Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes

[Scottty]

 

[Zyobot]

Naw, the left is slaanesh and tzeentch, the right it nurgle and khorne

Uh… why, though?

If anything, I think this compass makes the most sense, though I might swap out Khorne and Nurgle, seeing as the former is exceedingly bloodthirsty (like the Communists) and the latter tends to be stagnant (like a caricature of the Authoritarian Right). Plus, while Nurgle’s color scheme isn’t exactly what I’d call “right-wing”, Khorne’s blood red is right at home with traditional Commie hues.

 

[Bassoe]

poles are not yet genocided

They’re getting enslaved conscripted to die in Ukraine. Give them time.

Poland plans to draft 200,000 for military training next year

The Ministry of Defence is planning to call up to 200,000 people for military training next year, according to a draft regulation presented by the ministry.

www.thefirstnews.com

 

[Batrix2070]

They’re getting enslaved conscripted to die in Ukraine. Give the

Right, you've gone. I'll let you in on a secret, do you know what it is?
The Polish Army is a conscript army with a suspended draft, and our reserves are mostly men in their late 40s and early 50s. The youngest are around 30.
These drills are imminent because de facto the Polish Army has no reserves.
Where do you think we will get the men for an army of over 300,000 from? Out of a hat?

Let alone deputies to replace the fallen. Conscription was only suspended for political reasons, the then liberal today left-liberal Prime Minister Tusk did it to improve the polls, against the opinion of the military. It was not the first time, by the way, that the army was heavily cut during his time, with whole divisions, training facilities and the like being disbanded because of the money, and now it turns out that everything is in short supply. And de facto we have to rebuild it, for example our new 18th Mechanised Division, de facto replaces the 1st Mechanised Division disbanded under Tusk in its role.

And if you leave me with the argument, conscription is slavery I think I will die laughing. The last time Poles in their masses believed in such bullshit was at the end of the 18th century, 123 years of slavery under a foreign boot effectively cures the bullshit.

 

[bintananth]

Right, you've gone. I'll let you in on a secret, do you know what it is?
The Polish Army is a conscript army with a suspended draft, and our reserves are mostly men in their late 40s and early 50s. The youngest are around 30.
These drills are imminent because de facto the Polish Army has no reserves.
Where do you think we will get the men for an army of over 300,000 from? Out of a hat?

And if you leave me with the argument, conscription is slavery I think I will die laughing. The last time Poles in their masses believed in such bullshit was at the end of the 18th century, 123 years of slavery under a foreign boot effectively cures the bullshit.

The Polish people also have very good and well documented reasons to be on a "never again" level of high alert when it comes the intentions of their neighbours.

 

[Batrix2070]

The Polish people also have very good and well documented reasons to be on a "never again" level of high alert when it comes the intentions of their neighbours.

Well, if your homeland (i.e. mine) is where it is, every human error and vice has a greater cost than elsewhere. Which means that where elsewhere, despite their faults, one or another human being would not pose much of a problem, in Poland they would usually turn out to be a dangerous disaster for the country.

For many of our failings are precisely situations where there was little that could have gone wrong, but where misjudgement or human vice caused a bad scenario.

 

[Zyobot]

Speaking of Poland and its neighbors:

 

[Batrix2070]

Speaking of Poland and its neighbors:

It reminds me of a Polish meme.

Translating into English.
Polish history really:

Knight: I destroyed the Teutonic Order
Polish Nobleman: I conquered Moscow
Hussar: I saved Europe from the Ottomans.

The beaten dog: the partitions.

Lancer: I am Napoleon's bravest soldier
Polish soldier from Greater Poland: I spanked the Germans to regain Poznan
Polish Soldier of the Ordinary: I defended Europe a second time, this time against the Bolsheviks.

Beaten dog with officer's cap: France, England Help.

Partisan: I created the Underground State and the largest resistance movement during the war.
Communist Polish Officer: Pillar of the Warsaw Pact, the Soviets and Communism (Second only to the Soviets)
Worker: I overthrew Communism

Dog in a suit : Gays bad

Polish history according to most of the world:

Partitions
Fucking up from Germany and the Soviets
Gays bad

 

[bintananth]

Well, if your homeland (i.e. mine) is where it is, every human error and vice has a greater cost than elsewhere. Which means that where elsewhere, despite their faults, one or another human being would not pose much of a problem, in Poland they would usually turn out to be a dangerous disaster for the country.

For many of our failings are precisely situations where there was little that could have gone wrong, but where misjudgement or human vice caused a bad scenario.

Poland is somewhat akin to "a rabbit surrounded by foxes". That rabbit is not having a good day and, for someone Polish, said day is pretty much "a day ending in -y".

 

[Batrix2070]

Poland is somewhat akin to "a rabbit surrounded by foxes". That rabbit is not having a good day and, for someone Polish, said day is pretty much "a day ending in -y".

Well provided that this rabbit is from Monthy Python, because we were usually such a rabbit. Especially at the beginning of our recorded history.

 

[bintananth]

Well provided that this rabbit is from Monthy Python, because we were usually such a rabbit. Especially at the beginning of our recorded history.

Rabbits are also easy pickings for stoats ... which are about 1/10th the size and slower. Stoats are batshit crazy.

 

[Abhorsen]

And if you leave me with the argument, conscription is slavery I think I will die laughing. The last time Poles in their masses believed in such bullshit was at the end of the 18th century, 123 years of slavery under a foreign boot effectively cures the bullshit.

It's slavery. It's forced labor, also known as slavery. You can say it's necessary slavery, but it is still slavery. The 'simple', moral, but expensive solution is a volunteer force instead or just increase funding for hiring/recruiting.

 

[Battlegrinder]

It's slavery. It's forced labor, also known as slavery. You can say it's necessary slavery, but it is still slavery. The 'simple', moral, but expensive solution is a volunteer force instead or just increase funding for hiring/recruiting.

This is like the libertarian version of the "life in the US is slavery, because if you don't get a job you won't have money to buy food" argument.

 

[bintananth]

It's slavery. It's forced labor, also known as slavery. You can say it's necessary slavery, but it is still slavery. The 'simple', moral, but expensive solution is a volunteer force instead or just increase funding for hiring/recruiting.

It's not slavery. It's duty. That's something the ideals of codes like chivalry and bushido* espouse. You think that everything is some sort of business transaction. It's not.

"When you see someone in need you help them." - Imam Muhhamad

* Not the "never surrender" BS which was barely overcome by the use of not just one, but two nukes which flattened two cities.

 

[Cherico]

It's not slavery. It's duty. That's something the ideals of codes like chivalry and bushido*. You think that everthing is some sort of business transaction. It's not.

* Not the "never surrender" BS which was barely overcome by the use of not just one, but two nukes which flattened two cities.

I personally see the risk of conscription and being drafted as the price of being able to vote.

I think a worthy compromise is to allow the people who don't want to serve to have their citizenship downgraded, still having all of the rights except the rights to vote, hold political office or get a government job.

 

[Batrix2070]

It's slavery. It's forced labor, also known as slavery. You can say it's necessary slavery, but it is still slavery. The 'simple', moral, but expensive solution is a volunteer force instead or just increase funding for hiring/recruiting.

What didn't you understand about the phrase that the Polish Army has been a conscript army since partition? The times of the volunteer army passed away with the fall of the PLC, it turned out that it was impossible to defeat an opponent like Russia without organised conscription even despite better tactics and equipment.
We planned 100,000 against Russia in the 18th, we collected barely 70,000 which we had to use quickly against Russia.

Forgive me, but 123 years of slavery taught us pragmatism and the ability to understand that even freedom has its limits. We Poles were libertarians at the time before the partitions that you would probably have felt as if you were in paradise despite the lower technology. Today the PLC is gone, having been torn to shreds by authoritarian and absolutist monarchies.

So if we've learned anything from history, it's that sometimes you have to be a slave to your own homeland and break freedom to survive. And the Third Republic, in terms of the military is simply the People's Republic but democratic.
As, you see according to Polish law the Polish army has the right to call up any Polish citizen anytime and anywhere and there is no that you don't want to, they have ways on such.
And where is the main foundation?
In the constitution in article 85.
Article 85.

- The duty of a Polish citizen is to defend the Fatherland.

- The extent of the obligation to perform military service shall be determined by law.

- A citizen whose religious convictions or professed moral principles do not permit him to perform military service may be obliged to perform alternative service on the terms and conditions laid down by law.

 

[Aldarion]

So Mel Brooks was closer to the reality of the Middle Ages than the Kevin Costner film?

If you want reality of Middle Ages, watch old (preferably pre-1960s) movies. They may not be perfect, but they are far closer to truth than any modern trash.

Old movie:

Modern garbage:

 

[Abhorsen]

This is like the libertarian version of the "life in the US is slavery, because if you don't get a job you won't have money to buy food" argument.

No. No one's got a gun to your head to force one to get food. You can do any number of things in the US to get food, including going to soup kitchens, etc.

No, here the state is forcing people to go and work in a specific set of jobs against their will. That's slavery. Seriously, forced labor is slavery, not a complicated concept.

It's not slavery. It's duty. That's something the ideals of codes like chivalry and bushido* espouse. You think that everthing is some sort of business transaction. It's not.

* Not the "never surrender" BS which was barely overcome by the use of not just one, but two nukes which flattened two cities.

Fuck someone outside of yourself forcing you to do something because 'duty', especially the state. The communists held that it was the Pole's duty to slave as workers for their machine, that's some bullshit there. This too is bullshit. Less bullshit, and with an understandable motivation, but still bullshit.

What didn't you understand about the phrase that the Polish Army has been a conscript army since partition? The times of the volunteer army passed away with the fall of the PLC, it turned out that it was impossible to defeat an opponent like Russia without organised conscription even despite better tactics and equipment.

I don't care how long it's been a conscript army. It's been a slave army for that long. That's fucking stupid, and they should fix that. Citing laws against a moral argument is just a failure as well. I don't give a shit what the law says, I care what is moral. Legality != morality.

At best, one could give an argument that the slavery is a necessary evil (I don't buy it here, a volunteer force would work fine), but never forget that it is evil.

 

[Batrix2070]

If you want reality of Middle Ages, watch old (preferably pre-1960s) movies. They may not be perfect, but they are far closer to truth than any modern trash.

I personally recommend the Polish super-production "Krzyzacy." In English its title is "Knights of the Teutonic Order". It's from 1960 and shows 15th century Poland quite well, although there are some goofs and historical transformations it's more because of the source material than communism.

I don't care how long it's been a conscript army. It's been a slave army for that long. That's fucking stupid, and they should fix that. Citing laws against a moral argument is just a failure as well. I don't give a shit what the law says, I care what is moral. Legality != morality.

At best, one could give an argument that the slavery is a necessary evil (I don't buy it here, a volunteer force would work fine), but never forget that it is evil.

And it should, because we lost our independence despite an army of volunteers to serve later as slaves in other armies
So you know, your argument breaks down to a simple fact, either you are a super army or you are conquered.
So we prefer our own army where we can set our own agenda rather than a foreign army. Even despite 'slavery'. If you want to believe in fairy tales, believe. But the reality is that there is a limit to such action.

 

[Aldarion]

I personally recommend the Polish super-production "Krzyzacy." In English its title is "Knights of the Teutonic Order". It's from 1960 and shows 15th century Poland quite well, although there are some goofs and historical transformations it's more because of the source material than communism.

Thanks!

EDIT:

Speaking of Poland and its neighbors:

To be fair, Poland in World War 2 actually put up a creditable fight, considering the circumstances. If memory serves me, the author of Poland Betrayed even posits that Poland might have successfully defended itself from German attack if it weren't for the Soviet betrayal.