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If that's meant for storing liquid propane it's probably sturdy enough for underwater exploration of the Ohio River. 167ft. at the deepest point is approx. 87.0psia (72.3psig). The relief valves for those tanks are set at around 375psig.
 
> Fatphobia gives people low self esteem
> Obesity is very healthy and there is nothing wrong it

someone please inform my body that fat is healthy. it is currently trying to murder me for being too fat
The joke here is that the first quote is an actual butcher discussing how to properly cut meat. Reddit's idiot shamebot that just goes around wokescolding people couldn't tell and started yelling at actual butchers for discussing trimming fat off their cuts.
 
We hardly have enough sidewalks as is in America. I mean have you seen what suburbia and urban planning have done? Sidewalks are an afterthought at best or nonexistent at worst. There are places in America where you have to walk alongside of the street because there are no sidewalks.


I heard one rumor where Houston Texas has a bridge with 8 lanes for traffic, none for pedestrians. Makes you wonder if someone is planning this.
All urban areas I've been in have sidewalks paralleling all roads excepted limited access highways. Any bridge with 8 lanes for traffic is likely part of a limited highway access system and you actively do not want pedestrians on those, that's the entire POINT of a limited access highway. Further if you're a pedestrian you'd not even WANT to be walking along those limited access highways in urban areas as they're not actually useful for getting to your destination and often have interchanges that just add on massive amounts of distance.

Most suburban areas I've been in either also have sidewalks if they're a commercial shopping area, or are low enough road speeds that sidewalks are unnecessary (IE, suburban residential neighborhoods).

Now, yes, in most rural areas there are not any sidewalks along the roads. The reason for that is quite simple: cost vs use. Rural areas don't see enough pedestrian foot traffic to justify the cost of building and maintaining those sidewalks. It has nothing to do with "urban planning".
 
Yeah, those old lights? Gas filled and sooty. Modernity caused cleaner, more effective lighting. Oh noes.

We very easily could have created cleaner more efficiant lighting and had the lights remain assetically pleasing. This isn't an binary choice we could have very easily had both and with improvements on technology the price of creating beautiful things actually goes down.

Right now the western world of late modernity is in a pretty ugly phase, but I belive when its over we will as a civilization create beautiful lasting things once more.
 
We very easily could have created cleaner more efficiant lighting and had the lights remain assetically pleasing. This isn't an binary choice we could have very easily had both and with improvements on technology the price of creating beautiful things actually goes down.

Right now the western world of late modernity is in a pretty ugly phase, but I belive when its over we will as a civilization create beautiful lasting things once more.
The light pole needed to get taller and point down once the light became stronger. It needed to point down so that the light wasn't directly in the view of drivers so as not to blind them. And get taller, because it could light more space per light, so less light poles were needed. Form ought to follow function. Now that we have the basic form, which is designed around keeping the light source out of the field of view, why in hell would one bother making it pretty?

Second, the idea that what a government builds should be pretty is another issue. I honestly prefer ugly government buildings because it reminds people that government is an ugly thing at best, and stops pretending to be 'good'. Pretty government buildings are makeup on an open wound.

As an aside, money spent making it pretty is tax payer money wasted.

So anyway, sign me up for ugly-ass light poles.
 
What does that have to do with anything? Point is that we have, somehow, come to believe that ugliness is acceptable.

Technological limitations are so completely irrelevant to the topic it isn't even funny.
No, they are entirely relevant. The form needed by a lighting fixture now is one that is far above the sightlines of people. Thus it could be a mona lisa, and it would still be a waste. No one cares how beautiful the interior of sewer pipes are. The same logic applies here. The only thing visible is a pole.

Second, we should not make the government pretty. Things the government owns should always look ugly so that government is never trusted.

Look, if you were complaining about a church, I would have had no issue. But about this? Where a radically different technology meant that the needed form was not one that would look pretty, but instead one that was best served by not drawing attention to itself? That's not even an issue.
 
No, they are entirely relevant. The form needed by a lighting fixture now is one that is far above the sightlines of people. Thus it could be a mona lisa, and it would still be a waste. No one cares how beautiful the interior of sewer pipes are. The same logic applies here. The only thing visible is a pole.

Second, we should not make the government pretty. Things the government owns should always look ugly so that government is never trusted.

Look, if you were complaining about a church, I would have had no issue. But about this? Where a radically different technology meant that the needed form was not one that would look pretty, but instead one that was best served by not drawing attention to itself? That's not even an issue.
If you were saying this is the most effective form for cost then I would be fine with it. deliberately making things ugly is how you get soviet brutalist architecture. hard pass on that.
 
No, they are entirely relevant. The form needed by a lighting fixture now is one that is far above the sightlines of people. Thus it could be a mona lisa, and it would still be a waste. No one cares how beautiful the interior of sewer pipes are. The same logic applies here. The only thing visible is a pole.

Second, we should not make the government pretty. Things the government owns should always look ugly so that government is never trusted.

Look, if you were complaining about a church, I would have had no issue. But about this? Where a radically different technology meant that the needed form was not one that would look pretty, but instead one that was best served by not drawing attention to itself? That's not even an issue.
And the pole is just as featureless as the rest of it. Fact is, literally everything about today's society is ugly. The architecture, the infrastructure, the food, the people... modernity itself is the problem. It is literally the Communist logic of "blank slate" and interchangeable parts, of Homo Economicus.
 
If you were saying this is the most effective form for cost then I would be fine with it. deliberately making things ugly is how you get soviet brutalist architecture. hard pass on that.
I want brutalist architecture on government buildings, and only government buildings. No one should respect a government building or like to look at it. Each one is a stain and should look like a scar on the face of our nation. I don't want evil to look pretty, simple as.

One of the reasons brutalism is so hated isn't just that it's ugly: it's that we all know it stands for something evil, so we call it ugly. There's no way for a KGB building to be pretty. If it looked like the Taj Mahal, it would just make the Taj Mahal uglier for the association. So no, let's not poison architecture by associating it with government.

And the pole is just as featureless as the rest of it. Fact is, literally everything about today's society is ugly. The architecture, the infrastructure, the food, the people... modernity itself is the problem. It is literally the Communist logic of "blank slate" and interchangeable parts, of Homo Economicus.
Homo Economicus isn't the idea that a human is a blank slate. It actually is fully aware that people are different and have different wants. It's very not samey. People get it just so wrong.

It's that a human selfishly and rationally (rigorously defined in a specific way, not some hyper smart person with cold rationality) pursues their desires, whatever those desires may be. Understand that rational to an economist is very different that rational as used colloquially. For example, a drug addicted man selling everything and making a very risk choices to buy their next hit? Entirely economically rational.

What isn't economically rational, and where does it break down? One major example are gift economies like Christmas, etc, especially where reciprocity is expected. It's also not a long term sort of function, and is best used in micro economics, IMO.


So, getting to the pole itself, sure it's featureless. I don't think it should be pretty. Pretty should be found in the things made consensually. The cars are gorgeous IMO. Different, but they try to be sleek and aggressive, and I like it. Phones have come a long way from their early cinderblock look.

Look, if you had come here complaining about a brutalist church, I would have been on your side. But this is a pole, and it needs to be a pole. It's pretty hard to pretty up a pole no matter how much you try. And on top of that, it's a government made pole. It should be ugly.

You know what place had really pretty infrastructure? Moscow. You should hear Bernie Sanders rave about how gorgeous the train station was, how nice it was that the subways had chandeliers. And he isn't lying, it was pretty. But it was built by slavery, and was an pretty veneer over an ugly truth that idiots buy into. So no, government built stuff should look ugly. That's a goal in and of itself. This means government built infrastructure, government built buildings, etc.
 
I want brutalist architecture on government buildings, and only government buildings. No one should respect a government building or like to look at it. Each one is a stain and should look like a scar on the face of our nation. I don't want evil to look pretty, simple as.
What do you think of an inverted pyramid build inside a tapped out strip mine.
 
What do you think of an inverted pyramid build inside a tapped out strip mine.
It's ugly. If government did it, then don't let them waste more money fixing it, leave it there as a monument to how the government hates you, or fix it through the free market showing off how it can fix problems. If a non-government owned company did it, then yeah, it's ugly, and I'd prefer they fix it, but they aren't morally obligated to do so.

All of the above paragraphs are assuming no negative externalities outside of the pit being a pit. I.e. if it becomes a toxic lake threatening ground water and migrating geese, then (if government) you want them to fix it up to stop actively harming people, or (if a company) they are obligated to clean it up as a clear externality of their business.

So, to that end, the Pentagon should be uglier?
Oh, most definitely! But then, I don't see a reason to waste taxpayers money in purposely going and making it uglier either. If I was gonna waste taxpayers money on this, I'd start by make the congress and congressional offices into a cramped, preferably leaky, brutalist building, but a lot of doors, every door is see through (maybe a plexiglass), and easy to access from the outside.

Basically, a government is a wolf that uses architecture to look like a sheep. No, I want it to look like a wolf.
 
It's pretty hard to pretty up a pole no matter how much you try.
No, it is not. I have seen road safety poles that look utterly gorgerous. You don't even need to pretty up the entire pole, or pretty it up all that much. Some decoration up to the eye or even just waist level and then simple fluting or even just flat surfaces upwards until the lamphead would be more than sufficient.

Regarding the rest of your post: government is element of society, and just as with the rest of it, it is a reflection of psychology. So if governmental stuff looks ugly, chances are that the entire society is already ugly to begin with. You never get ugly governmental buildings and only ugly governmental buildings. Every time governmental architecture gets ugly, religious and communal architecture had gotten ugly alongside it. So while I understand the sentiment, do consider the implications.
You know what place had really pretty infrastructure? Moscow. You should hear Bernie Sanders rave about how gorgeous the train station was, how nice it was that the subways had chandeliers. And he isn't lying, it was pretty. But it was built by slavery, and was an pretty veneer over an ugly truth that idiots buy into. So no, government built stuff should look ugly. That's a goal in and of itself. This means government built infrastructure, government built buildings, etc.
Literally everything beautiful in Moscow was built during the Tsarist times. Which, for all the flaws, were far better than anything and everything that came afterwards. And in fact the Tsarist Russia was on the way to fixing most of its issues when World War I happened.

Soviet socialist architecture? Bloody ugly:

Ugly architecture is a reflection of ugly spirit. That is a rule with no exceptions. Nazi architecture was ugly despite attempting to imitate largely beautiful classical architecture. And today's architecture is even uglier than Nazi architecture.
 
The light pole needed to get taller and point down once the light became stronger. It needed to point down so that the light wasn't directly in the view of drivers so as not to blind them. And get taller, because it could light more space per light, so less light poles were needed. Form ought to follow function. Now that we have the basic form, which is designed around keeping the light source out of the field of view, why in hell would one bother making it pretty?

Second, the idea that what a government builds should be pretty is another issue. I honestly prefer ugly government buildings because it reminds people that government is an ugly thing at best, and stops pretending to be 'good'. Pretty government buildings are makeup on an open wound.

As an aside, money spent making it pretty is tax payer money wasted.

So anyway, sign me up for ugly-ass light poles.
Enlighten me please.
Why exactly can't you take the light pole on the left and put an electric light in it?

is it gremlins? will gremlins eat the electric lightbulb if it is placed in a pretty metal pole instead of an ugly one?
 

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