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GoldRanger

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Look, I was on Gab for a while. There were some actual, genuine, Neo-Nazis there, but, here's the thing.

They weren't nice or anything, but they acted like people. They didn't throw random "JOOWS!" all over the place, because it's worthless. How does that crap help them in any meaningful way?

Really? Because I was on a reddit-equivalent site (forgot the name) for a short while. It's Israeli sub equivalent was taken over by Nazis who simply spammed it with nonstop Jewish conspiracy and big-nosed Jewish bankers memes nonstop. That's my personal experience with so-called "free speech sites".
 

Abhorsen

Local Degenerate
Moderator
Staff Member
Comrade
Osaul
Yeah, it's basically a tragedy of the commons. If every site was free speech oriented, there would be no problem. But since almost all sites kick off outright nazis, suddenly they are looking for a home. And so they flock to whatever site will have them, until it surrenders on free speech or becomes a nazi board (almost never chosen).

Hence why the Sietch bans them.
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
Yeah, it's basically a tragedy of the commons. If every site was free speech oriented, there would be no problem. But since almost all sites kick off outright nazis, suddenly they are looking for a home. And so they flock to whatever site will have them, until it surrenders on free speech or becomes a nazi board (almost never chosen).

Hence why the Sietch bans them.
Just troll the shit out of them and post pro-Israel/Jewish memes.
 

Abhorsen

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Osaul
Just troll the shit out of them and post pro-Israel/Jewish memes.
Honestly not worth the time. They end up shitting up every thread, and aren't lefties who triggered and leave: they get triggered and say more vile stuff. And this chases people off the forum (cause who has the time to deal with that), which further increases the concentration of nazi posters.
 

Agent23

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Honestly not worth the time. They end up shitting up every thread, and aren't lefties who triggered and leave: they get triggered and say more vile stuff. And this chases people off the forum (cause who has the time to deal with that), which further increases the concentration of nazi posters.
So, just let them have their own containment sites and be done with it.
Like the leftards had tumblr.
 

Agent23

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Yeah, we don't want this to be one of the containment sites though. And every other website individually makes that choice, leading to the tragedy of the commons.
And this is why letting places like Stormfront stay around are a good thing, the loonies stay there, and glowies can just go there and not try and infiltrate half the net.
In any case, social media like Gab has the big plus of letting you follow and block the people you actually like, so frankly that lowers the number of nazis.Personally I haven't seen any on either Gab or Minds, or Parler, probably because there are actually very, very few of them in the west, and they are more rare than KKKlansmen.
As in, people who only get attention when the left needs to ree about something.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
The solution is fairly simple.

You just infract/threadban/etc people for being jerks. If they're spamming shitty memes, hit them for spamming. If they want to have an actual discussion about their nonsense, let them have the discussion. That's free speech.

But if they're just spamming 'You're a shill for the jews' or 'you're a race traitor' or whatever over and over and over again, hit them for spamming.
 

Skallagrim

Well-known member
Yeah, it's basically a tragedy of the commons. If every site was free speech oriented, there would be no problem.
I believe you have landed upon the fundamental solution while describing the fundamental problem.

As a matter of fact, it's not even required that every site be "free speech oriented". Far from it. It's just the big site that have to be, and then all smaller sites can cater to more niche (and therefore more selected) audiences. Of course, the big sites (Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, Google...) are precisely the ones who are most actively and viciously opposed to free speech. And that is what must be changed, in order to solve the fundamental problem here. We know they won't change of their own accord, and therefore the conclusion is obvious: they must be made to change.

The commons are a public space after all, and if the tragedy of the commons is a factor, then we must treat the matter as public concern. Approaching this from an American perspective, since most huge online platforms are American: you must simply declare any website that has more than -- say -- a million users (and, indeed, any organisation with more than a million members) to be a "public forum", to which the First Amendment applies without reservation or exception.

Facebook? Youtube? Twitter? Tumblr? Reddit? Google? They would no longer be allowed to ban anyone, except if someone does something that is clearly a violation of US Federal law.

(And then you have put it in the law that anyone who is banned can easily sue the company over it. Create a special court for that, and make sure to base it on a jury system. Any ban has to be unanimously upheld in order to be considered "justified". If it's not justified, automatically impose massive fines on the company and on the specific person who issued the ban. To this end, also outlaw all "automatic bans", and require that every ban is always isued by a real person. And make it mandatory for all these companies to keep files on every ban, including the identity of the person who issued it. These specification should vanquish "cancel culture" forever. Banning someone nilly-willy is going to be something that can ruin both the company and person who did it!)

Same applies to large banks, insurance companies, et cetera. They will no longer be able to cancel customers over "wrongthink". If they do, it can lead to the ruination of the whole company. Small companies will still be able to make their own policies as they wish, and will not be affected by this proposal at all. It is purely meant to affect the vast megacorps. These will suddenly be held in check by the First Amendment. (And any foreign company that doesn't want to accept this will just be unilaterally banned from the whole country.)

This proposal solves the problem that's being discussed here, and in fact solves a considerable number of other problems at the same time.


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P.S. -- If you're wondering how you can pay for the costs of those special courts I proposed: just create a tax that is only applied to the megacorps that are subject to the law, and make it as high as is needed to cover all the costs. The more people they ban, the more times they're sued over it, and the more the costs go up... which they have to pay! Again, it actively incentivises them not to ban people prematurely. (And if foreign megacorps don't want to pay the tax, or refuse to pay the fines as they arise: ban them from operating in your country in any way.)

P.P.S. -- Obviously, while I'm talking about "banning", any alternative method that achieves same or similar must also be covered by the legislation. This would include Facebook's murky "algorithm" that limits one's reach artificially, as well as the dreary practice of outright shadowbanning.

P.P.P.S. -- I've written this all out now, and think to myself: maybe the meme thread isn't the best place for this. But this is where the discussion is. So if it should be elsewhere, I suppose a mod should just shove the whole discussion off into a new thread.
 

Skallagrim

Well-known member
I don't want to? Just want to chill.
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"I JUST WANT TO CHILL"
 

Simonbob

Well-known member
Guys, I think you'll all missing my point.

The radical Islamic types, who want Jihad on, well, whatever they want Jihad on, they don't randomly shit up things. They recruit people, they might discuss with non-fathful or whatever, they find places where they can be with their own. The communists do the same.

Pretty much every group that people don't like do the same, including the nazis. What they don't do, is shit up and damage, if not kill places that aren't theirs, going back to those to post the same useless shit, with pretty much no positive renforcment, again and again for years on end.



They're not nazis. So, the tactics you're suggesting are the wrong way to deal with them.
 

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