Which is why i am calling now, that a Democrat is winning 2024.
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Terthna
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He was the best president we've had so far in my lifetime; but that doesn't mean we can't do much, much better.
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I think Desantis is a good politician but he's still a politician at the end of the day.
So is Trump though.
Removing Trump only hurts with people who would already be voting R anyway; DeSantis has more broad spectrum appeal and less ego to sooth/less baggage than Trump.
I think Trump had 2020 stolen from him, but he needs to bow out; he's doing more harm than good for the Right these days.
I don't think supporting a better candidate that just mopped the fucking floor in Florida over the egocentric bombastic loud mouth who tends to hurt the party is playing into a psyop
Trump's ego and pettiness are no psy-op; those have always been there, and Trump proved he could not put them aside when he entered officer.
The Dems did lie about Trump regularly, but Trump often made it incredibly easy for them
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And people call me blackpilled.
So there are a bunch of reasons for the lackluster performance.
First off is the whole abortion issue.
Then there is the scaremongering about the Republicans wanting to destroy democracy.
Also, in early crisis there might be at least some degree of incumbent advsntege so that could explain why particular places decided to stick with their corrupt democrat politicians, you know, aside for the usual political machines and grift and vote buying, a lot of which happened with Build Back Better type shit.Also, something something not changing a horse mid-race, or rather, mid-war, hint, hint, nudge, nudge.
And of course the usual RINO suspects were running interference against MAGA candidates.Like some RINO bigwigs blocking funding for people they disliked.
But above all, like Turley pointed, this is more geographic segregation between the left and the right.
This phenomenon appears to be growing in recent years
So there are a bunch of reasons for the lackluster performance.
First off is the whole abortion issue.
Then there is the scaremongering about the Republicans wanting to destroy democracy.
Also, in early crisis there might be at least some degree of incumbent advsntege so that could explain why particular places decided to stick with their corrupt democrat politicians, you know, aside for the usual political machines and grift and vote buying, a lot of which happened with Build Back Better type shit.Also, something something not changing a horse mid-race, or rather, mid-war, hint, hint, nudge, nudge.
And of course the usual RINO suspects were running interference against MAGA candidates.Like some RINO bigwigs blocking funding for people they disliked.
But above all, like Turley pointed, this is more geographic segregation between the left and the right.
This phenomenon appears to be growing in recent years
I'm not really sure of this: Trump got a lot of non-republicans to vote republican. If Trump was removed from the GOP in some way, I'm not sure the the GOP wouldn't be kicking out lots of people with him.
Or, taking as a given that Trump's ego demands he runs again, post the conspiring needed to keep him out, would that leave the party stronger or weaker?
Trump is the first republican I ever voted for.
I still think DeSantis is a far better option for 2024, and have been saying this for over a year now.
I'll still vote for Trump in 2024 if he's the guy.
I just think we can do better.
Look, Trump's win in 2016 was likely about Hillary being just that bad.
American's vote against things and people, more than they for them, and Hillary was just that unlikable that Trump was able to win.
I think he won in 2020 as well, but he's does more harm than good now for the GOP, even if it's not all just his flaws causing it, because the media do lie about him a lot.
This might be my conservativeness talking, but I'm not sure on that last one. Its easy to imagine better, but making it actually manifest is far tricker, and how good is actually achievable is often much lower than we think.
If Trump steps aside on his own accord, it might go fine. If he gets stabbed in the back and overthrown, that demoralizes and party and people likely leave en mass. The Republicans have a huge loyalty problem, and such blatant disloyalty would greatly exasperate those.
I personally if the maneuvers necessary to get rid of Trump were carried out would become greatly distrustful of the GOP and have deep suspicions that the RINO's have just taken over. Especially if Trump's removed to put anyone besides DeSantis in.
If Trump gets removed to make way for Mike Pence or because it's Jeb's turn, I think that would be way, way worse than Trump running in 2024. He might lose, but he might actually win, and at least it completes his narrative of trying till the end.
If he's kept from running through GOP machinations, I think that will sour a lot of people even against DeSantis, and if its anyone but DeSantis, a Republican victory feels impossible. I'm not sure I would still vote Republican after that. I guess the constitutional party still exists somewhere? Definitely not voting Libertarian at this point.
Like I said, could be the conservatism, but the risks seem clearer than the upside.
Pence and Jeb can fuck off.
DeSantis hardly a RINO. DeSantis has a strong record of making choices that I support and pushing legislation that I support in Florida. Fighting woke bullshit, and having the balls to fight the culture wars instead of being a weak spine pussy like many Republicans.
The only Republicans I really even consider as workable options for president are Trump and DeSantis, and I far prefer the latter.
Maybe we can throw Rand Paul in there, too