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Captain X

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BlackDragon98

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I guarantee you that cow farts aren't the doom of the world. :sneaky:
Quick question.

Have the number of cattle in the US Midwest and Canadian prairies exceeded the number of bison in their heyday?

Because I'm fairly certain that if cow farts were our doom, we would be long dead from all the bison farts.

We already ranch and eat several of them... Like Abalone


A lot of the others, like Sea Urchins, are not particularly edible (aside from roe) and mostly get eaten by things higher on the predator tree, like lobsters, that we eat.

Sea Urchins are actually invasive in some places, like Cali, where they are destroy kelp forests.

I've had sea urchin before as sashimi. Tastes kind of funny NGL, but it's a good source of protein.

Speaking of invasive species, it seems we might have to go back to baking lamprey pies to control the sea lamprey population, though I'd prefer them grilled. Just like how I like my eel.

@WolfBear, please stop.

You're completely ingoring the fact that human populations do mix, are in constantant competition with each other, and rarely occur in complete isolation for any great length of time. We, as a species, also aren't particularly picky about who we'll partner with when there are no negative consequences for doing so or when the benefits outweigh the negatives.

EDIT: BTW: The Bronze Age started roughly 5,300 years ago and ended roughly 3,200 years ago. Your 10,000 year hypothesis is bunk.
My personal theory is the perfect human, the Ubermensch will be created after another 20,000 years, when there is only one unified race on Earth.
 

Bear Ribs

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Quick question.

Have the number of cattle in the US Midwest and Canadian prairies exceeded the number of bison in their heyday?

Because I'm fairly certain that if cow farts were our doom, we would be long dead from all the bison farts.
Surprisingly yes, in their heyday there were a minimum of 60 million bison and the US has about 98 million head of cattle. Canada's relatively minor in scale, hitting about four and a half million. Given that's the minimum, it's fairly plausible there were quite a few more bison than just 60 million but I would find it a stretcher to imagine the estimates were so off that bison broke 100 million. So by the head, we probably have more cattle than there were bison.

However bison also exceed 11 feet long and over six feet high at the withers, and normally hit 1.5-2 times the weight of a modern meat cow. Needless to say, the enormous size difference means they would have been belching (the methane is actually in their burps and the rotting of their manure, not much in their farts) way more than modern cattle would in toto.
 

Yinko

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However bison also exceed 11 feet long and over six feet high at the withers, and normally hit 1.5-2 times the weight of a modern meat cow. Needless to say, the enormous size difference means they would have been belching (the methane is actually in their burps and the rotting of their manure, not much in their farts) way more than modern cattle would in toto.
My understanding is that Bison have a significantly more efficient digestive system though. That's why one of the suggestions for curbing methane was to replace cattle with beefalos.
 

Bear Ribs

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My understanding is that Bison have a significantly more efficient digestive system though. That's why one of the suggestions for curbing methane was to replace cattle with beefalos.
They have a more efficient digestive system but it's on the level of 4-6%, not enough to offset their massive size difference, and also Beefalos produce significantly less meat (percentage) than cattle in terms of dressed carcass weight, so you would need to raise even more of them to get the same output, that's why beefalo kinda failed hard and you don't hear about them anymore.

More amusingly if one analyzes the methanotrophic bacterial action, cattle and bison living on healthy grasslands are actually negative net methane producers, each one reduces the total amount of methane in the world by more than they produce. Cattle do produce more methane than they remove while on a feedlot but they're rarely there long-term since the point of the feedlot is to do a little polish and finish on them before slaughter.


Now granted, this net negative is due to the healthy grasslands supporting methanotrophic bacteria, but those grasslands require regular grazing by ruminants to maintain themselves. Also, if said grasslands are no longer profitable producing cattle, they will be switched over to something that does generate profit, like corn, which also produces net methane since that won't support the methanotrophs. For actual protection of the environment against methane, as opposed to trying to crusade against meat itself, the logical course is to subsidize grass-fed beef in order to maximize methanotrophs and avoid the feedlot spiking methane at the tail end of the cattle's life.
 

Captain X

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Bison is much more lean than beef also, so it's easier to burn while cooking and honestly the flavor is a bit different when one is used to beef.
 

Bacle

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Bison is much more lean than beef also, so it's easier to burn while cooking and honestly the flavor is a bit different when one is used to beef.
Buffalo is best as burgers or in chili; whole cuts/large cuts like steaks and such are not what buffalo is good for.

Buffalo is nice that they are economical in climates too cold for normal cattle; there are few buffalo operations in Alaska, which even has it's own smaller 'forest bison' sub-speices.
 

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