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Skallagrim

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Yes, I'm also in favor of people paying their taxes.

As for paying twice, that depends on if you get more than one benefit from society. If one has both, say, usable roads and a military protecting them from warlords one could fairly say they've gained two benefits and should thus pay twice.

And yes, it can lead to socialism if carried too far. As with anything, going to an absurd extreme is going to have bad results. It's up to the nations in aggregate to decide where they lie on the spectrum.
"Nations in aggregate" sounds exactly like "tyranny of the majority". I'm not a fan. I'm also not in favour of people paying their taxes. In fact, as I've said many times before, I'm explicitly in favour of summarily executing all tax-collectors. They are not entitled to what I earn from my labour. If they want to rob me at gun-point, they're entitled to as humane a death as I can give them.

If you want to offer a membership that provides benefits that you believe I'll enjoy, then make the offer. If it's reasonable, I'll subscribe and pay the fee. But if you put a gun to my head and call it "justice", I'll happily murder you the first chance I get. My loyalty can be earned, but never forced. That's only human. And that's also why conscript armies, incidentally, are fucking dumb.
 

Zyobot

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"Nations in aggregate" sounds exactly like "tyranny of the majority". I'm not a fan. I'm also not in favour of people paying their taxes. In fact, as I've said many times before, I'm explicitly in favour of summarily executing all tax-collectors. They are not entitled to what I earn from my labour.

If you want to offer a membership that proides benefits that you believe I'll enjoy, then make the offer. If it's rsonable, I'll subscibe and pay the fee. But if you put a gun to my head and call it "justice", I'll happily murder you the first chance I get. My loyalty can be earned, but never forced. That's only human. And that's also why conscript armies, incidentally, are fucking dumb.

Well... it seems you and @Abhorsen actually agree on some fundamental issues, even if your desired measures are considerably "harsher" and more traditionalist than his.

But yeah, while I can sympathize with Poland enacting conscription for historical reasons, I don't think we should laud it as a "Righteous, patriotic measure!" that's the be-all, end-all of how to run your society. Unfortunately, the Polish government will do what it does no matter what we think, though considering what their gigantic eastern neighbor is up to, objections to national service may become the least of our problems. :(
 

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
No, you aren't just paying for the army. You are enslaving a large part of it. And the slavery is wrong. Maybe it's a necessary evil, but still acknowledge it as evil.
An army is an army, voluntary or not it makes no difference. What matters is whether it is effective. And we Poles have neither the time nor the inclination for ideological drunkenness.

That's still slavery. All I'm asking you to do is acknowledge the necessary evil as the evil it is, and not play the name game, pretending that it isn't.

Well, then I will answer yes.
This is idiotic and shows that you are a libertarian fanatic ready to consider ideological principles more important than saving the fatherland.

In the PLC, the people who did that led the country to collapse, thus both freedom and the possibility of defending it disappeared. And for the next 123 years we tried to reverse this. With various results, often painful for us.

We, on the basis of this and the following experience of subsequent ideological cretinism, decided that it was more important to defend the home in order to thus have what we love most, freedom.

But in doing so, we understood one important thing. Everything has its limits, even freedom. Freedom without limits, turns into arbitrariness and this leads us to our downfall.

So if we must have an army of 'slaves' but be free then we are able to pay these prices. An ideology, even the greatest (because it is one's own), is not worth losing the homeland, because then you lose both the ideology and the homeland to keep it alive.

That is our conclusion, if you want to be smarter then please do. Do so and you will see why a nation like the Poles whose freedom used to be libertarian today is not.
 

Abhorsen

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Well, then I will answer yes.
This is idiotic and shows that you are a libertarian fanatic ready to consider ideological principles more important than saving the fatherland.
Oh, no. I believe in basic human rights, you got me. The shock. The horror.

All you wrote were a bunch of justifications for slavery. You tried to justify it in various ways. I didn't even bother disputing that, all I wanted was for you to call a spade a spade: conscription is slavery. Maybe it's 'justified' slavery, but please accept that it is slavery.

But in doing so, we understood one important thing. Everything has its limits, even freedom. Freedom without limits, turns into arbitrariness and this leads us to our downfall.
Lol, this is how you end up with no freedom right here. "Reasonable limits" is how every authoritarian government in sheeps clothing comes around to removing recognition of all rights.

That is our conclusion, if you want to be smarter then please do. Do so and you will see why a nation like the Poles whose freedom used to be libertarian today is not.
When the hell were the poles libertarian? You never were.
 

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
When the hell were the poles libertarian? You never were.
Today's Poles? Not at all, because we are not supporters of any ideology; on the contrary, we have an automatic loathing for it, even for libertarian ideology. Why? Because it restricts our freedom to some kind of fantasy.
But the 18th century? Oh yes, those Poles and the earlier ones were Libertarian, no written laws in operation, always a contract on the word of honour. You would have found yourself in the PLC, even as a peasant.
All you wrote were a bunch of justifications for slavery. You tried to justify it in various ways. I didn't even bother disputing that, all I wanted was for you to call a spade a spade: conscription is slavery. Maybe it's 'justified' slavery, but please accept that it is slavery.
Forgive me, but for me and for many Poles it is not slavery, but a legitimate duty. The only conscript army that is slavery for us is the foreign one, our conscript army is an honor and an expression of love for the motherland and anyone who opposes this army in our country is at best considered an idiot and at worst a traitor for whom a rope or banishment is needed.

What's more, to me your talk sounds like slavish devotion to some kind of madness.


Lol, this is how you end up with no freedom right here. "Reasonable limits" is how every authoritarian government in sheeps clothing comes around to removing recognition of all rights.
Psss.
I'll let you in on another secret, many Poles wouldn't mind an authoritarian government if that government understands how to govern us and is effective at what it does.
The opinion that for us democracy fits like a fist to our nose is not at all rare.
 

Abhorsen

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Today's Poles? Not at all, because we are not supporters of any ideology; on the contrary, we have an automatic loathing for it, even for libertarian ideology. Why? Because it restricts our freedom to some kind of fantasy.
But the 18th century? Oh yes, those Poles and the earlier ones were Libertarian, no written laws in operation, always a contract on the word of honour. You would have found yourself in the PLC, even as a peasant.
The PLC was a nice system, don't get me wrong. The existence of nobility and only them having rights makes it not libertarian, but I see where you are coming from.

Forgive me, but for me and for many Poles it is not slavery, but a legitimate duty. The only conscript army that is slavery for us is the foreign one, our conscript army is an honor and an expression of love for the motherland and anyone who opposes this army in our country is at best considered an idiot and at worst a traitor for whom a rope or banishment is needed.

What's more, to me your talk sounds like slavish devotion to some kind of madness.
For you, it is an honor. If it's such an honor, than join voluntarily. For another, it might not be. To that person, it would be slavery. The idea of the state forcing duty on it's population has a long history in poland, and not a kind one.

Again, how is forced labor not slavery?

Psss.
I'll let you in on another secret, many Poles wouldn't mind an authoritarian government if that government understands how to govern us and is effective at what it does.
The opinion that for us democracy fits like a fist to our nose is not at all rare.
I don't care about what form of government you have. I care what your government does to its citizens. In your case, it enslaves them.
 

ATP

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They’re getting enslaved conscripted to die in Ukraine. Give them time.
Nope,we simply do not have trained reservists.German party led by Donal Tusk did it.
And german union/EU/ is trying to help Moscov,so they certainly not let us send soldiers there.
 

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Here comes the Fourth Reich
It annoys me how often those fuckers strip people of degrees over political bullshit.
they stripped the degrees off the guy who discovered DNA because "he racis".
they stripped the degrees off of various scientists because they spoke out against the covid scam.

Scientific consensus... and if you disagree we will just strip you of your degree so you won't count as a scientist anymore
 

Rocinante

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It annoys me how often those fuckers strip people of degrees over political bullshit.
they stripped the degrees off the guy who discovered DNA because "he racis".
they stripped the degrees off of various scientists because they spoke out against the covid scam.

Scientific consensus... and if you disagree we will just strip you of your degree so you won't count as a scientist anymore
Stripping someone of an honorary degree is about as pointless as the honorary degree was in the first place.

Now if they paid money, atrented classes, graduated the programs, then it's a big fucking problem.

Stripping away a meaningless honorary degree is just pointless virtue signalling, just like issuing them in the first place.
 

mrttao

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Stripping someone of an honorary degree is about as pointless as the honorary degree was in the first place.

Now if they paid money, atrented classes, graduated the programs, then it's a big fucking problem.

Stripping away a meaningless honorary degree is just pointless virtue signalling, just like issuing them in the first place.
They do strip real degrees too. Where someone attended classes, paid money, etc.
the examples I gave were for regular degrees not honorary ones
 

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