Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes

[bintananth]

Buuut... if you want to talk about using the same IQ test and comparing results across groups, the perhaps most poignant difference (at least that I know of) is the difference between men and women: while the average IQ differs by less than 0.5 points, the IQ variance is incredibly different between them. On the statistical level, men display the standard bell curve, whereas women instead tend to cluster around the mean. In other words, despite the average being nearly identical, there are a lot more male geniuses than there are female geniuses. But, on the flip side, there are also a lot more male idiots than there are female idiots.

There's a reason for those male/female IQ differences. A lot of the genes for brain development are located on the X chromosome. Boys only have one.

Boys are also much more likely to engage in risky behavior which sometimes results in a Darwin Award. It's the dumb boys who are the ones most prone to "hold my beer and watch this".

 

[Doomsought]

Boys are also much more likely to engage in risky behavior which sometimes results in a Darwin Award. It's the dumb boys who are the ones most prone to "hold my beer and watch this".

Risk assessment is entirely different matter than intelligence. Testosterone has an effect of prioritizing high-risk-high-reward options.

 

[bintananth]

Risk assessment is entirely different matter than intelligence. Testosterone has an effect of prioritizing high-risk-high-reward options.

In the grand scheme of things from a biological perspective: males are much more expendable than females for all mammalian species and almost* all of the non-mammalian species which bear live young.

"Two-pump Chuck" could go Hercules on a harem and then promptly die without it really affecting the chances of him having lots of kids. If something really bad happens to a pregnant woman there won't be a babby.

* Species which reproduce like seahorses do reverse this, but they're the exception rather than the rule.

 

[JasonSanjo]

That does not make the IQ test wrong, all those things just made you objectively dumber. That is like claiming a driving test is invalid because you got different scores when you were drunk and sober.

That was exactly my point. Without taking into account the various temporary factors influencing the outcome, the tests are useless, and unfortunately many people and institutions don't, relying instead on a single test without allowing people to retake it. If people and institutions - and that includes researchers - actually allowed people to re-take IQ tests the same way we are allowed to re-take driving tests, then the results would be quite different. Unfortunately, that's not the reality many of us live in. This is especially noticeable when it comes to various attempts at researching IQ test scores and comparing them between groups.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

I'll just note that Mexican children fresh into the US routinely score 20 points lower on IQ tests than Mexican children who have spent time in the US and learned American ways first. IQ tests can be ridiculously weighted towards understanding the culture of the people who made the tests and knowing how standardized tests work.

This is why inter-racial IQ study is not done with the WAIS or WISC mentioned in said article, which are accurate predictors of functionality within a society but highly influenced by knowledge of language. Instead, such study is done with purpose-made tests which examine pattern recognition and retention without use of numbers or letters, such as with basic shapes, shading, and cross-hatching. Raven's progressive matrices are an example of such tests.

Dishonest scientists will often omit that such tests exist and were used to research the old scientific consensus on human races, while pointing and shouting excitedly at culture-specific tests.

I ask this as someone who is decently Hoppe-pilled and thinks freedom of association is deathly important. What does this hyperfocus on race give us? To who's benefit? I see nothing that can galvanize the average westerner, if anything it seems off-putting to the vast majority of people who identity as Right.

Hell who is this for?

Well... for starters, it benefits anyone who values truth. A society which is conditioned to lie about racial issues because muh feelz, muh oppression, muh cancel culture, etc.. cannot be said to value truth, and everyone in it will know it. They will know it is normal to lie when it would be inconvenient to speak the truth, and this will color everything that society does.

It is also a litmus test. the truth of what I have posted is obvious, there's an entire half a continent where there are no relics of note from antiquity... or even five hundred years ago! Sub-saharan Africa is a desert of ingenuity that strongly corroborates what scientists discerned with IQ tests -- its populations were and are woefully unintelligent. Leftist "guns,germs,steel" theory has tried to paper over this but as a cover their excuses are paper thin. We brought tens of millions of Africans into America, a prosperous and orderly European nation, poured wealth in their pockets, provided them with Western education, and what do Africans do in America? Tear down the places they moved in to, make them ugly and disgusting, consume every resource made available to them, and victimize whatever populations are adjacent to them, all the while bearing false witness about their terrible "oppression".

People who care more about popularity and fitting in and avoiding consequences, will of course speak the convenient racial equality falsehoods. This leads to the next point.

"The vast majority of people who identify as right" are even more complacent than "the vast majority of people who identify as progressive". Their chosen role in life is that of the peasant, the consumer. Almost none of them will fight for anything, and they will obey whoever holds power as long as they have food and media to consume. It is more important to cultivate a minority capable of holding power, than a feel-good majority that will sit on its thumbs.

Edit: added meme I couldn't find while posting.

 

[Bacle]

This is why inter-racial IQ study is not done with the WAIS or WISC mentioned in said article, which are accurate predictors of functionality within a society but highly influenced by knowledge of language. Instead, such study is done with purpose-made tests which examine pattern recognition and retention without use of numbers or letters, such as with basic shapes, shading, and cross-hatching. Raven's progressive matrices are an example of such tests.

Dishonest scientists will often omit that such tests exist and were used to research the old scientific consensus on human races, while pointing and shouting excitedly at culture-specific tests.


Well... for starters, it benefits anyone who values truth. A society which is conditioned to lie about racial issues because muh feelz, muh oppression, muh cancel culture, etc.. cannot be said to value truth, and everyone in it will know it. They will know it is normal to lie when it would be inconvenient to speak the truth, and this will color everything that society does.

It is also a litmus test. the truth of what I have posted is obvious, there's an entire half a continent where there are no relics of note from antiquity... or even five hundred years ago! Sub-saharan Africa is a desert of ingenuity that strongly corroborates what scientists discerned with IQ tests -- its populations were and are woefully unintelligent. Leftist "guns,germs,steel" theory has tried to paper over this but as a cover their excuses are paper thin. We brought tens of millions of Africans into America, a prosperous and orderly European nation, poured wealth in their pockets, provided them with Western education, and what do Africans do in America? Tear down the places they moved in to, make them ugly and disgusting, consume every resource made available to them, and victimize whatever populations are adjacent to them, all the while bearing false witness about their terrible "oppression".

People who care more about popularity and fitting in and avoiding consequences, will of course speak the convenient racial equality falsehoods. This leads to the next point.

"The vast majority of people who identify as right" are even more complacent than "the vast majority of people who identify as progressive". Their chosen role in life is that of the peasant, the consumer. Almost none of them will fight for anything, and they will obey whoever holds power as long as they have food and media to consume. It is more important to cultivate a minority capable of holding power, than a feel-good majority that will sit on its thumbs.

Slavery was 'pouring wealth into their pockets'...how fucking demented are you?

 

[Wargamer08]

That was exactly my point. Without taking into account the various temporary factors influencing the outcome, the tests are useless, and unfortunately many people and institutions don't, relying instead on a single test without allowing people to retake it. If people and institutions - and that includes researchers - actually allowed people to re-take IQ tests the same way we are allowed to re-take driving tests, then the results would be quite different. Unfortunately, that's not the reality many of us live in. This is especially noticeable when it comes to various attempts at researching IQ test scores and comparing them between groups.

You can retake that test as much as you want, unless you're deliberately failing or cheating you are going to see a range of results but no more then one to two standard deviations.

Though honestly you seem to be complaining that no test is perfect, which is true. But IQ manages some level of consistency which for any social science is incredibly rare these days.

In general I feel too much weight is put on IQ. At least at the upper end. At the low end IQ is a very accurate predictor of success, when you get above plus three standard deviations it's mostly navel gazing.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

Slavery was 'pouring wealth into their pockets'...how fucking demented are you?

Don't be disingenuous. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[JasonSanjo]

You can retake that test as much as you want, unless you're deliberately failing or cheating you are going to see a range of results but no more then one to two standard deviations.

Though honestly you seem to be complaining that no test is perfect, which is true. But IQ manages some level of consistency which for any social science is incredibly rare these days.

In general I feel too much weight is put on IQ. At least at the upper end. At the low end IQ is a very accurate predictor of success, when you get above plus three standard deviations it's mostly navel gazing.

But you can't retake the test, in many cases. Certainly, you can retake online tests, and there are private organisations that allow you to pay a sum to retake tests over and over again - but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about companies and institutions that use IQ tests as part of their employee evaluation protocols, and researchers who use IQ tests as part of their research. In other words, the times when IQ tests actually matter outside of being basically ego-stroking (assuming you have a reasonably high IQ). Bear Ribs provided one example of this earlier in the thread.

And part of my point is that IQ tests frequently don't manage a very high level of consistency, due to the people administering the tests normally ignoring the various temporary factors that affect test outcomes and disallowing retaking tests, in addition to different IQ tests being constructed in different ways and thus resulting in wildly varying scores even when taken by the same individual under ideal conditions. And I am not talking about a difference of 1-2 points, but rather 10-20 points, or occasionally more. And this is before taking into account some individuals having a higher degree of neuroplasticity than others, which in turn results in them having a variable effective IQ even under ideal conditions. Overall, IQ tests are simply too inaccurate in and of themselves, as well as frequently being administered in a manner that renders the results unreliable even if the tests themselves had been 100% accurate.

I do agree that too much emphasis is put on IQ scores, as IQ is only one of multiple factors to determine success (or whatever it is you are trying to measure).

Edit: Yeah, we've strayed into off-topic territory here, I think. This thread's supposed to be about memes, isn't it? 😅

 

[Bacle]

Don't be disingenuous. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

The fact you think I am being disingenuous, when you are the one completely glossing over the fact many African Americans are only here due to the slave trade, shows how much you want to push your race war-baiting bullshit.

You also gloss over the impact of the Great Society shit LordSunhawk pointed out.

But as Sunhawk said, the greatest way to fight people and ideologies like yours is to expose them to sunlight, to be seen as the racist tripe it is.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

This is why inter-racial IQ study is not done with the WAIS or WISC mentioned in said article, which are accurate predictors of functionality within a society but highly influenced by knowledge of language. Instead, such study is done with purpose-made tests which examine pattern recognition and retention without use of numbers or letters, such as with basic shapes, shading, and cross-hatching. Raven's progressive matrices are an example of such tests.

Dishonest scientists will often omit that such tests exist and were used to research the old scientific consensus on human races, while pointing and shouting excitedly at culture-specific tests.


Well... for starters, it benefits anyone who values truth. A society which is conditioned to lie about racial issues because muh feelz, muh oppression, muh cancel culture, etc.. cannot be said to value truth, and everyone in it will know it. They will know it is normal to lie when it would be inconvenient to speak the truth, and this will color everything that society does.

It is also a litmus test. the truth of what I have posted is obvious, there's an entire half a continent where there are no relics of note from antiquity... or even five hundred years ago! Sub-saharan Africa is a desert of ingenuity that strongly corroborates what scientists discerned with IQ tests -- its populations were and are woefully unintelligent. Leftist "guns,germs,steel" theory has tried to paper over this but as a cover their excuses are paper thin. We brought tens of millions of Africans into America, a prosperous and orderly European nation, poured wealth in their pockets, provided them with Western education, and what do Africans do in America? Tear down the places they moved in to, make them ugly and disgusting, consume every resource made available to them, and victimize whatever populations are adjacent to them, all the while bearing false witness about their terrible "oppression".

People who care more about popularity and fitting in and avoiding consequences, will of course speak the convenient racial equality falsehoods. This leads to the next point.

"The vast majority of people who identify as right" are even more complacent than "the vast majority of people who identify as progressive". Their chosen role in life is that of the peasant, the consumer. Almost none of them will fight for anything, and they will obey whoever holds power as long as they have food and media to consume. It is more important to cultivate a minority capable of holding power, than a feel-good majority that will sit on its thumbs.

Edit: added meme I couldn't find while posting.

A litmus test? This seems more like a shit test. Do you really need people to say this back to you, if you think it's so self evident? Why are you so convinced of this? Peer reviewed study? IRL stuff?

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

A litmus test? This seems more like a shit test. Do you really need people to say this back to you, if you think it's so self evident? Why are you so convinced of this? Peer reviewed study? IRL stuff?

Weeding out people who speak leftist falsehoods for convenience, profit, or safety, is necessary. I can understand people choosing to be circumspect in a professional capacity, for example, but being circumspect is not the same as making excuses or speaking falsehoods.

There's a lot of crossover utility in Christianity as well. One of our commandments is that we are not to bear false witness. This is not qualified or negotiable. It doesn't matter how we feel about the truth, we are required to refrain from speaking other than it.

Plop a simple truth like 13/50 (now, 12/56) down in front of a churchian and they'll immediately start hemming and hawing and shucking and jiving and doing anything other than say something that could be construed as racist. After all, to be racist would offend their earthly masters. A Christian might choose to be circumspect, but they would not shy from the truth for fear of earthly retaliation.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

A tax meme.

Weeding out people who speak leftist falsehoods for convenience, profit, or safety, is necessary. I can understand people choosing to be circumspect in a professional capacity, for example, but being circumspect is not the same as making excuses or speaking falsehoods.

There's a lot of crossover utility in Christianity as well. One of our commandments is that we are not to bear false witness. This is not qualified or negotiable. It doesn't matter how we feel about the truth, we are required to refrain from speaking other than it.

Plop a simple truth like 13/50 (now, 12/56) down in front of a churchian and they'll immediately start hemming and hawing and shucking and jiving and doing anything other than say something that could be construed as racist. After all, to be racist would offend their earthly masters. A Christian might choose to be circumspect, but they would not shy from the truth for fear of earthly retaliation.

Necessary for whom? You've said yourself that people do not wish to discuss this sort of thing. Do you not see how offputting this all is? An enlightened few to lead us is already a hard sell, an enlightened few who make jogger remarks is even harder.

And to add another indictment this is boring. Tedious. A blackpill if you internalize this given how multiracial the US and the West is. Blackpills do not sway people, they do not mint new elites, they do nothing except sell Xanax and HRT pills.

 

[Marduk]

People who care more about popularity and fitting in and avoiding consequences, will of course speak the convenient racial equality falsehoods. This leads to the next point.

"The vast majority of people who identify as right" are even more complacent than "the vast majority of people who identify as progressive". Their chosen role in life is that of the peasant, the consumer. Almost none of them will fight for anything, and they will obey whoever holds power as long as they have food and media to consume. It is more important to cultivate a minority capable of holding power, than a feel-good majority that will sit on its thumbs.

Edit: added meme I couldn't find while posting.

So what point are you going to with these generalities? There doesn't seem to be any.
Yes, for all the inaccuracies and questions, IQ tests agree that different demographics have different IQ and it has some effects. Probably no amount of social engineering or social programs, or even throwing unimaginable fortunes at education real or imagined will change the vibrant and diverse inner cities into the next Japan, Israel or South Korea.

But you have to also understand the point other side makes - even according to the most scientifically solid race realists, IQ has around 40-60% (averaging 50%) of influence on socioeconomic results of a given population.

So where are the other 50%, and why not target it too? Even with IQ in range of 80-90 there can be societies far better than the examples you point at. Some of them, like Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Philippines, Georgia, and most of Caribbean islands even get many western tourists to willingly go there for vacation and pay serious money for it, imagine that, so obviously they aren't filled with criminals and junkies to anywhere near the level of US problem cities, who would volunteer to not only live there but also pay for it.

Even if one does not accept the silly leftist imperative of making everyone equal in everything or going bankrupt trying, there is no reason why American right wingers wouldn't want to fix up their country to a less ambitious, but still considerably better than present level.

But you, with just posting such spicy facts and letting people who have their own experience with patterns (haha) just fill in the blanks on the rest (as in what do you want to be done about/with said facts), and they fill them in a way that does not put you in a good light to say the least.
So, if you want a better reaction, i would suggest sparing them the opportunity to fill in the blanks and doing that yourself.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

 

[Bacle]

So what point are you going to with these generalities? There doesn't seem to be any.
Yes, for all the inaccuracies and questions, IQ tests agree that different demographics have different IQ and it has some effects. Probably no amount of social engineering or social programs, or even throwing unimaginable fortunes at education real or imagined will change the vibrant and diverse inner cities into the next Japan, Israel or South Korea.

But you have to also understand the point other side makes - even according to the most scientifically solid race realists, IQ has around 40-60% (averaging 50%) of influence on socioeconomic results of a given population.

So where are the other 50%, and why not target it too? Even with IQ in range of 80-90 there can be societies far better than the examples you point at. Some of them, like Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Philippines, Georgia, and most of Caribbean islands even get many western tourists to willingly go there for vacation and pay serious money for it, imagine that, so obviously they aren't filled with criminals and junkies to anywhere near the level of US problem cities, who would volunteer to not only live there but also pay for it.

Even if one does not accept the silly leftist imperative of making everyone equal in everything or going bankrupt trying, there is no reason why American right wingers wouldn't want to fix up their country to a less ambitious, but still considerably better than present level.

But you, with just posting such spicy facts and letting people who have their own experience with patterns (haha) just fill in the blanks on the rest (as in what do you want to be done about/with said facts), and they fill them in a way that does not put you in a good light to say the least.
So, if you want a better reaction, i would suggest sparing them the opportunity to fill in the blanks and doing that yourself.

Oh please, you know what the fuck he is trying to do, and are giving him a benefit of the doubt he does not deserve.

He wants to create racial tensions and push racials tensions to justify his own world view, completely ignores the role class plays is all of this stuff to focus on race, and glosses over that slavery even happened at all when he makes a these claims.

 

[LordSunhawk]

He is a classic WN/WS of the most obnoxious kind, the sort who cherry picks 'data' and 'studies' to prove his supposed points.

There is a far greater delta of IQ between socio-economic classes than between racial groups. To a WN/WS like @Whitestrake Pelinal , the fact that blacks primarily inhabit the poorest socio-economic classes is an effect of their 'innate inferiority'. But when you do studies that are corrected for socio-economic status, the delta mostly disappears. Blacks who come from stable two-parent households have near identical scores to whites from the same background. Yes, there is variance between the groups, and yes blacks trend somewhat lower on most tests, but not all, and there is evidence that testing methodology and composition may have enough of an effect to explain the difference. But ultimately, the fact that blacks in general inhabit the poorest socio-economic classes is the cause of the disparity.

The solution? Get government the hell out of the equation, eliminate the perverse incentives put in place by the 'War On Poverty' and other programs *instituted by actual racists*, and allow the black family unit to be rebuilt naturally. Then be patient, give it a generation or two, and then look at the trend lines. Rational people will quickly see those communities rising up from the desolation they've been left in by leftist policies designed to keep them poor and dependent. WN/WS, OTOH, will wail and beat their chest and look even more ridiculous than they already do.

 

[BlackDragon98]

How come Asians don't exist on that chart? Did they become white when I wasn't looking, again?

As a Chinese Canadian, I can confirm that the Cabalists consider us white.

We are the inconvenient minority.

 

[Husky_Khan]

As a Chinese Canadian, I can confirm that the Cabalists consider us white.

We are the inconvenient minority.

Hopefully they find a reason so you can join us Jungle Asians...

 

[LordsFire]

This is why inter-racial IQ study is not done with the WAIS or WISC mentioned in said article, which are accurate predictors of functionality within a society but highly influenced by knowledge of language. Instead, such study is done with purpose-made tests which examine pattern recognition and retention without use of numbers or letters, such as with basic shapes, shading, and cross-hatching. Raven's progressive matrices are an example of such tests.

Dishonest scientists will often omit that such tests exist and were used to research the old scientific consensus on human races, while pointing and shouting excitedly at culture-specific tests.


Well... for starters, it benefits anyone who values truth. A society which is conditioned to lie about racial issues because muh feelz, muh oppression, muh cancel culture, etc.. cannot be said to value truth, and everyone in it will know it. They will know it is normal to lie when it would be inconvenient to speak the truth, and this will color everything that society does.

It is also a litmus test. the truth of what I have posted is obvious, there's an entire half a continent where there are no relics of note from antiquity... or even five hundred years ago! Sub-saharan Africa is a desert of ingenuity that strongly corroborates what scientists discerned with IQ tests -- its populations were and are woefully unintelligent. Leftist "guns,germs,steel" theory has tried to paper over this but as a cover their excuses are paper thin. We brought tens of millions of Africans into America, a prosperous and orderly European nation, poured wealth in their pockets, provided them with Western education, and what do Africans do in America? Tear down the places they moved in to, make them ugly and disgusting, consume every resource made available to them, and victimize whatever populations are adjacent to them, all the while bearing false witness about their terrible "oppression".

The problem with your narrative here, is that it's a classic case of 'only looking at the facts that support my theory.'

Facts that you're ignoring:

1. Before the Democrat welfare programs were implemented, the American black population at large was overall heading towards the same lifestyle and standard of living as the various ethnicities that make up the American white population.
2. Immigrants from actual Africa to the US tend to do much better than born-and-bred african-Americans who have embraced 'ghetto thug' culture. Depending on where they're from, entire groups are doing better on average than white Americans on average.
3. White Americans who have embraced 'ghetto thug' culture tend to do about as poorly as black Americans who have done so.
4. There are plenty of black Americans who are doing just fine, occupying the same socio-economic strata as many white Americans. Those in said social strata tend to have something in particular in common; stable family units, and familial culture that values achievement, responsibility, and hard work.
5. The discrepancy in 'who is taking money out of the government vs who is putting it in?' is also insanely lopsided between men and women. Are you going to try to claim that's a matter of race as well?


There's more, but that's plenty enough to thoroughly sink the idea that this is an inherent and inescapable racial problem.