discovering this information has rattled me a great deal...
I am very unhappy about this realization, it is shattering and is keeping me awake tonight.
The new pope...
Is a Chicago White Sox fan.
I have discovered a major problem with this new pope, one that is leading me to have to seriously reconsider whether I could possibly support him or follow him in any way shape or form. A problem that strikes directly towards his good judgement, his wisdom, and his intelligence. Discovering this information has rattled me a great deal...
I am very unhappy about this realization, it is shattering and is keeping me awake tonight.
The new pope...
Is a Chicago White Sox fan.
as disheartening as the news is it is important to remember that only god and Jesus are perfect. even the pope is a flawed human. we should however pray for him to find a better team to support.
SoliFortissimi
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Yes, but they'd have hated it. As you know, religious extremists aren't great at rational decision making.
I mean most people's problem with LGBTQ people in the Church isn't so much saying that they can't come to church or pray or ask for forgiveness of their sins outside the bedroom, but the fact that religious marriages of them is being suggested and openly promoted more and more within the Church, in spite of it being completely out of line with Biblical teaching, at that point they aren't asking for simple forgiveness of a personal sin unconnected with their sexuality, they are sinning openly against Gods wishes and asking/demanding that they be blessed in continually sinning against God by his clergy, which is the very definition of a unholy union.
Then you should be pleased that Pope Leo XIV has made his views on gender ideology and LGBT issues very clear, he is opposed to both as well as feminist infiltration of priestly roles.
SoliFortissimi
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But what are his views on science, the free market, and religious liberty?
*Shrugs* It's not my business to be pleased on the issue; it's God approval we must seek on religious matters. In any case I was simply stated the facts of why LGBTQ encroachment in the Church is feared, not that Leo XIV is in anyway committed to that move himself, although the Catholic Chruch may still drift that way anyway over the long haul, so who knows?
It ultimately boils down to the fear that humanistic moral principles will overtake religious morality and subvert the Church from within, that fear is prevalent in all Christian denominations not just the Catholics, although it's worse for them, due to centralization of power leading to fears of top down enforcement and the numbers of believers involved, it's not personal.
That they will mean essentially nothing in the Kingdom of Heaven?
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likely that
1) Science is trying to work out the rules of the universe that god created
2) the Free market is generally good but is not the only good to consider and Communism is an anti-religious doctrine that can't work with Catholicism
3) people are free to choose not to accept Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior and burn in hell as a consequence
those are pretty much the basic bitch catholic positions and the guy is pretty much an unknown as far as most issues go.
TL;DW
Prevost's actions in Peru. Or rather, his lack of action... sort of. The case is just really weird. An investigation may or may not have occurred. He told these ladies to engage the police (lol, in Peru? good luck), that went nowhere, and in the end the internal "investigation" just didn't happen. Typical Novus Ordo ass covering. His actions after appointment to Dicastery of Bishops, however, are... alarming. For some reason, the canon lawyer(canonist?) that was representing the 3 women abused in the case was outright stripped of his license in the middle of his advocacy. That, as you would imagine, killed the case in its tracks. If you believe that's coincidental, I have a bridge to sell you.
Video is sedevacantist, so feel free to skip that beginning part about validity. Not relevant, if you don't believe that anyway. If you do want to hear that part, just start from the beginning instead of the timestamp.
This isn't complicated theology. This is a failure of pastoring. If your local pastor says stuff like this, you should leave. If my pastor said this, I would leave. This is completely contrary to the gospel and really really bad. I absolutely think Francis was a simply horrible pope, because he couldn't even articulate what it meant to be saved.
Worse, as I point out above, it's not even the qualifications to be a pastor. Knowing that Jesus is the way, singular, is something that all laity should know.
And again you are falling prey to a fundamental misunderstanding of Christian theology. Jesus is indeed the way, the truth, and the light, but He comes to people where they are at, in ways that they can understand, throughout all of time and history. 'By their fruits thou shalt know them' and all of that. Lumen Gentium is a good read on the topic.
MarkWarrior
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So, I'm a Protestant. My only hope for the Catholic Church and this new pope is that God's will be done and that people are restored to Christ.