...and there went my happy mood...snip
Sorry....and there went my happy mood...
Lemme do one better, how about public schools forcing all students to pray to Allah and sacrifice something they like for Ramadan?Show me public schools which allowed Muslim teahcers to pray in front of their classes, because I have not seen anything like your claim about Muslims.
Ok, did that case get appealed any higher, and can you point to any other schools allowing the same outside Cali?Lemme do one better, how about public schools forcing all students to pray to Allah and sacrifice something they like for Ramadan?
Judge OKs Islamic role-playing in classroom / Contra Costa County parents' suit dismissed
A federal judge says a Contra Costa County school was merely teaching seventh-graders...www.sfgate.com
That is one hell of a goalpost move from your initial position of "Can you even show any schools that allow Muslim teachers to pray." I thought better of you than that. And yes, it was appealed.Ok, did that case get appealed any higher, and can you point to any other schools allowing the same outside Cali?
Ah, isolated incident you say?Because yeah, that teacher overstretched the definition of 'role-play for educational purposes' and the judge (being in Cali) seems to have let it slide. Which is clear violation of the Establishment Clause, but this was during the 'don't be mean to Muslim's and we must learn about them" phase after 9/11, so not surprised.
However, this sort of isolated incident shows why we need the Establishment Clause, and why learning about religion should be done at church or at home.
A single instance a trend does not make, and what was the result of the appeal?That is one hell of a goalpost move from your initial position of "Can you even show any schools that allow Muslim teachers to pray." I thought better of you than that. And yes, it was appealed.
Well, in the first link, it is about allowing prayer rooms for Muslim students. Not great that public funds went to those, but it is not teachers leading or reciting prayers in classrooms with the general student body. Thus, it does not really violate the Establishment Clause to simply allow them to pray, if teachers are not leading it; the whole specific room for it might run afoul of the Establishment Clause, though.Ah, isolated incident you say?
How about public schools (Five of them in this example alone) installing special prayer rooms for Muslims on the taxpayer dollar?
Oh look, not so isolated.
Muslims Demand (& Get) Prayer In Public Schools – Attack Off Campus Bible Studies - Freedom Outpost
Home » Muslims Demand (& Get) Prayer In Public Schools – Attack Off Campus Bible Studies So about that “religion of peace” and tolerance, this is how it really works. Muslim supremacism is at the top, everything else is at the bottom. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is leading...investortimes.com
More Muslime prayer in schools:
Muslim prayers in schools get provincial endorsement following intense meeting
Liberal ministers Mitzie Hunter and Michael Coteau issue statement of support the morning after a Peel school board meeting where tempers flared and police had to clear the room.www.thestar.com
But the Pledge of Allegiance is verboten, it includes the word "God" and that's enough to be establishing a religion.
Judge Rules Reciting Pledge in Schools Is Unconstitutional (Published 2005)
A federal judge in Sacramento ruled Wednesday that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools was an unconstitutional endorsement of religion, once again igniting a firestorm over the appropriateness of the pledge's reference to ''under God.'' The judge, Lawrence K. Karlton of...www.nytimes.com
The Muslim Prayer is school was upheld of course.A single instance a trend does not make, and what was the result of the appeal? It's not shifting goal posts, it's trying to find out the scope and spread of the situation, because this was the first I had seen anything like this.
And as soon as you were shown evidence, you started demanding more because now it's suddenly about "the scope and spread" rather than being shown at all. That is, in fact, a goalpost move.Show me public schools which allowed Muslim teahcers to pray in front of their classes, because I have not seen anything like your claim about Muslims.
My mistake, got the wrong link. I meant to use this one:Well, in the first link, it is about allowing prayer rooms for Muslim students. Not great that public funds went to those, but it is not teachers leading or reciting prayers in classrooms with the general student body. Thus, it does not really violate the Establishment Clause to simply allow them to pray, if teachers are not leading it; the whole specific room for it might run afoul of the Establishment Clause, though.
Second link...the situation was resolved when people complained about it, but the site also says that Islam is a 'homosexual lobby' which seems like...not really in touch with reality. This link actually showed why it is important to push back on this stuff no matter the religion, because the Establishment Clause does not allow the gov to show favor to any religion. Also, fuck the CAIR; those cunts are the same people who got Omar elected/installed.
Third link is...well, that's Canada; US Constitution doesn't apply up there, so it's moot to use it in regards to the Establishment Clause.
So how many will you be satisfied with? You've been given half a dozen examples all over the country already.Just because a few schools caved to pressure from Islamic communities does not invalidate the Establishment Clause, and in fact shows why it needs harsher, stricter enforcement regardless of the religion in question.
I had not seen it before, you gave one example, when I asked to see more information about it and other exampled to show it was not an isolated situation, and you are calling it a goalpost move because you are trying to clown on me, not inform.The Muslim Prayer is school was upheld of course.
We started here:
And as soon as you were shown evidence, you started demanding more because now it's suddenly about "the scope and spread" rather than being shown at all. That is, in fact, a goalpost move.
Well first, I read through that links on the posts you put up, and it seems the main complaint(s) is/are that the kids are learning things about Islamic prayers as part of history classes, or that Muslim students are being given newly built 'prayer rooms' at certain schools. The titles of those links often seem to overblow what actually happened, when you actually parse the facts from the rhetoric in the articles.And really, a single instance? You had three by the post you were quoting even discounting my error in linking to Canada.
My mistake, got the wrong link. I meant to use this one:
Florida: Seminole County School District requires students to recite Islamic prayer - Dr. Rich Swier
The text above has been identified as p. 121 in the Florida edition of Pearson/Prentice Hall's World History textbook. WFTV’s 9 Investigates reports thedrrichswier.com
But a simple search yields so many results its unsurprising I mixed up some tabs. Here, have a bonus of another public school forcing children to recite Muslim prayers, this one Shahada or the Islamic conversion prayer.
Boston Public School Teaching Islamic Conversion Prayer to Elementary Students - Walid Shoebat
Revere public schools in Boston are teaching students the conversion prayer to Islam. Boston's first Muslim captain has said he wants officers reading with children.shoebat.com
Or more special spaces for Muslim prayer set aside:
I mean, even freaking Snopes couldn't help but give this a mixed rating and admit it was "Troubling."
Massachusetts School Is Forcing Students to Learn a Muslim Prayer?
Rumor: Students in Revere, Massachusetts, were forced to recite an Islamic conversion prayer.www.snopes.com
So how many will you be satisfied with? You've been given half a dozen examples all over the country already.