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[Wargamer08]

The economy needs a predictable money supply to run efficiently instead of having noisy loss from price fluctuations due to unplanned changes, and fiscal policy driven inflation is predictable while the savings-spending it disincentivizes is not.

If a Beenie Baby crazy kicked off in a thoroughly savings-based economy, you'd see an abrupt surge in the money supply resulting in wholly unanticipated inflation as that money makes its way around, suddenly spiking prices in ways nobody stockpiled the resources to pay for, cascading an extremely abnormal wealth redistribution.

If things enter a depression and literally everyone tightens their belts, then suddenly there is a drastic decline in the money supply, causing a general liquidity crisis from the sudden collapse in availability of the medium of exchange. It drew out the Great Depression, it had a big hand to play in how 2008 went, it's a very real problem.


You cut out the reason. Are you saying that it is wrong for somebody to increase their credit card spending after getting a raise? Because that is the basis from which I am defending a growing face-value sum of government debt, and this basis inverting is definitionally a contraction of the economy.

The numbers and analysis I've seen showed the Great Depression correcting its self before FDR's socialist government intervention extended it.

An increasing amount of national GPD is based on financialization games and service industry instead of resource extraction or the production of goods. Ever increasing borrowing, hedged by circular loaning is a dangerous game. While it let's you put up huge growth numbers and funnel wealth, at some point stuff has to be made.

 

[Simonbob]

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Ok, now I'm thinking a bit, I'll say, there's merit to some of what Morphic said, in that companies need a reasonably stable setup to work in. And, having a stable money supply is a major part of it.

It's a pity that the majority of other things the Govenment does means that theretical positive is only sometimes in play.


If there's less money, or more, isn't a big deal. Well, outside of massive shortfalls, and even then, there are work-arounds. But, when you change the amount, expanding dramaticaly, well, there goes that stablity. Worse still, most companies set up with certain assumptions, like "money'll have a consistant value" and when those assumptions get undermined, so too does the companies in question.


Frankly, as long as there's enough money to cover basic trade, as there was 100 years ago, the amount of money being stable is the most important thing. It allows for saving to work, makes for predicable trading, and gives a firm foundation for ecconomic stuff.


The moment that changes, is when problems start. If it's slow enough, everybody can work with it, or around it. But, the idea that debt is a good thing? No, that's just wrong. Growth based on debt is always fake. It can become real, if the investment is sound enough, but if it isn't........

 

[mrttao]

If there's less money, or more, isn't a big deal. Well, outside of massive shortfalls, and even then, there are work-arounds. But, when you change the amount, expanding dramaticaly, well, there goes that stablity. Worse still, most companies set up with certain assumptions, like "money'll have a consistant value" and when those assumptions get undermined, so too does the companies in question.

A lot of small businesses collapsed coinciding with mass money printing.

 

[Scottty]

That is an extremely stupid way to present the argument
Germ theory is not "a lie".
Nor does germ theory call for mass forced vaccinations.

Rather, Terrain theory should be looked as a complementary and usually (but not always) more important approach. Where the most essential thing is to avoid a compromised immune system. Because "duh"

If germ theory was a lie, then everyone would have HIV and you could avoid HIV via clean living.
You get HIV from an infected person because this specific virus is extremely vulnerable to the environment and requires blood, needle, or sexual contact.

That intelligent people are taking such extreme positions as denial of "germ theory" seriously, is evidence to me of how badly the medical establishment have lost the trust of the general population.

Because by now we all know: Big Pharma does not give a hoot about your health, they just want to keep making huge profits from their patented drugs. In fact, it's more profitable for them if you are chronically sick.

But to deny that dangerous protozoa, bacteria and viruses even exist? Seriously?

 

[Scottty]

EDIT: I love how they've given the Wojak figure an inhuman eye-color. Makes me want to borrow that Roman Catholic priest's water-pistol and see what happens if one uses it on people like that...

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

EDIT: I love how they've given the Wojak figure an inhuman eye-color. Makes me want to borrow that Roman Catholic priest's water-pistol and see what happens if one uses it on people like that...

I've made it a personal point of pride to tell people who demand 'source!? DO YOU HAVE A SOURCE?!!' for every little thing, to go back to reddit.

 

[Rocinante]

I've made it a personal point of pride to tell people who demand 'source!? DO YOU HAVE A SOURCE?!!' for every little thing, to go back to reddit.

Yeah they just will dismiss any source you provide anyways.

It's sometimes pointless to waste your time.

Some things are just obviously true, or really easy to look up. I tell people they can do their own homework.

 

[Scottty]

 

[Scottty]

 

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[Zyobot]

I've made it a personal point of pride to tell people who demand 'source!? DO YOU HAVE A SOURCE?!!' for every little thing, to go back to reddit.

Yeah they just will dismiss any source you provide anyways.

It's sometimes pointless to waste your time.

Some things are just obviously true, or really easy to look up. I tell people they can do their own homework.

There's also how last time I checked, these are the same people who tell everyone who's not in their bubble already to "Educate yourself!" or "Look it up!". At least, that's what I recall of Twitter back in the late '10s, though I'd assume Leftists everywhere else (including Reddit) are much the same way now.

 

[Rocinante]

There's also how last time I checked, these are the same people who tell everyone not in their bubble already to "Educate yourself!" or "Look it up!". At least, that's what I recall of Twitter back in the late '10s, though I'd assume Leftists everywhere else (including Reddit) are much the same.

"Read something and educate yourself "

"Okay. What should I read?"

"I do not owe you my emotional labor!"

Is essentially how that conversation goes.

 

[Zyobot]

"Read something and educate yourself "

"Okay. What should I read?"

"I do not owe you my emotional labor!"

Is essentially how that conversation goes.

Then, of course, they turn back around just a few years later and demand sources from you on far more basic things that should be obvious to anyone.

Even then, I'm betting we'll reach the point where you can forward them everything they could possibly want, and they'll still complain about the "emotional labor" of sifting through sources they didn't even have to track down themselves! Really, they're the kind of insufferable babies who make social conflict inevitable by throwing one tantrum too many.

 

[The One Char]

Then, of course, they turn back around just a few years later and demand sources from you on far more basic things that should be obvious to anyone.

Even then, I'm betting we'll reach the point where you can forward them everything they could possibly want, and they'll still complain about the "emotional labor" of sifting through sources they didn't even have to track down themselves! Really, they're the kind of insufferable babies who make social conflict inevitable by throwing one tantrum too many.

They've already done that they call it "gish gallop".

 

[Zyobot]

They've already done that they call it "gish gallop".

Of course they have. 🤦‍♂️

If their standard of satisfaction is "Cave or else, bigot!", they sure as hell won't like what they're getting instead.

Apart from anything else, I hope the takeaway for future generations is that baiting and belittling others while enriching your preferred cliques turns them into the very monsters you were so scared of.

Even then, the "youthful revivalist" bigots of tomorrow may be more hateful and set in their ways than the "old-school" kind from our grandparents' generation. While the latter may have been peacefully convinced and can enjoy retirement without so much as knowing what the BLM or OnlyFans ruckus is about, the former grew up with it and will feel too stabbed in the back to give the "out-groups" another chance once the actual shooting starts.

 

[LordsFire]

"Read something and educate yourself "

The correct response to this is "I did, and you're wrong about basically everything."

 

[mrttao]

That intelligent people are taking such extreme positions as denial of "germ theory" seriously, is evidence to me of how badly the medical establishment have lost the trust of the general population.

Because by now we all know: Big Pharma does not give a hoot about your health, they just want to keep making huge profits from their patented drugs. In fact, it's more profitable for them if you are chronically sick.

But to deny that dangerous protozoa, bacteria and viruses even exist? Seriously?

Yea. Big pharma is definitely a huge enemy. And should be treated as such.
Honestly, we need some local govt acting against them by doing things like setting up a generic drugs factory in every state. To kill off their profits.
And pushing legislation to just dump all their patents into public domain as punishment for their many crimes. I mean actual convicted in courts crimes. Like every year they get fined for being convicted of bribery and the like.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Yea. Big pharma is definitely a huge enemy. And should be treated as such.
Honestly, we need some local govt acting against them by doing things like setting up a generic drugs factory in every state. To kill off their profits.
And pushing legislation to just dump all their patents into public domain as punishment for their many crimes. I mean actual convicted in courts crimes. Like every year they get fined for being convicted of bribery and the like.

IP laws need to be revisited, Aside from that the FDA makes things a pain in the ass for alternatives too.

 

[S'task]

A big part of the problem with IP laws and drugs is the interplay between R&D, when you need to file for Patents, when Patent timers start ticking, and the FDA drug approval process.

The entire set up needs revising but it needs to be holistic in approach, and not just "shorten patent times" or anything.

Consider: when does a patent start to tick? For most things it starts from the time of filing the patent. This makes a sense; however, for drugs this leads to a problem, you see, you have to have your patent filed BEFORE you can file for FDA approval for distribution of your new drug. Meanwhile, the FDA approval process can take up to a DECADE for various testing and approvals before the drug can go to market.

So if you set your patent length as a decade or something less than it or even just slightly short of it... well look at that, the company that spent the money on R&D has already lost the patent by the time they can bring the drug to market and is now undercut on cost by a generic drug company.

Remember the core purpose of a patent is to allow the inventor of something to recoup and profit off the time spent researching and developing a product. If you set up your system where they cannot do that, that will stall out R&D in those areas.

The obvious compromise is for patent timers to only start ticking once the drug is approved for distribution by the FDA. The problem with that is that this means that the newest and most effective drugs developed may well be very expensive for a decade before generic drugmakers can come in and lower the price, as the original company has to price their drugs at a price point that covers both the manufacture of the drug now but ALSO to cover the expense of R&D and approval of the drug.

 

[Aldarion]

EDIT: I love how they've given the Wojak figure an inhuman eye-color. Makes me want to borrow that Roman Catholic priest's water-pistol and see what happens if one uses it on people like that...