Megadeath
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Well, by all appearances the American education system also doesn't do a great job at english skills. Reading, writing, comprehension etc.
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That's just me being lazy.
Megadeath
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Well, I didn't mean just that. I was actually just as much referring to cherico replying to a post where I explicitly and specifically said I wasn't claiming something, and interpreted as me in fact claiming exactly that. I would argue though that laziness in writing is at least suggestive of bad education.
Blasterbot
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it really does suck at teaching anything. it is however really good at ingraining in kids that everything in america was good and then the spanish arrived. then the white settlers came murdered a bunch of natives, brought over a bunch of african slaves that they picked up on the way, and did all of this while oppressing the women and LGBTQAIP2+. so there is that at least. but english is an imperialist language that is evil. math is white supremecy. STEM doesn't need men to apply. History is precisely what they tell you to write. If you are ahead in a class shut up and sit down Billy needs to be the one to take 5 minutes to carefully sound out every word in this paragraph.
Typhonis
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The problem is twofold. Different children learn at different rates and in different ways. Boys do not learn the same way girls do and most education is done by women and not men thus they are more inclined to use methods that girls react too better. I wonder if we will do better if we had AI teaching children at their own rate?
Blasterbot
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depends on who writes the algorithms.
I had to go outside the school system for that. admittedly once in like 3rd grade my teacher talked a fair bit about how during the civil war while a fair portion of the men folk were away the Natives came around and burned all but 2 buildings in town down. that was a fun lesson. it then turned into a how it was awful that the chief was later shot dead in a field while picking strawberries. so the lesson still ended with white folk were the bad guys.
I have southern, Georgian, education system teaching me about it all.
Most of my history teachers have been males also.
Fucking Sabaton is a better history teach than the modern US educational system in many regards.
I mean, they are a wonderful teaching tool.
So os Civil War (the band).
The thing is, I still don't get what yall are talking about with history lessons
Blasterbot
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My grandma taught me how to read before I went to school. I also learned the basics of math. I learned more from the history channel (before it was all pawn stars and ancient aliens) than I did from any history teacher. I learned more from The Magic School Bus than I did in science class till high school. I was reading at a college level before the first semester of 6th grade was over. I was still in special ed classes. I mostly just played Yu-Gi-Oh there. Bluntly school was taxpayer funded daycare and was not even well priced for it.
Yep!
Up until the 16th/17th centuries, entire English, Cornish, and Welsh coastal villages would disappear overnight because of Barbary slave traders raiding the coasts, especially for White girls/women.
The British Empire, at great national cost (I think we only repaid the debt spent like twenty years go?), outlawed slavery in the Empire, and any slave that set foot on British land, including ships, was automatically freed.
Blacks enslaved other Blacks first; Europeans just became their best customers for the existing trade because gold/gunpowder/exotic foods. There was no "WAKANANDAAA FOREVVVVAA!" bullshit that's become a meme. Ever.
They don't teach any of that in American schools, and there are YouTube videos of bloody American academics, especially Black professors who are supposedly anti-racist, going "wow, I didn't know that, what the fuck!". Seeing their little brains explode that "Evil Whitey" is a lie is hilarious.
So, yeah.
We don't really learn about the British empire.Yep!
Up until the 16th/17th centuries, entire English, Cornish, and Welsh coastal villages would disappear overnight because of Barbary slave traders raiding the coasts, especially for White girls/women.
The British Empire, at great national cost (I think we only repaid the debt spent like twenty years go?), outlawed slavery in the Empire, and any slave that set foot on British land, including ships, was automatically freed.
Blacks enslaved other Blacks first; Europeans just became their best customers for the existing trade because gold/gunpowder/exotic foods. There was no "WAKANANDAAA FOREVVVVAA!" bullshit that's become a meme. Ever.
They don't teach any of that in American schools, and there are YouTube videos of bloody American academics, especially Black professors who are supposedly anti-racist, going "wow, I didn't know that, what the fuck!". Seeing their little brains explode that "Evil Whitey" is a lie is hilarious.
So, yeah.
I learned plenty about how Africans enslaved Africans in school myself.
I also learned that the Irish and Chinese were basically slaves in all but name even in the US
Nope, no mention of coastal raids for slaves and it's impact on the British outlawing of slavery wholesale gets a mention in any US text book I've seen.Yep!
Up until the 16th/17th centuries, entire English, Cornish, and Welsh coastal villages would disappear overnight because of Barbary slave traders raiding the coasts, especially for White girls/women.
The British Empire, at great national cost (I think we only repaid the debt spent like twenty years go?), outlawed slavery in the Empire, and any slave that set foot on British land, including ships, was automatically freed.
Blacks enslaved other Blacks first; Europeans just became their best customers for the existing trade because gold/gunpowder/exotic foods. There was no "WAKANANDAAA FOREVVVVAA!" bullshit that's become a meme. Ever.
They don't teach any of that in American schools, and there are YouTube videos of bloody American academics, especially Black professors who are supposedly anti-racist, going "wow, I didn't know that, what the fuck!". Seeing their little brains explode that "Evil Whitey" is a lie is hilarious.
So, yeah.
I mean, I understand that a country should focus on its own history and past, but the American schooling system takes it up to eleven to the point where the outside world is practically non-existent... which is ironic, given America's history is a hodgepodge from like four different Empires (French, British, Spanish, and IIRC Portuguese to a small extent?), Native Americans, waves of migration worldwide (Irish, Asians), et cetera.
Not even a mention? Damn, that's... impressive in a sad way.
Blasterbot
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hey we learn about the proto americans. a bit. mostly just that the pilgrims came from there, they liked their coats red, we threw their tea in a harbor... something about Irish too I think. oh and that hundred year kerfuffle with the french. History in the US is mostly just US history with WW1 and WW2. god there was so much about WW2. I think a tiny mention after that about Vietnam being bad too...
Eh, you have to understand our history is contextualized in kicking said empires off this continent, and the whole issue of slavery is...very much more complicated to address here than elsewhere in the world, because of how it is wrapped up in black American culture.
Old world slavery that didn't directly affect the US mostly gets glossed over, at best.
Closest thing out side of it is possibly Viking raids, which are a separate issue not tied to black American's cultural baggage with slavery. Non-Viking raids on the British Isles barely get acknowledged as a thing in US schooling.
This is one of those times where you kinda have the right idea, but also, no, the US is almost purely Anglo in origin. Also, it wasn't Spanish and Portuguese, but Dutch and German that were the other major European influences on early America. We eventually took over a bunch of former Spanish Empire territory, but by that point much of the American culture and history was set and it was well after the US Revolution. And we purchased Alaska from the Russian Empire, but the Portuguese didn't ever hold any north American territory, it was outside their remit from the Pope.
Spain, as far as the US is concerned, only matters in that they triggered the Columbian Exchange. All the early US colonies were settled by English, Scottish, and Irish immigrants from those islands, as well as some German colonists in Pennsylvania. The Dutch influence was very light overall, as while they settled New Netherlands, that colony was taken from them by the English becoming New York... and then run for many years that way, quite divorced from Dutch influence. France didn't really get involved save as an adversary, oh, and their trade with the natives triggering the Beaver War around the Great Lakes which caused a massive migration south by the losers who displaced other tribes thus triggering a fuckton of Indian Wars in the 17th century that both did and did not involve the British colonies.
But the US legal and cultural institutions from Colonial times are very purely British. We have Sheriffs and Counties for goodness sake as our most local political organizations for most States.
Terthna
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When I was in grade school, one of my teachers singled me out and berated me for working too far ahead of the rest of the class in math. Thanks to her, I ended up falling to the back of the pack throughout the rest of my time in the public school system, and never realized my potential with math until I started going to collage.