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CockyVampire67

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Of course not.In Mussolini state you could have small or medium bussiness and go to church as long as you do not engaged in politics.In Hitler state your bussines must do wjat state wonted,and at least protestants were state controlled.
In soviet state you could have nothing and pray to Sralin,not God.

Weren't fascist under Mussolini corporatists? As in they believed in "taming" capitalism by controlling economy and businesses? The policies many capitalist countries like US copied.
 

Abhorsen

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Weren't fascist under Mussolini corporatists? As in they believed in "taming" capitalism by controlling economy and businesses? The policies many capitalist countries like US copied.
No, you don't seem to get what corporatism is. In corporatism, some companies bribe the state, and the companies benefit. In fascism, the state controls the companies, and the state benefits in the short term at the expense of the long term and at the expense of companies that don't get chosen.
 

Abhishekm

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No, you don't seem to get what corporatism is. In corporatism, some companies bribe the state, and the companies benefit. In fascism, the state controls the companies, and the state benefits in the short term at the expense of the long term and at the expense of companies that don't get chosen.
Meh. Things get a bit convoluted when the politicians start owning the companies or the corporate owners/stakeholders become the politicians.

And what even is the political term for a government where politicians time their policy votes and releases to best suit their stock positions? Wallstreetism? Hedgeism? Dowism?
 

CockyVampire67

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No, you don't seem to get what corporatism is. In corporatism, some companies bribe the state, and the companies benefit. In fascism, the state controls the companies, and the state benefits in the short term at the expense of the long term and at the expense of companies that don't get chosen.

Yup sorry confused this one with something else. I originally meant National Industrial Recovery Act (1933) that empowered state to use private business for said state goals. That's what i was talking about. Also looking at right definition of corporatism it looks instanely socialist to me
 
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Aldarion

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No, you don't seem to get what corporatism is. In corporatism, some companies bribe the state, and the companies benefit. In fascism, the state controls the companies, and the state benefits in the short term at the expense of the long term and at the expense of companies that don't get chosen.

That is not what corporatism means. Corporatism is actually a way of organizing the state into corporations - which are essentially interest groups, but under state control.

You have good overview of Fascism here:
 

Abhorsen

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Fair point, I've confused corporatism with corptoracracy, because apparently those were different things. All my life I've been using corporatism to mean corptoracracy, apparently wrongly. Regardless, while it can be argued we live in a corptoracracy, we definitely don't live in corporatism, which is what fascism had.
 
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Abhishekm

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Fair point, I've confused corporatism with corptoracracy, because apparently those were different things. All my life I've been using corporatism to mean corptoracracy, apparently wrongly. Regardless, while it can be argued we live in a corptoracracy, we definitely don't live in corporatism.
Wh its a difference of Corporations bribing the state to control it versus Consolation being the state outright or the state being a corporation (big diff?). So the confusion is understamdable.

Robocop OCP versus Shadowruns Corporations basically. The OCP bribed the morally and financially bankrupt government to be the law whereas in Shadowrun Corporations are basically the only governments left.

Subtlw with a lot of overlap the differences of which can basically be summed up as do they have anyone left nominally outside the corporate structure itself that they still have to bribe/blackmail extract to be what they are.
 

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Aldarion

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Fair point, I've confused corporatism with corptoracracy, because apparently those were different things. All my life I've been using corporatism to mean corptoracracy, apparently wrongly. Regardless, while it can be argued we live in a corptoracracy, we definitely don't live in corporatism, which is what fascism had.

To be fair, end result of corporatism vs corporatocracy is actually not that different. Both result in a fundamentally leftist system where corporations and the state have essentially merged to the point of becoming one. What is different is the balance of power between the two: in Fascism and National Socialism, corporations exist to carry out the will of the state, whereas in corporatocracy, state exists to carry out the will of the corporations.
 

Rocinante

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I'm still trying to figure out if that's satire or a false flag. The problem is that it's not possible to tell anymore.
If it's satire, it's so close to reality that it doesn't even matter.

“I’m not going to let parents come into schools, and actually take books out, and make their own decision,” McAuliffe said.

“Yeah, I stopped the bill that I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach,” he added.

 

CockyVampire67

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I can't believe we are living in a world where there is a valid political argument that people support, that involves keeping parents out of decisions regarding the education of their children.

Kidding. I totally believe it. They really don't want parents fucking up their indoctrination camps.

What's up with this guy? He's a democrat and bashing critical rase theory at the same time. Is that even legal?
 

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