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[mrttao]

I mean, he takes every Jewish holiday off, and wears a Yamaka every day. It's safe to say he takes his religion seriously.

He is a public persona. A political one at that.
Being very visible about observing holidays and dress code doesn't mean anything for those.

 

[Rocinante]

He is a public persona. A political one at that.
Being very visible about observing holidays and dress code doesn't mean anything for those.

What has Shapiro, who comes from a family of dedicated jews, practices Jewish holidays, wears the Yamaka, takes the holidays off, even when a major event happens, ever done to make people think he doesn't practice?

See, I have all the evidence that he's a practicing Jew on my side. You guys are over here like "yeah, like he even goes to church!"

Stfu and provide some evidence.

 

[mrttao]

What has Shapiro, who comes from a family of dedicated jews, practices Jewish holidays, wears the Yamaka, takes the holidays off, even when a major event happens, ever done to make people think he doesn't practice?

See, I have all the evidence that he's a practicing Jew on my side. You guys are over here like "yeah, like he even goes to church!"

Stfu and provide some evidence.

I didn't say that he isn't a practicing jew.
I said is that your provided evidence about holidays and wearing the kipa is extremely weak due to political public persona.
The family being dedicated one is stronger evidence although still not a certain thing.

My personal opinion is that we cannot tell if he is really one or if it is just a fake persona he puts for his audience since he literally makes his money as an influencer.

Also in regards to holidays, everyone I grew up knowing was an atheist jew and every single one of them celebrated the holidays. because they are holidays, holidays are fun and also a social obligation to get together with the family.
It is only religious if you choose to make it so.

 

[Rocinante]

I didn't say that he isn't a practicing jew.
I said is that your provided evidence about holidays and wearing the kipa is extremely weak due to political public persona.
The family being dedicated one is stronger evidence although still not a certain thing.

My personal opinion is that we cannot tell if he is really one or if it is just a fake persona he puts for his audience since he literally makes his money as an influencer.

Also in regards to holidays, everyone I grew up knowing was an atheist jew and every single one of them celebrated the holidays. because they are holidays, holidays are fun and also a social obligation to get together with the family.
It is only religious if you choose to make it so.

He's married to an Israeli Orthodox Jew.

My personal opinion is that we cannot tell if he is really one or if it is just a fake persona

No, I disagree. I think we have absolute mountains of evidence (his literal hundreds-thousands of hours talking about it count too,) pointing towards the fact that he's a practicing jew are enough to say that the issue is settled until you can provide evidence to the contrary.

Wears the outfit, takes the days off, talks about it consistently, molds his political and moral views around it, visits important jewish sites, parents, sister and wife are all practicing orthodox jews.

It would be far more weird and unbelievable if he WASN'T a practicing jew. Claiming otherwise is nonsense. Claiming you don't know is also nonsense. It's right there in front of you, and there's no evidence the other way.

"My opinion is that we aren't really sure if this is a duck. Sure, it hangs with other ducks, it was given birth by ducks, it's mated with a duck, it looks like a duck, it quacks, flies, and it has feathers and webbed feet, but we can't be sure it's REALLY a duck"

That's what this argument sounds like.

 

[Wargamer08]

He's married to an Israeli Orthodox Jew.


No, I disagree. I think we have absolute mountains of evidence (his literal hundreds-thousands of hours talking about it count too,) pointing towards the fact that he's a practicing jew are enough to say that the issue is settled until you can provide evidence to the contrary.

Wears the outfit, takes the days off, talks about it consistently, molds his political and moral views around it, visits important jewish sites, parents, sister and wife are all practicing orthodox jews.

It would be far more weird and unbelievable if he WASN'T a practicing jew. Claiming otherwise is nonsense. Claiming you don't know is also nonsense. It's right there in front of you, and there's no evidence the other way.

"My opinion is that we aren't really sure if this is a duck. Sure, it hangs with other ducks, it was given birth by ducks, it's mated with a duck, it looks like a duck, it quacks, flies, and it has feathers and webbed feet, but we can't be sure it's REALLY a duck"

That's what this argument sounds like.

It's livelihood depends partly on people seeing it act and look like a duck, therefore there is some doubt as to whether it's just really good performance acting.

Myself, I don't care either way about his faith. I care that he's pretty obviously manufactured "acceptable" right-wing. Dude is as spicy as mint. He's the right-wing heel in a uniparty wrestling act.

 

[mrttao]

He's married to an Israeli Orthodox Jew.


No, I disagree. I think we have absolute mountains of evidence (his literal hundreds-thousands of hours talking about it count too,) pointing towards the fact that he's a practicing jew are enough to say that the issue is settled until you can provide evidence to the contrary.

Wears the outfit, takes the days off, talks about it consistently, molds his political and moral views around it, visits important jewish sites, parents, sister and wife are all practicing orthodox jews.

It would be far more weird and unbelievable if he WASN'T a practicing jew. Claiming otherwise is nonsense. Claiming you don't know is also nonsense. It's right there in front of you, and there's no evidence the other way.

"My opinion is that we aren't really sure if this is a duck. Sure, it hangs with other ducks, it was given birth by ducks, it's mated with a duck, it looks like a duck, it quacks, flies, and it has feathers and webbed feet, but we can't be sure it's REALLY a duck"

That's what this argument sounds like.

Stop acting obtuse.
You are intentionally completely ignoring the financial showmanship aspect.
We have seen time and time again public political personas turning out to have been an act.
While he is not quite a televangelist, he is close to one.

Do you believe that every televangelist doing faith healing and every TV psychic doing seances for the dead is a true believer in what they are selling on TV?

It is incredibly naïve of you to believe that just because someone's full time job is to act like an X on TV that this means he is really is an X.
By your logic every politician is a saint.

 

[Rocinante]

It's livelihood depends partly on people seeing it act and look like a duck, therefore there is some doubt as to whether it's just really good performance acting.

Myself, I don't care either way about his faith. I care that he's pretty obviously manufactured "acceptable" right-wing. Dude is as spicy as mint. He's the right-wing heel in a uniparty wrestling act.

He might have it easier if he wasn't a Jew lol. Most conservatives in this country are Christian.

He's been wearing the yamaka since he was a teenager doing fox news guest pieces.

Its safe to say the guy is a practicing jew, and I have no doubt about it. The level of evidence is more than enough to convict criminals. It's really rather weird, and ridiculous, to argue that he might not be, especially with the lack of ANY evidence, but decades of evidence pointing towards it.

I don't even care for his show. I used to listen a lot, but I don't consider myself. Ben Shapiro fan. I find him annoying these days. But I've watched him sit with people like Jordan Peterson and have deep philosophical debates about faith.

So we can add "enjoys hours long, deep philosophical conversations about his faith," to the pile of evidence.

I mean seriously, I've seen a lot of nonsense in my time, but anyone arguing that Ben fucking Shapiro is not a practicing jew, is so full of it that i just don't have words.

So I challenge anyone to actually show me some evidence that he isn't. We have decades worth of evidence that he is.

 

[Rocinante]

Stop acting obtuse.
You are intentionally completely ignoring the financial showmanship aspect.
We have seen time and time again public political personas turning out to have been an act.
While he is not quite a televangelist, he is close to one.

Do you believe that every televangelist doing faith healing and every TV psychic doing seances for the dead is a true believer in what they are selling on TV?

It is incredibly naïve of you to believe that just because someone's full time job is to act like an X on TV that this means he is really is an X.
By your logic every politician is a saint.

Yeah I'm sure he's not really a practicing jew. Him wearing this yamaka as a child? Just an act. He's playing 4d chess and planning out his career as an independent media personality.

I have decades of evidence that he's a practicing jew.

You've said "oh televangelists exist"

Ok. Show me some actual evidence, or just admit that you're full of shit.

 

[LordsFire]

I'm going to have to at least somewhat chime in with Rocinante here.

If you are so cynical that the fact someone is in the public eye means you will distrust literally anything and everything about them, you are too cynical to be a functional part of the political process.

Either disconnect from mass media and the political process, or do some self-analysis and learn how to discern truth from lies.

 

[Abhorsen]

 

[PsihoKekec]

 

[Him]

Amazin', now I've got Kraven's.

 

[Cherico]

When you own the business, it's your show, and it makes you money, then yeah taking time off for a holiday is a lot different than a wage worker taking days off because they have an excuse. Shapiro can take whatever days off he wants, for whatever reason he wants. He doesn't need holidays "entitled by law" as an excuse. If he wants tomorrow off? He can do that. Doesn't need a reason. It's his show and company. He takes Jewish holidays off, even during absolutely major events, that would get him tons of ratings.

I find Shapiro rather annoying these days, but I've listened to a lot of his show in the past, and I think it's safe to say that he takes his Jewish faith pretty seriously.

he's honestly a better Jew then I am...of course Im very very very very bad at it and failed hebrew school badly.

 

[mrttao]

I'm going to have to at least somewhat chime in with Rocinante here.

If you are so cynical that the fact someone is in the public eye means you will distrust literally anything and everything about them, you are too cynical to be a functional part of the political process.

Either disconnect from mass media and the political process, or do some self-analysis and learn how to discern truth from lies.

Almost every politician I have seen, in multiple countries over multiple decades, has ended up breaking their promises after getting elected into office.
The amount who actually kept promises are vanishingly small. Yet people keep on trusting the lies that politicians spew.
It is you who should disconnect from politics because you are so incredibly naive.

 

[Scottty]

Amazin', now I've got Kraven's.

I believe that I do not speak for myself alone, when I look at some of those old comics and say... "What???"

 

[Bigking321]

As I recall they were ads for various junk foods and were intentionally as ridiculous and attention grabbing as possible. There are quite a few of them.

 

[Him]

I believe that I do not speak for myself alone, when I look at some of those old comics and say... "What???"

Coming to you from earth-51914. Where the worlds conflicts and crime are solved by the dispensing of Hostess Twinkie's.

Not even mighty Galactus can resist their succulent sweetness and fluffy textures...

 

[LordsFire]

Almost every politician I have seen, in multiple countries over multiple decades, has ended up breaking their promises after getting elected into office.
The amount who actually kept promises are vanishingly small. Yet people keep on trusting the lies that politicians spew.
It is you who should disconnect from politics because you are so incredibly naive.

Ben Shapiro is a commentator, not a politician.

He's running a media company, not running for office.

He has done exactly nothing to contradict the idea that he practices religious Judaism.

If you cannot separate this from elected politicians lying, the problem is pretty clearly with you.

 

[mrttao]

Ben Shapiro is a commentator, not a politician.

He's running a media company, not running for office.

He has done exactly nothing to contradict the idea that he practices religious Judaism.

If you cannot separate this from elected politicians lying, the problem is pretty clearly with you.

You seem to have forgotten your own post. The post you quoted is replying to

If you are so cynical that the fact someone is in the public eye means you will distrust literally anything and everything about them, you are too cynical to be a functional part of the political process.

which is a tangent where you expanded and generalized away from discussing ben shapiro to instead discussing the trust of ANYONE who is in the public eye, in particularly those who are part of the "political process".
This is clearly stating that we should just trust politicians. Therefore I replied to you about those who hold political office rather than ben shapiro specifically.

Saying "ben shapiro does not hold political office" is pivoting back to the original argument about ben shapiro. But we were discussing this tangent on whether or not public officials can be trusted.

As for Ben shapiro himself. He is an influencer. His job is making money off of people tuning in to what he has to say in public about politics.
In this regard he is more of a televangelist than a politician. But he televangelizes about political subjects even if he does not run for office.

 

[Bigking321]

What is happening here?

Who cares if Ben is real or faking his faith?

I'd lean more towards it being genuine but in the end it's a personal thing for each person.

Why are people arguing about it?

And to be clear, yeah politicians are shit at it. Oh, lots of prominent dems are catholic. While spitting in the face of catholic beliefs and traditions and supporting blasphemy. Yeah, Ok. Whatever.