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No, it's a position that acknowledges the reality a human body hurled out of a car at high speed can still injure/kill people around it.

As for eggs, if you want to sell them 'raw' to a wholesaler who does health checks, fine.

But if you sell foodstuffs to the public in the US, you fall under the health inspectors jurisdiction, particularly when you are doing it at scale and possibly across state lines.

Upton Sinclair's 'The Jungle' and it's expose on the meatpacking industry back in the day hasn't lost any of it's relevance, nor do 'cottage industries' suddenly become immune to the hard physics and biology that cause perishable goods to go bad.

It's not 'raw' foodstuffs that are the problem, it's that people keep trying to sell them under the table without the proper inspections and permits.
Heath and safety standards are important; but from what I understand, the "proper inspections and permits" are usually costed so that any business smaller than a multi-national corporation can't afford them. If such is the case here, can you really begrudge them selling under the table?
 
No, it's a position that acknowledges the reality a human body hurled out of a car at high speed can still injure/kill people around it.

So are you in favour of making non-secured luggage in cars illegal, or are you a hypocrite with double standards? Please answer directly instead constantly dodging the point.


As for eggs, if you want to sell them 'raw' to a wholesaler who does health checks, fine.

I have my own chickens. Never checked. Government doesn't even know they exist. Same goes for about every other family in my village. Many sell these eggs by the side of the road. You know, old style, with an honesty box you can put a few coins in, and then you take a few eggs. Never any thefts, either. (Including theft-by-government, because none of this is submitted on any tax form.)

It must be nightmarish for you, but it appears to have worked out thus far.


But if you sell foodstuffs to the public in the US, you fall under the health inspectors jurisdiction, particularly when you are doing it at scale and possibly across state lines.

Upton Sinclair's 'The Jungle' and it's expose on the meatpacking industry back in the day hasn't lost any of it's relevance, nor do 'cottage industries' suddenly become immune to the hard physics and biology that cause perishable goods to go bad.

It's not 'raw' foodstuffs that are the problem, it's that people keep trying to sell them under the table without the proper inspections and permits.

You are comically missing the point. I can't believe that it's anything other than deliberate ignorance at this stage. Your false assumption is that there's a choice between "Only selling things with a LOICENSE, commoner!" or "complete chaos, NO CHECKS EVER!"

I mean, very British of you; their policemen reason like that, too... but it's nonsense.

Because licences can exist... and not be mandatory. Then you have the security and guarantees of the licence for anyone who desires it, and the freedom to buy unlicenced things for anyone who desires that.

This complexity seems to elude you.
 
Heath and safety standards are important; but from what I understand, the "proper inspections and permits" are usually costed so that any business smaller than a multi-national corporation can't afford them. If such is the case here, can you really begrudge them selling under the table?
Yes, actually, I can.

I think the fees for proper permits should not be burdensome, but I don't think selling perishable foodstuffs under the table and at doing so at scale, is a wise move for many, many reasons.

There are ways to do raw foods right, but it means actually dealing with permitting and health inspections as part of it.
So are you in favour of making non-secured luggage in cars illegal, or are you a hypocrite with double standards? Please answer directly instead constantly dodging the point.
Non-secured luggage isn't what is in question, because unsecured luggage isn't sentient and cannot make decisions.

Making the decision not to buckle up is a personal choice, but 'click-it-or-ticket' laws in the US exist because your personal decision doesn't affect only you, when your body becomes a high-speed projectile.

An unbelted passenger in the backseat can kill a belted passenger in the front seat, without even leaving the vehicle, as well.

I've seen enough bad wrecks, and been in enough car accidents, that you will never convince me that pushing seatbelts is a bad thing.

And yes, unsecured things in the cab can become projectiles too; I lost a cat during a roll-over because she was 'unsecured' in the cab, where as if I had kept her in her travel cage she probably would have been rattled but survived.
I have my own chickens. Never checked. Government doesn't even know they exist. Same goes for about every other family in my village. Many sell these eggs by the side of the road. You know, old style, with an honesty box you can put a few coins in, and then you take a few eggs. Never any thefts, either. (Including theft-by-government, because none of this is submitted on any tax form.)

It must be nightmarish for you, but it appears to have worked out thus far.
I think you should say it's more proper to say your government knows, but doesn't care enough to do something unless there is an outbreak.

Also, remember the US isn't the EU/Europe, and has much stricter food safety laws concerning private sales to the public as a baseline.

We have little roadside stands at farms and the like, selling cherries or fruits, but meat and poultry products are much more tightly regulated than fruit and veggies are.

I think that has to do with how it's often easier to visually confirm a fruit or veggie is safe to consume, versus a 'raw' liquid that has never been through any sort of pathogen control step or a piece of raw meat that could have parasites in it.

If it's for personal consumption, that's usually exempt from food regs, but once you start trying to make revenue with it, then the FDA has jurisdiction.

Only wiggle room is things like lemonade stands and the like, where the food being prepared is likely store bought to begin with, and just mixed with water at home.
You are comically missing the point. I can't believe that it's anything other than deliberate ignorance at this stage. Your false assumption is that there's a choice between "Only selling things with a LOICENSE, commoner!" or "complete anarchy, NO CHECKS EVER!"

I mean, very British of you, their police reasons like that, but it's nonsense.

Because licences can exist... and not be mandatory. Then you have the security and guarantees of the licence for anyone who desires it, and the freedom to buy unlicenced things for anyone who desires that.

This complexity seems to elude you.
No, I just understand the horrors the US food industry used to get away with, and has gotten away with in my own life-time, and that cottage industry is not immune to the same factors.

I also understand the sorts of pathogen and parasites that can be present in 'raw' food, have experienced them myself, and do not have a hateboner against food safety regulations or permitting, only excess fees related to them.
 
Non-secured luggage isn't what is in question, because unsecured luggage isn't sentient and cannot make decisions.

Still dodging the question. The person travelling makes the decision to secure his luggage or not, that person is sentient.

So answer me, which you haven't done yet:

Should it be mandatory to secure any luggage in your car? Should that be forced by the government, too?

Tell us, please. Are you in favour of such regulations or not? Quick answer, yes or no. It's not a hard question.
 
Still dodging the question. The person travelling makes the decision to secure his luggage or not, that person is sentient.

So answer me, which you haven't done yet:

Should it be mandatory to secure any luggage in your car? Should that be forced by the government, too?

Tell us, please. Are you in favour of such regulations or not? Quick answer, yes or no. It's not a hard question.
I am not going to give you the game you want, because I disagree with the premise, so stop trying.
 
You're not willing to face that you're either a hypocrite or a nanny-stater, and that answering a simple question would reveal this instantly.

Very well, I accept your concession of defeat and submission.
That you cannot get your mind around the fact that sometimes food regulatory and safety agencies are necessary and good things, and that cottage industry is not immune to the same factors that large scale operations have to face, is saddening.

That you try to pretend it's a dual option, instead of a spectrum of regulatory views and reasoning that is context dependent, shows how ideologically blinded you are acting and pretending the US and your country/Europe are the same fucking thing again.
 
A dead/dying human body hurled through a windshield is perfectly capable of injuring/killing bystanders in the area around a crash.
I've heard this argument before, but I've literally never heard of this actually happening.

Given the rules of probability around large numbers, and that hundreds of millions of people move around in cars every day, I wouldn't be surprised if it had happened at least once...

But can you actually cite an example?

More relevantly, can you give some reference to this happening frequently enough to be a meaningful issue, or are you more likely to be killed by a falling gumball machine?
 
That you cannot get your mind around the fact that sometimes food regulatory and safety agencies are necessary and good things, and that cottage industry is not immune to the same factors that large scale operations have to face, is saddening.


And you on the other hand cannot get you mind around the fact that the level of the governmental control that you crave does not make food safer, it only makes bureaucratic compliance more expensive for small and medium farmers, so the megacorps can more easily destroy competition. Or do you just have a hateboner for farmers?

I buy raw milk at the nearby farmer, but I could also buy it multiple raw milk wending machines in the town. Pasteurising the raw milk that you buy is not a rocket science, anybody with kitchen can do it and home pasteurised milk is still richer and more nutritious than the processed milk sold in the supermarkets, plus you can make sour cream and other milk products yourself.
Weird to see an are where EU is less retarded than USA
 
The american agricultural system was permafucked the moment we started allowing chemical manufacturers patent GMO crops. Any regulation from that point forward was not for public safety nor to limit the excesses of the food industry; it is solely and completely to extend the market capture of the 4-5 corporations per food industry vertical.

Control the food, control the populace.
 
To my understanding the people who buy raw milk and such are specifically seeking it out. they are also generally personally going to the farmers and requesting it. generally operating at the local level. meaning that concerns for shelf life are a lot less valid. if people want it they will get it. it is hilarious that we are making black market milk a thing.
 
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On the LOTR...YEAH you are absolutely right considering how Galadriel is basically a self centered psychopathic genocidal manipulator in the rings of Power.
Regarding the Spanish leftist is also kinda right, kinda because there wasn't yet that much knowledge of what was happening in the URSS under the other "funny mustache man" and when truth did get out I remember that almost nobody either left or right was listening...that much, probably because Walter Durrantly (a fellow journalist nonetheless ) for some self deluded reason was Papa Stalin mouthpiece side bitch and shielded the regime in the American press and it is the reason while not much later self absorbed wannabe commies like Angela Davis and fellow travellers such as Chomsky had so many field days into being heard instead of being rightfully ignored.
 
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