LGBT and the US Conservative Movement

[Stargazer]

Christ, the king of heaven who while he walked this earth cast out the money lending vermin from his father's house and who upon his return is supposed to annihilate Satan and usher in an age of glory for his flock...would totally endorse your brand of heretical idolatry that allows evil to germinate.

Aight bro. You've gone from lying about me and twisting my shit to lying about Jesus, even fucking Shadow doesn't psyop that hard.

Pathetic.

Like I said,.you will continue to lose ground, evil will continue to flourish and when Jesus and his dad blow up the universe or we die whichever comes first, we'll see whose right.

In the meantime the rest of us are gonna keep cucking you out of control over over American right and continue fixing the country you let them ruin...

Idolatry? What am I idolizng, exactly? You're such a joke that you don't even know what the words you're using mean. Jesus said if someone strikes you, to turn the other cheek. He said to love your neighbor as yourself, and gave a parable to demonstrate that even people you think are your worst enemies are your neighbor. He inspired Paul to write that kindness and gentleness are fruits of the spirit, and that enmity and strife are works of the flesh.

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Matthew 5:43‭-‬48 ESV

So yes, I absolutely do think Jesus would "endorse" my attitude on these issues, and I can actually point to His words in Scripture to prove it. If a course of action is unkind, unloving, unjust? Then it's not Christian, and Christians have no business supporting it or participating in it.

Not that it would make a difference to you one way or the other what Jesus actually said, you're not interested in truth. You see a threat and your lizard brain only knows to react with violence and cruelty.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

Idolatry? What am I idolizng, exactly? You're such a joke that you don't even know what the words you're using mean. Jesus said if someone strikes you, to turn the other cheek. He said to love your neighbor as yourself, and gave a parable to demonstrate that even people you think are your worst enemies are your neighbor. He inspired Paul to write that kindness and gentleness are fruits of the spirit, and that enmity and strife are works of the flesh.

He gave a parable that said that neighbors can be found even among our enemies -- and that some among our own people are not neighbors. To say "all of our enemies are our neighbors", or "all of our own people are our neighbors", contradicts His words.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Snip for .more dishonest posturing.

I dont know the words that are coming out of my mouth, the words you've consistently been caught and exposed as twisting and misrepresenting to fit your agenda, my words which seem to echo somewhat both with Christianity as interpreted by the religious right for most of its existence (lol@you claiming people like John Brown didn't exist and or weren't celebrated). But you have the audacity to suggest that wanting to oppose people who literally.vow to rape our children and murder God is an act of evil.

Or that wanting to help the sick and the dangerous by protecting then from themselves is also evil.

Christ may have preached turning the other cheek but he never advocated submitting to evil.

An attack upon our civilization and our children are forms of evil.

And you. By your dishonesty towards me are not turning the other cheek but using me to indulge in your own vanity which is very much a sin.

Slink away cuckservative, you won't be able to use me to virtue signal, it will end in theatrics at your expense.

If Conservatives wish to call themselves Christians, this is a standard they must uphold.

If conservatives consider themselves to be part of the flock then at no point should they tolerate the ritualized genital mutilation of human beings for the purposes of self indulgence and worshipping at the altar of leftist secularism. And SRS is very much a ritual, it isn't medicine and it isn't science it's a fuckimg blood rite. A violent prayer to appease the voices in their heads.

Both Yahweh and his aspect on earth were pretty damn explicit about what ought to be done about such things

 

[Stargazer]

The fact of the matter is that accepting trans ideology, as you seem to, is unpopular with conservativism in the US. This has literally always been the case. This in my experience becomes markedly more, not less, pronounced within the grassroots and with religious conservatives. It's so unpopular though that even groups like "LGBTs for Trump" etc. seriously consider dropping th T. Presenting yourself as more central to US conservative viewpoints on this issue than @The Immortal Watch Dog is either obviously incorrect (and you know it to be obviously incorrect if you've spent literally any time around conservatives) or lying.

I don't accept "trans ideology". I believe that God created humans male and female, and that Biblical precedent shows that is to be recognized from birth (under Old Testament law, boys were to be circumcised several days after birth, but not girls, thus requiring recognition of sex through anatomy.) The concept of gender as something separate from sex is utterly foreign to the Bible. The Bible at times gives commands specific to men or women, and I don't think it's valid to act like those commands change based on how you feel. And simply as a matter of science, I don't think it's possible to obtain the physical sex opposite of your birth through hormones and surgery. What it effectively does is make you a eunuch as a man or barren as a woman, changes the shape of your body some, and you deceive yourself and others into thinking you're now the opposite sex.

My disagreement with Watch Dog is in regards to how "transgender people", and people who promote transgender ideology, should be treated.

 

[LindyAF]

I don't accept "trans ideology". I believe that God created humans male and female, and that Biblical precedent shows that is to be recognized from birth (under Old Testament law, boys were to be circumcised several days after birth, but not girls, thus requiring recognition of sex through anatomy.) The concept of gender as something separate from sex is utterly foreign to the Bible. The Bible at times gives commands specific to men or women, and I don't think it's valid to act like those commands change based on how you feel. And simply as a matter of science, I don't think it's possible to obtain the physical sex opposite of your birth through hormones and surgery. What it effectively does is make you a eunuch as a man or barren as a woman, changes the shape of your body some, and you deceive yourself and others into thinking you're now the opposite sex.

My disagreement with Watch Dog is in regards to how "transgender people", and people who promote transgender ideology, should be treated.

Ah, okay. I haven't been following the thread too closely, and I misunderstood your position then.

 

[Stargazer]

my words which seem to echo somewhat both with Christianity as interpreted by the religious right for most of its existence (lol@you claiming people like John Brown didn't exist and or weren't celebrated).

People like John Brown aren't my moral standard or authority.

But you have the audacity to suggest that wanting to oppose people who literally.vow to rape our children and murder God is an act of evil.

Nope, never said it's evil to oppose such things.

Or that wanting to help the sick and the dangerous by protecting then from themselves is also evil.

Never said this either.

Christ may have preached turning the other cheek but he never advocated submitting to evil.

And I'm not advocating that either.

And you. By your dishonesty towards me are not turning the other cheek but using me to indulge in your own vanity which is very much a sin.

You have no authority to say what is or isn't sin.

Slink away cuckservative, you won't be able to use me to virtue signal, it will end in theatrics at your expense.

Nah I'm sticking around for a while.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

Sodomy and adultery in their various forms are always an abomination, and it is lawful in the eyes of the Lord that sodomites and adulterers be put to death. Yet, Christ Himself allowed that we may be merciful (in the parable of the adulterous woman), that the body of Christ not execute itself in a circular firing squad.

 

[LordsFire]

You know, it's really disturbing how 'You can oppose trangenderism without being cruel to people caught in its cultish mindset' is being taken to mean 'submit to them.'

You can be fully prepared to do violence to someone if they cross the line, but still have an attitude of 'I'd really rather we didn't go there.'

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

You know, it's really disturbing how 'You can oppose trangenderism without being cruel to people caught in its cultish mindset' is being taken to mean 'submit to them.'

Because of the way they do things, it has become such. They begin by taking advantage of your kindness, then they continue by demanding more and more and more using your compassion to suppress your neighbors.

Nah I'm sticking around for a while.

Then every time you attempt to use me to boost yourself, you're going to get rocked.

Sodomy and adultery in their various forms are always an abomination, and it is lawful in the eyes of the Lord that sodomites and adulterers be put to death. Yet, Christ Himself allowed that we may be merciful (in the parable of the adulterous woman), that the body of Christ not execute itself in a circular firing squad.

One would argue, the extent of that mercy is just before aiding and abetting ritualized and prolonged self murder.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

One would argue, the extent of that mercy is just before aiding and abetting ritualized and prolonged self murder.

Speaking not in the spirit, but for myself, I am inclined to agree. Particularly when it comes to the adult bonesaws who do the cock-cutting and drug-pushing, and the adult cult leaders who organize the calculated love-bombings and shunnings of those who do or do not adhere to their cult.

Yet, we must be merciful with the children they are abusing, right up until they flip to being child-abusers themselves.

 

[Stargazer]

Then every time you attempt to use me to boost yourself, you're going to get rocked.

This started with you challenging me on something, dude. Get a life.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Sodomy and adultery in their various forms are always an abomination, and it is lawful in the eyes of the Lord that sodomites and adulterers be put to death. Yet, Christ Himself allowed that we may be merciful (in the parable of the adulterous woman), that the body of Christ not execute itself in a circular firing squad.

...my good man, calm down.

This sort of rhetoric will have your position dismissed outright. I personally don't think being gay or promiscuous deserves death as a punishment for lifestyle choices. Chastise it if you must, but don't declare them to be an "abomination."

 

[King Arts]

Idolatry? What am I idolizng, exactly? You're such a joke that you don't even know what the words you're using mean. Jesus said if someone strikes you, to turn the other cheek. He said to love your neighbor as yourself, and gave a parable to demonstrate that even people you think are your worst enemies are your neighbor. He inspired Paul to write that kindness and gentleness are fruits of the spirit, and that enmity and strife are works of the flesh.

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Matthew 5:43‭-‬48 ESV

So yes, I absolutely do think Jesus would "endorse" my attitude on these issues, and I can actually point to His words in Scripture to prove it. If a course of action is unkind, unloving, unjust? Then it's not Christian, and Christians have no business supporting it or participating in it.

Not that it would make a difference to you one way or the other what Jesus actually said, you're not interested in truth. You see a threat and your lizard brain only knows to react with violence and cruelty.

You know Jesus is not a hippy right? He insulted people he called them dogs, or children of the devil. So no calling them trannies is not a bridge to far or some kind of monstrous act that is unchristian. It’s a slang term that shortens the full term of what these crazy people call themselves.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

This sort of rhetoric will have your position dismissed outright.

By who?

I personally don't think being gay or promiscuous deserves death as a punishment for lifestyle choices.

Your opinion on this topic is worth about as much as your ability to exert strong and weak nuclear forces.

Chastise it if you must, but don't declare them to be an "abomination."

They are an abomination. Pretending otherwise doesn't help anyone, and is terribly cruel to those who face their temptations and might conceivably turn aside were they confronted with the truth.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

This started with you challenging me on something, dude. Get a life.

>Post15 year old reddit meme Fedora tippers used to spam

>Calls self Christian

The absolute state of the Cuckservative.

...my good man, calm down.

This sort of rhetoric will have your position dismissed outright. I personally don't think being gay or promiscuous deserves death as a punishment for lifestyle choices. Chastise it if you must, but don't declare them to be an "abomination."

I used to think so...then I watched a bunch of retarded fake Catholics and Feds who went too deep undercover legitimately argue this position for two years and gain millions of followers who now ..have branched off to form a dozen different factions each with half a million to a million members...who upon teaming up with the actual America First Movement have managed to take over huge swaths of the GOPe on the ground level.

The left created a culture where being edgy, extreme and absolute was sexy, then made themselves the mainstream and so now being a militant fundamentalist or a hardcore nationalist/nativist is the sexy, outside extreme.

So while that may be so in your circle of friends? Yeah this shit isn't being dismissed so much anymore but being cheered.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

They are an abomination. Pretending otherwise doesn't help anyone, and is terribly cruel to those who face their temptations and might conceivably turn aside were they confronted with the truth.

And what truth is this, pray tell? That people who can't keep it in their trousers are "evil"?

Having known supposed "sodomites" and "adulterers", they struck me as people who made poor life decisions at times but were far away from monstrous. Dehumanising them achieves nothing, is terribly impolite, and just makes you look utterly consumed by dogma.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

And what truth is this, pray tell? That people who can't keep it in their trousers are "evil"?

Don't, not can't. Everyone can choose not to fuck people who aren't their spouse. It is easy, and even from a strictly materialistic and pragmatic point of view it makes a ton of sense. You don't even have to do the usual shit-shower-shave before heading out to the meat market to get your dick wet, you can skip the entire trip.

Having known supposed "sodomites" and "adulterers", they struck me as people who made poor life decisions at times but were far away from monstrous. Dehumanising them achieves nothing, is terribly impolite, and just makes you look utterly consumed by dogma.

I find your appeal to optics uncompelling in light of the Lord's commandments, the plague that 80s sodomites incubated and died to, and the new plagues (antibiotic resistant STDs) currently being incubated and spread by Tinder/Grindr perverts.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Don't, not can't. Everyone can choose not to fuck people who aren't their spouse. It is easy, and even from a strictly materialistic and pragmatic point of view it makes a ton of sense. You don't even have to do the usual shit-shower-shave before heading out to the meat market to get your dick wet, you can skip the entire trip.

Yes, poor lifestyle decisions indicating a lack of self control. I don't see the evil in this. Just something society can frown on at the very most.

I find your appeal to optics uncompelling in light of the Lord's commandments, the plague that 80s sodomites incubated and died to, and the new plagues (antibiotic resistant STDs) currently being incubated and spread by Tinder/Grindr perverts.

And I find your naked zealotry deeply off putting, if not unsettling.

Good day.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I find your appeal to optics uncompelling in light of the Lord's commandments, the plague that 80s sodomites incubated and died to, and the new plagues (antibiotic resistant STDs) currently being incubated and spread by Tinder/Grindr perverts.

Liver failure due to heavy drug use and various diseases and rectal syphilis are both now a serious problem where I live, the ground zero for both is an LGBT heavy area.

 

[Morphic Tide]

That is a fair point; however, what I mean is that the Reimer case is directly applicable to intersex persons, and only indirectly applicable to transgender persons.

Am I recalling incorrectly that the primary scientific basis of transgenderism being both not a choice and not a "mere" mental disorder was a study showing their neurology had key aspects closer to the opposite sex? Or that a major aspect of the transgender community is using surgery and hormone supplements to force their anatomy to more closely correspond to the opposite sex?

What the fuck do you even mean by intersex if it isn't applicable to transgenderism? Because I have heard absolutely nothing of "intersex rights" as a distinct thing. Also, genderfluidity "is a thing", that directly requires the "because I say so" standard to at all be something one can tie any kind of policy to. To say nothing of nonbinaries.