Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes

[SoliFortissimi]

sure let's compare in the 20th century which countries were crueler. was it atheist countries like the USSR or China? or was it countries that were majority Christian like America?

When do you think the pederasty happened? Or when the Taliban and other Islamists started doing their thing?

And that's when Christians have been thrown out of power. Back when they could influence politics, it wasn't uncommon for Kings to commit wholesale genocides to enforce Christian dogma, as the Cathars and the millions killed in the Reformation would confirm.

 

[Blasterbot]

When do you think the pederasty happened? Or when the Taliban and other Islamists started doing their thing?

And that's when Christians have been thrown out of power. Back when they could influence politics, it wasn't uncommon for Kings to commit wholesale genocides to enforce Christian dogma, as the Cathars and the millions killed in the Reformation would confirm.

the pederasty? that goes back well beyond Christianity. Ancient Greeks and Chinese at the least did that. considering that diddlers exist in pretty much every society they have been around as long as there have been people most likely.

wholesale slaughter of other groups goes back further as well if you read about old bronze age civilizations. Hell Genghis Khan killed so many people he unironically decimated the human race. 11% of the worlds population. Atheism didn't improve it. they just industrialized their slaughter and got way more efficient.

Your argument is that religion in general and Christianity in particular is bad. I argue that people are what they are and Atheists are no better at best and in my day to day interactions tend to be quite awful since without a set of morals and beliefs they just do bad things little remorse.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Sure you could, but it wouldn't change the facts. Christians may be the least worse of the many, many religions that infest this world, but their "forgiveness" is entirely self serving and doesn't counteract their cruelty.

The cruelty that can be meaningfully called "Christian" is a product of the premises of the forgiveness, not an independent factor that would counteract it. It is negative reinforcement seeking to drive people away from "wrong" religious positions so "the Truth" will be accepted and thus the people will be saved for everlasting paradise. Though whether that paradise is worldly or not and when it starts is intensely debated.

Back when they could influence politics, it wasn't uncommon for Kings to commit wholesale genocides to enforce Christian dogma, as the Cathars and the millions killed in the Reformation would confirm.

You're using this to defend "all religion bad". If you've bothered to actually read my own version of such rants, they're specifically anti-Church because it's what started the problem of holy wars. Without the hierarchical organization needed to enforce the Orthodoxy brainbug and ladder-pulling on syncretism you lack institutional investment in such a homogenized worldview for a threat to that homogeneity to be a remotely reasonable Casus Belli.

Show me the Buddhist or Taoist holy wars, if this is really a problem you see in all religions.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Your argument is that religion in general and Christianity in particular is bad. I argue that people are what they are and Atheists are no better at best

Hardly. You'll never see an atheist crusade against religion*, or atheists murdering millions for the crime of not believing their specific brand of unscientific dogma.

Show me the Buddhist or Taoist holy wars, if this is really a problem you see in all religions.

No, you're not wrong. Unorganized religion is less dangerous, though you should know that this only holds as long as they stay unorganized and far from power. Socialism wasn't exactly carrying out any holy wars until they became an organized movement, at which point they became just another religion.

With that said, even socialism is less ignorant of material reality than religion. That institutionalized stupidity that characterizes religions is almost as dangerous as their malice.

 

[Blasterbot]

Hardly. You'll never see an atheist crusade against religion*, or atheists murdering millions for the crime of not believing their specific brand of unscientific dogma.

Nazis, Socialists, Communists. you are completely off base here. atheist Ideologies that killed millions based solely on them following a religion instead of the unscientific dogma the state pushed.

 

[LordsFire]

Hardly. You'll never see an atheist crusade against religion*, or atheists murdering millions for the crime of not believing their specific brand of unscientific dogma.

This was done by all the major atheist regimes of the 20th century.

You really only know parts of history that are useful to your self-image, don't you?

 

[Captain X]

How is this a meme?

 

[Scottty]

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Nazis, Socialists, Communists

Nice try there, subtly trying to make them sound like different systems.

But more to the point, I've never heard of an atheist crusade and never will. The socialists were practically religious themselves, and yet they didn't wipe out religion except for where it threatened their power. The Christians

This was done by all the major atheist regimes of the 20th century.

Whataboutism.

 

[Blasterbot]

Nice try there, subtly trying to make them sound like different systems.

But more to the point, I've never heard of an atheist crusade and never will. The socialists were practically religious themselves, and yet they didn't wipe out religion except for where it threatened their power. The Christians

you are a rather close minded individual ain't ya.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

you are a rather close minded individual ain't ya.

Most atheists are rather ironically dogmatic

 

[Blasterbot]

Most atheists are rather ironically dogmatic

he really doesn't get that the USSR was an atheist country that killed millions for following any religion.

 

[ATP]

If the British just fucked off the world would be a better place because Germany would have erased the mistake known as France.

Both great ideas,BUT...who would erase the mistake known as Germany then?
Or to be precise,prussia.Bavaria and other free states were fine till prussians take over.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Both great ideas,BUT...who would erase the mistake known as Germany then?
Or to be precise,prussia.Bavaria and other free states were fine till prussians take over.

France was the mistake of God, Germany was Gods correction to that mistake. As for Poland, Well you best learn to speak German. If it means no more French then that is a price I am willing to pay.

 

[DarthOne]

 

[ATP]

France was the mistake of God, Germany was Gods correction to that mistake. As for Poland, Well you best learn to speak German. If it means no more French then that is a price I am willing to pay.

Then pay it with your country freedom,not mine.If we could not be free,then i prefer everything except communism to germans,even caliphate.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Then pay it with your country freedom,not mine.If we could not be free,then i prefer everything except communism to germans,even caliphate.

I know you have a psychotic obsession with Germany because you're a Pole but I was making a joke. Clearly my sarcastic response was lost in translation.

 

[S'task]

Taoist holy wars

As anyone who is familiar with the Romance of the Three Kingdoms can remember, Taoists led the Yellow Turban Rebellion against the Han, which then kicked off the Fall of the Han and the Rise of the Three Kingdoms, one of the bloodiest era of Chinese history.

Buddhist

There is at least one historical rebellion led by and spurred on by Buddhism, the Ikko-Ikki rebellion of Japan. This is not getting into the role Buddhism has played in ongoing civil wars and civil unrest in places like Sri Lanka or how Buddhism in Japan completely backed Japanese Imperialism in the 1930s and 40s and did nothing to soften Japanese war crimes in WW2.

 

[ATP]

I know you have a psychotic obsession with Germany because you're a Pole but I was making a joke. Clearly my sarcastic response was lost in translation.

No,germans have psychotic obsession with Poland becouse they are germans.I honestly would not care about them,if they do not try to rule Poland.
When they simply must control us,becouse,well,psychotic obsession.

 

[willdelve4beer]

Nice try there, subtly trying to make them sound like different systems.

But more to the point, I've never heard of an atheist crusade and never will. The socialists were practically religious themselves, and yet they didn't wipe out religion except for where it threatened their power. The Christians

Whataboutism.

A crusade can be best understood as an extended, multinational military campaign by adherents of a specific belief system to forcibly impose that belief system on non-believers.

The Russian Civil war, the Soviet invasion and conquest of Eastern Europe, the Soviet crushing of reformers in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Poland, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Korean War, the Spanish Civil War, the Winter War in Finland, the entire Nazi campaign across Eurasia and Africa - all of these bear all the hallmarks of crusades. That some of them failed, and others ended in draws, doesn't change what they were.

Your mistake is in presuming that the only applicable belief systems are those which are explicitly and self consciously mystical/religious/spiritual. Given that you yourself characterize socialism as pseudo-religious, you seem to be arguing something along the lines of a true-scotsman fallacy - "There have been no atheist crusades, because anyone violently imposing their beliefs on someone else isn't a real atheist." Which is considered a logical fallacy for a reason.