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Zachowon said:
Ukraine will fight until they have the donbass back or they are thoroughly defeated.
And if the US backs out, they still have Germany, Britain, Poland, many EU/NATO countries supporting them...

And this ww3 will be caused because of imperialist nations.
China, Russia and Iran...
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If the US backed out, which is should, they'd go to the bargaining table, have talks, and end up giving up rhe tiny strip of Donbas that they were always going to give up. And will give up eventually.

If the other countries would just support them? Cool. Then they should. The US should still back out.
 
Zachowon said:
I mean, Ukraine isn't an ally of convenience though...we have been working with then since 2014
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You worked with Saddam longer.

Rocinante said:
This was always going to end with Ukraine giving part of the Donbas region to Russia. That's how it will end. The question is how much US resources and Ukranian and Russian lives will be tossed into the meat grinder before it happens? Because this conflict could have been ended already. But the US military complex and neo-con/libs want to line their pockets and have most of the left and some morons on the right backing this endless war nonsense.

Ukraine will run out of troops first, they'll go to the bargaining table and agree to something that could have already happened years ago.

The questions are: How many will die first? Will nukes fly first? How much US resources will get wasted up first? Oh also, "will this kick off WW3?"

All so some politicians in the US can stay rich.
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No,before Moscov attacked,they demanded Poland and Baltics states leaving NATO.
Which mean - we would be next Bucha.
Putin simply do not stop till he butcher every nation which once belonged to soviets,and those who soviets wanted to conqer,too.

If Ukraine do not fight,and Poland was still german colony,then they would go to Atlantic - and notching there could stop them.
Only consolation - germans would be no longer usefull,so they would join us in mass graves.

Zachowon said:
Ukraine will fight until they have the donbass back or they are thoroughly defeated.
And if the US backs out, they still have Germany, Britain, Poland, many EU/NATO countries supporting them...

And this ww3 will be caused because of imperialist nations.
China, Russia and Iran...
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Germany was,is and would be Moscov ally - till they take Poland ,invade them and poor fools end in the same massgraves in which Poland die.
 
Zachowon said:
Ukraine will fight until they have the donbass back or they are thoroughly defeated.
And if the US backs out, they still have Germany, Britain, Poland, many EU/NATO countries supporting them...

And this ww3 will be caused because of imperialist nations.
China, Russia and Iran...
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China's gonna China, but tell me about this Iranian imperialism, Zach.
How many countries has Iran invaded? Last I heard, with the Iran-Iraq war, it was Saddam's idea to start it.
 
Scottty said:
China's gonna China, but tell me about this Iranian imperialism, Zach.
How many countries has Iran invaded? Last I heard, with the Iran-Iraq war, it was Saddam's idea to start it.
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True,and now,if they attack somebody,it would be Turkey.But - jews keep schitting on them,so USA must follow.Life is life.
 
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Rocinante said:
This was always going to end with Ukraine giving part of the Donbas region to Russia. That's how it will end. The question is how much US resources and Ukranian and Russian lives will be tossed into the meat grinder before it happens? Because this conflict could have been ended already. But the US military complex and neo-con/libs want to line their pockets and have most of the left and some morons on the right backing this endless war nonsense.

Ukraine will run out of troops first, they'll go to the bargaining table and agree to something that could have already happened years ago.

The questions are: How many will die first? Will nukes fly first? How much US resources will get wasted up first? Oh also, "will this kick off WW3?"

All so some politicians in the US can stay rich.
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Rocinante said:
If the US backed out, which is should, they'd go to the bargaining table, have talks, and end up giving up rhe tiny strip of Donbas that they were always going to give up. And will give up eventually.

If the other countries would just support them? Cool. Then they should. The US should still back out.
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I see you are again ignoring what is actually happening on the ground and just going with the 'Ukraine has already lost' narrative.

You don't care enough to actually investigate the realities on the ground, because you 'don't care to indulge in the pro-war circle jerk', yet you care enough to make predictions and prognostications of Ukraine's 'inevitable defeat' (in your view) from a point of willing ignorance.

The Ukrainians are the one's who are showing and saying they are willing to fight and die for the freedom of their nation, to keep Russia from getting even stronger and thinking it can annex/invade anyone it wants without consequence, and the other nations of NATO, along with places like South Korea and Japan who also support Ukraine, are not so foolish.

US aid should have more, faster than it has been, and made it so Ukraine could push the Russians out faster and with fewer Ukrainian dead.

You are completely and utterly in the wrong on the invasion of Ukraine, Roci.
 
Bacle said:
I see you are again ignoring what is actually happening on the ground and just going with the 'Ukraine has already lost' narrative.

You don't care enough to actually investigate the realities on the ground, because you 'don't care to indulge in the pro-war circle jerk', yet you care enough to make predictions and prognostications of Ukraine's 'inevitable defeat' (in your view) from a point of willing ignorance.

The Ukrainians are the one's who are showing and saying they are willing to fight and die for the freedom of their nation, to keep Russia from getting even stronger and thinking it can annex/invade anyone it wants without consequence, and the other nations of NATO, along with places like South Korea and Japan who also support Ukraine, are not so foolish.

US aid should have more, faster than it has been, and made it so Ukraine could push the Russians out faster and with fewer Ukrainian dead.

You are completely and utterly in the wrong on the invasion of Ukraine, Roci.
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Yeah lol that's why men 18-60 aren't allowed to leave the country and are being conscripted. Because they love Ukraine and want to fight for Ukraine. It's totally not the powerful oligarchs and US pushing the war to line their own pockets.

You were one of the ones going on about how "they're only sending old equipment and it's only a few billion dollars," and stuck with it through every escalation that they promised wasn't going to happen. Now they're sending cluster munitions, tanks and planes and its costing hundreds of billions of dollars, and you've switched to "they should have sent more sooner."

You're Lockheed and Raytheon's useful fool. The US is in on this war because the military complex. Arms dealers and politicians have lots of money to make, and interests to protect.

It's not about freedom, doing the right thing, or protecting a Sovereign country. It's about money, and the fact that you as a (correct) skeptic of almost everything this country does, but have blinders on with Ukraine is hard to wrap my head around.

They aren't winning. Their counter offensive has wasted lots of lives just to barely gain any territory back. And Russia has a lot more people to conscript than they do.

The US is going to let this go on and bleed both Russia and Ukraine up until Ukraine is out of people. And then they'll send them to the bargaining table to give up a strip of land that they were always going to lose anyways.

It was almost two years ago when I was saying Ukraine isn't going to win this shit, and we'd still be in it for years, and half the pro war people were all circle jerking about jow hard Russia was losing. Yet the fight goes on, and they aren't losing.
 
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Rocinante said:
Yeah lol that's why men 18-60 aren't allowed to leave the country and are being conscripted. Because they love Ukraine and want to fight for Ukraine. It's totally not the powerful oligarchs and US pushing the war to line their own pockets.
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Yes, Ukraine has instituted a draft because they are being invaded by a country that signed a security guarantee with them in exchange for giving up their nuclear weapons.

The are receiving international help because people realize that Ukraine is fighting what amounts to it's war of independence against a wannabe-resurgent Imperial Russia, and because the other signers of that security guarantee were the US and UK.

You forget many companies in the US would really like the war to end because they want the Russian marketshare back (oil companies, booze makers, commercial enterprises involving resource extraction), and that much of what is going to Ukraine is already bought and paid for items. Yes, we are helping Ukraine pay their soldiers as well, but that's not really much different than we did to keep the UK afloat in WW2.

This isn't some low-level COIN fight, this is a conventional war in eastern Europe between heavy industrial powers and large international implication due to sanctions and impacts on food supplies, and it is not dissatisfied people in the US who are going to make any decisions about what Ukraine gets to accept as victory.

I guess that's the difference here, is that I and others view aid to Ukraine the same way we do aid to the UK during WW2, not another Veitnam/A-stan.

Trump won't win in 2024, we'll have POTUS Kamala or maybe still zombie Biden, and aid will continue to flow in either case, and if Trump does win, he will learn Putin won't keep his word even to the Great Orange One and will be made to look a fool if he pressures Ukraine into a deal that only buys time for Russia to rearm.
 
Rocinante said:
This was always going to end with Ukraine giving part of the Donbas region to Russia. That's how it will end. The question is how much US resources and Ukranian and Russian lives will be tossed into the meat grinder before it happens? Because this conflict could have been ended already. But the US military complex and neo-con/libs want to line their pockets and have most of the left and some morons on the right backing this endless war nonsense.

Ukraine will run out of troops first, they'll go to the bargaining table and agree to something that could have already happened years ago.

The questions are: How many will die first? Will nukes fly first? How much US resources will get wasted up first? Oh also, "will this kick off WW3?"

All so some politicians in the US can stay rich.
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You describe a likely scenario, but it is also likely that after 2024 election Ukraine loses all american support and that this results in Russia just making a push and at a horrendous cost of lives possibly conquering all of Ukraine.
Zachowon said:
And if the US backs out, they still have Germany, Britain, Poland, many EU/NATO countries supporting them...
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So far those countries support was token compared to USA.
Also those countries don't actually have much more to give in terms of military hardware. As NATO members have been parasitically relying on USA to defend them for generations now
 
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mrttao said:
You describe a likely scenario, but it is also likely that after 2024 election Ukraine loses all american support and that this results in Russia just making a push and at a horrendous cost of lives possibly conquering all of Ukraine.

So far those countries support was token compared to USA.
Also those countries don't actually have much more to give in terms of military hardware. As NATO members have been parasitically relying on USA to defend them for generations now
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1.Moscov are postsoviet,not russians,so they have no problems with winning on mountains of their corpses
2.Western Europe - agree.Poland started developing army,and would continue it unless german party win election.
 
mrttao said:
>> It is not conscription, it is a draft!
> what is the difference?
>> The moral alignment of the person doing it! That makes it completely different! The same act can be evil when evil does it, and good when good does it.

kek, my sides.
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When did I ever say a draft was evil in the case of being invaded by a hostile power?

For the US, a draft is pointless, because we do not need it and probably never will again since no one is going to attempt a land invasion of the US, and trying to pressgang people into the Navy in the event of a Taiwan fight would likely backfire, because Taiwan is not an existential issue for the US and the justification for a draft just wouldn't be there.

For Ukraine, a draft is necessary to ensure national survival of any scale, because the frontline for Ukraine effectively extends to the Polish border due to Russian air attacks and thus there is no 'safe' homefront for civies, like there is for the US.
 
Bacle said:
When did I ever say a draft was evil in the case of being invaded by a hostile power?

For the US, a draft is pointless, because we do not need it and probably never will again since no one is going to attempt a land invasion of the US, and trying to pressgang people into the Navy in the event of a Taiwan fight would likely backfire, because Taiwan is not an existential issue for the US and the justification for a draft just wouldn't be there.

For Ukraine, a draft is necessary to ensure national survival of any scale, because the frontline for Ukraine effectively extends to the Polish border due to Russian air attacks and thus there is no 'safe' homefront for civies, like there is for the US.
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The point being that the arguments about how Ukraine wants to remain Ukraine, it's for the Ukrainian people, they want to stay Ukrainian, and will fight to to the end because Ukrainians are so patriotic, etc. All falls apart entirely when it's pointed out that the men aren't allowed to leave the country, and are being conscripted and forced to fight in a war, because there aren't enough volunteers.

This isn't a country of patriots fighting for their freedom. It's a government refusing to let their people leave and sending them to die for a strip of land they're eventually going to give up after then run out of conscripts anyways.
 
Rocinante said:
The point being that the arguments about how Ukraine wants to remain Ukraine, it's for the Ukrainian people, they want to stay Ukrainian, and will fight to to the end because Ukrainians are so patriotic, etc. All falls apart entirely when it's pointed out that the men aren't allowed to leave the country, and are being conscripted and forced to fight in a war, because there aren't enough volunteers.

This isn't a country of patriots fighting for their freedom. It's a government refusing to let their people leave and sending them to die for a strip of land they're eventually going to give up after then run out of conscripts anyways.
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...I know you won't actually pay attention to the actual events on the ground and look at what the people in Ukraine itself are saying, and will just keep saying this because you don't like actually getting into the details which can show where you are wrong.

You don't want to know enough about the war to know if/when you are wrong, you just want to make people stop supporting Ukraine because you mistakenly think Russia will ever hold to an agreement made in this regard that isn't effectively a gun to Moscow's head with multiple people able to pull the trigger.

Russia will just try again in 8-10 years once they've rearmed and rebuilt their military, unless Moscow is forced to accept complete defeat in their invasion of Ukraine and learns it can no longer under take land grabs and get anything, even slim margins, from it.

As well, at the end of the day, I know aid to Ukraine won't be cut, even if Trump somehow manages to not have the election completely rigged against him/avoids getting JFK'd.

You say I have blinders on with Ukraine, Roci, yet which one of us is actually more informed about the situation on the ground; hint, it's not the person who willingly ignores entire threads because you don't want to be confronted by the evidence against your arguments.
 
Bacle said:
...I know you won't actually pay attention to the actual events on the ground and look at what the people in Ukraine itself are saying, and will just keep saying this because you don't like actually getting into the details which can show where you are wrong.

You don't want to know enough about the war to know if/when you are wrong, you just want to make people stop supporting Ukraine because you mistakenly think Russia will ever hold to an agreement made in this regard that isn't effectively a gun to Moscow's head with multiple people able to pull the trigger.

Russia will just try again in 8-10 years once they've rearmed and rebuilt their military, unless Moscow is forced to accept complete defeat in their invasion of Ukraine and learns it can no longer under take land grabs and get anything, even slim margins, from it.

As well, at the end of the day, I know aid to Ukraine won't be cut, even if Trump somehow manages to not have the election completely rigged against him/avoids getting JFK'd.

You say I have blinders on with Ukraine, Roci, yet which one of us is actually more informed about the situation on the ground; hint, it's not the person who willingly ignores entire threads because you don't want to be confronted by the evidence against your arguments.
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I have looked at the tiny slivers of land that Ukraine has conscripted and lost thousands of men to gain back.

If the Ukraine population was so for this war they wouldn't need drafts and wouldn't need to prevent the men from leaving lol.
 
Rocinante said:
I have looked at the tiny slivers of land that Ukraine has conscripted and lost thousands of men to gain back.

If the Ukraine population was so for this war they wouldn't need drafts and wouldn't need to prevent the men from leaving lol.
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...I've realized it's poitnless to try to educate you on what is going on in Ukraine, when you very much have no desire to actually engage in a good faith debate on the topic, given your willing ignorance of what is going on and willingness to pretend Russia/Putin would actually hold to any deal made.
 
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