Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes

[Simonbob]

One of things I found interesting, when I found out about it, some years ago, the Australian aboriginies can be spit into two main groups. The ones who life in cities, and larger towns, and those who live in outback villages.

The ones in town? They are behind the average, by about 5%, economically. Slightly higher rates of crime, as well.

Those in outback villages, where it's pretty much just aboriginies? Much, much worse. Although, the details do vary, the levels of violence, poverty, alcoholism, STD's and more? Really bad.

 

[Zachowon]

One of things I found interesting, when I found out about it, some years ago, the Australian aboriginies can be spit into two main groups. The ones who life in cities, and larger towns, and those who live in outback villages.

The ones in town? They are behind the average, by about 5%, economically. Slightly higher rates of crime, as well.

Those in outback villages, where it's pretty much just aboriginies? Much, much worse. Although, the details do vary, the levels of violence, poverty, alcoholism, STD's and more? Really bad.

So like rhe native tribes that don't own casinos here

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

Wow, blatant racism out in the open and display, barely hidden behind a veil of 'racial economics'.

I guess you like the Dems 'Red states are tax takers, so fuck them' lines the Left use as a farce to attack the Right so much, you appropriated it for your race war rhetoric.

In clown world, racist is another word for honest.

American blacks, who consume vast quantities of public aid paid for through the labor of whites, have no place whining about being "oppressed". You can verify the stats in the meme if so inclined, you may not find the exact same numbers, but you'll find the same general pattern.

 

[Blasterbot]

reducing things down to a single skin color based variable is antihelp. look at location. look at culture. look at the family. look at the churches. Nigerian immigrants tend to outperform the average white family economically. the issue is an extremely toxic culture exists in the inner cities. fobbing it off to race just ignores the problems completely and plays to the worst aspects of the left.

 

[Simonbob]

reducing things down to a single skin color based variable is antihelp. look at location. look at culture. look at the family. look at the churches. Nigerian immigrants tend to outperform the average white family economically. the issue is an extremely toxic culture exists in the inner cities. fobbing it off to race just ignores the problems completely and plays to the worst aspects of the left.

While that's somewhat true, there are actual differences in the averages of different ethnic groups, including IQ. Ignoring it is just as stupid.

 

[PsihoKekec]

 

[LordsFire]

While that's somewhat true, there are actual differences in the averages of different ethnic groups, including IQ. Ignoring it is just as stupid.

The difference in IQ in ethnicities in the us probably correlates more strongly to how healthy/having a culture of work families in those ethnicities are than to genetics.

 

[Simonbob]

The difference in IQ in ethnicities in the us probably correlates more strongly to how healthy/having a culture of work families in those ethnicities are than to genetics.

Sorry, not so, in the studies I've heard of.

I'm no expert, but it does seem the differences are genetic, as most of IQ is.

 

[LordsFire]

Sorry, not so, in the studies I've heard of.

I'm no expert, but it does seem the differences are genetic, as most of IQ is.

Have you checked for the correlation between healthy families and a cultural priority for work to IQ?

I'm not trying to say genetics are irrelevant; obviously they are a factor, otherwise you wouldn't have people with actual retardation due to genetic disorders, but on the demographic scale which matters more?

 

[Blasterbot]

Sorry, not so, in the studies I've heard of.

I'm no expert, but it does seem the differences are genetic, as most of IQ is.

there are high IQ people in every group. same with low IQ people. speaking frankly most high IQ people I know are miserable cunts to be around.

 

[Wargamer08]

Have you checked for the correlation between healthy families and a cultural priority for work to IQ?

I'm not trying to say genetics are irrelevant; obviously they are a factor, otherwise you wouldn't have people with actual retardation due to genetic disorders, but on the demographic scale which matters more?

Part of the issue I have with IQ I that the left has spent more then thirty years discrediting anyone that posits ANY link between race, geographic location, or gender.

The answer only seems to be allowed to be that we must spend more money on education, focused on the most underprivileged as dictated by the Party. While there are very few IQ studies these days, there are several that prove spending infinite money on inner-city majority black schools do not increase any achievement metrics. To the point that super private school money and class sizes of as long as ten kids per teacher did nothing.

Basically, because the well has been so poisoned by intentional action and tactics, everyone is left to their own opinions at this point.

 

[Simonbob]

Have you checked for the correlation between healthy families and a cultural priority for work to IQ?

I'm not trying to say genetics are irrelevant; obviously they are a factor, otherwise you wouldn't have people with actual retardation due to genetic disorders, but on the demographic scale which matters more?

The latest research I saw said 70% to 80% genetics, controling for all such variables.

 

[Cherico]

That is perhaps the most racist thing I've seen posted here.

The data is what it is, it gives raw numbers and while its painful what needs to be done is to look further into the data. That means looking at things point by point. Because its rarely the case that an expense is spread evenly across a group you must investigate the data further to see what is actually causing the problem.

My hypothasis, the expenses we see are probally almost entirely caused by homes headed by single mothers. The solution if this is the case is to restore the black family and give black fathers the authority and respect they rightfully deserve. Once this is done things will improve markedly with little further intervention.

 

[Yinko]

I'm no expert, but it does seem the differences are genetic, as most of IQ is.

Have you checked for the correlation between healthy families and a cultural priority for work to IQ?

there are high IQ people in every group. same with low IQ people.

IQ is really tricky to judge objectively. There was a study done with Asian women. They first gave them a test as a base-line, then they reminded them of feminine stereotypes and gave them another test which showed lower results than the base-line, then they reminded them of their Asian stereotypes and gave them another test which showed higher results than the base-line. You could probably argue that this is just yet another example of the left trying to discredit any genetic or gender based link with IQ, but the results were within the standard deviation for placebos effects in a population with average hypnotic suggestibility.

This isn't to say "IQ is all in our head" or anything like that, rather most aspects of consciousness have some play to them. Things like genetics, developmental nutrition, gender, etc are all likely more important than ones own conscious perspective in the grand scheme of things though, leaving aside self-sabotaging mind-sets, simply because they are more permanent.

It is also very difficult to get a good read on what intelligence actually is. The IQ system focuses mainly on pattern recognition in various forms. Which is fine, and I'm not one to harp on about EQ and things like "musical intelligence", but I still do think that the ways that IQ tests are written aren't that great simply because they aim at measuring an analytical rather than synthetic form of cognition.

 

[Scottty]

And off we go to a good old-fashioned Nature vs Nurture debate.

In clown world, racist is another word for honest.

It's also a narrative trap that the Clownworld establishment uses to sideline any serious dissent or criticism. They want to control and limit not only the "acceptable" topics of debate, but even the "unacceptable" ones as well.

American blacks, who consume vast quantities of public aid paid for through the labor of whites, have no place whining about being "oppressed". You can verify the stats in the meme if so inclined, you may not find the exact same numbers, but you'll find the same general pattern.

If what others have posted here is true, Black Americans are the victims of decades of government policies that - by design - treat them not as adult citizens but as wards of the state.

The Democrats created the mess they will call you "racist" for pointing out or noticing.

The data is what it is, it gives raw numbers and while its painful what needs to be done is to look further into the data. That means looking at things point by point. Because its rarely the case that an expense is spread evenly across a group you must investigate the data further to see what is actually causing the problem.

My hypothasis, the expenses we see are probally almost entirely caused by homes headed by single mothers. The solution if this is the case is to restore the black family and give black fathers the authority and respect they rightfully deserve. Once this is done things will improve markedly with little further intervention.

I think this makes a lot of sense.
But the underlying problem here is the over-extended, meddling, busybody welfare state. Even in intact households, a man is not the master of his own family - the government is!
That is really what needs to change.

 

[JasonSanjo]

IQ is really tricky to judge objectively. There was a study done with Asian women. They first gave them a test as a base-line, then they reminded them of feminine stereotypes and gave them another test which showed lower results than the base-line, then they reminded them of their Asian stereotypes and gave them another test which showed higher results than the base-line. You could probably argue that this is just yet another example of the left trying to discredit any genetic or gender based link with IQ, but the results were within the standard deviation for placebos effects in a population with average hypnotic suggestibility.

This isn't to say "IQ is all in our head" or anything like that, rather most aspects of consciousness have some play to them. Things like genetics, developmental nutrition, gender, etc are all likely more important than ones own conscious perspective in the grand scheme of things though, leaving aside self-sabotaging mind-sets, simply because they are more permanent.

It is also very difficult to get a good read on what intelligence actually is. The IQ system focuses mainly on pattern recognition in various forms. Which is fine, and I'm not one to harp on about EQ and things like "musical intelligence", but I still do think that the ways that IQ tests are written aren't that great simply because they aim at measuring an analytical rather than synthetic form of cognition.

There's also how even "officially sanctioned" IQ tests are not all created equal, and as well what state of mind the test taker is in (setting aside the placebo effect). I've scored anywhere from 129 at the lowest to "155<" (the test maxed out at 155) at the highest, using different IQ tests and different states of mind. When I scored the lowest, I was suffering from fatigue syndrome, I had a semi-severe cold with a light fever, and there was a bunch of stuff going on in my personal life making it difficult for me to concentrate. When I scored "155<" I had none of those issues, but that particular test didn't take into account completion time, and that's always been my worst category on the tests that do take it into account. I've even taken the exact same IQ test at different times and gotten significantly different results, so it's not quite so simple as to say that different tests aren't created equal, either.

So, yeah... IQ tests are definitely not the end-all, be-all of intelligence.

And just to throw in a semi-serious appeal to authority, there's always Stephen Hawking's famous quote from when he was asked about what his IQ was: "I have no idea. People who boast about their IQ are losers."

Buuut... if you want to talk about using the same IQ test and comparing results across groups, the perhaps most poignant difference (at least that I know of) is the difference between men and women: while the average IQ differs by less than 0.5 points, the IQ variance is incredibly different between them. On the statistical level, men display the standard bell curve, whereas women instead tend to cluster around the mean. In other words, despite the average being nearly identical, there are a lot more male geniuses than there are female geniuses. But, on the flip side, there are also a lot more male idiots than there are female idiots.

Even setting aside male and female career choices/preferences, that IQ variance probably goes a long way to explain why more men go into STEM fields. For every woman who's smart enough to qualify, you've got not one, not two, but several men who are also smart enough to do so. In other words, even if every single woman in the world who had the potential for it went into STEM, they would still be significantly outnumbered by men (Well, barring political action coupled with a limited number of available STEM positions, anyway).

Of course, statistics don't mean a damn thing on the individual level, which is why you still need to evaluate every person individually in order to get the best possible results. And evaluating people individually rather than as a group is something that certain sociopolitical movements absolutely despise, so...

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

I ask this as someone who is decently Hoppe-pilled and thinks freedom of association is deathly important. What does this hyperfocus on race give us? To who's benefit? I see nothing that can galvanize the average westerner, if anything it seems off-putting to the vast majority of people who identity as Right.

Hell who is this for?

 

[Bear Ribs]

I'll just note that Mexican children fresh into the US routinely score 20 points lower on IQ tests than Mexican children who have spent time in the US and learned American ways first. IQ tests can be ridiculously weighted towards understanding the culture of the people who made the tests and knowing how standardized tests work.

 

[Bacle]

I ask this as someone who is decently Hoppe-pilled and thinks freedom of association is deathly important. What does this hyperfocus on race give us? To who's benefit? I see nothing that can galvanize the average westerner, if anything it seems off-putting to the vast majority of people who identity as Right.

Hell who is this for?

It's for the barely concealed white nationalists and white supremacists who try to parasite onto the Right and use it to further thier race war agenda.

 

[Doomsought]

When I scored the lowest, I was suffering from fatigue syndrome, I had a semi-severe cold with a light fever, and there was a bunch of stuff going on in my personal life making it difficult for me to concentrate.

That does not make the IQ test wrong, all those things just made you objectively dumber. That is like claiming a driving test is invalid because you got different scores when you were drunk and sober.

Genetics sets you maximum IQ, but there are tons of environmental factors that can reduce your IQ.

There are no known environmental factors that can raise your IQ. We've sunk billions of dollars and gotten quite a few people killed trying to do that. All we can do is bring allow you to achieve your maximum potential, or make complicated concepts easier to understand.