What is so hard for you to grasp that the attraction in that case is toward children, not toward men?
The gender is irrelevant.
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The gender is irrelevant.
So now you are using a made up definition of gay. For example, a molested choir boy isn't necessarily gay. Also, it's not necessary for a male to have sex to be gay, and a male could decide to experiment to determine if he was gay and discover they were straight. It's attraction to the male figure that determines whether one is gay or not.
The gender is the only thing relevant in wether or not it's gay. It doesnt matter if you only had sex with a man because they were blonde thats still gay I cant even believe I've found anyone seriously indulging this kind of thinking.
Being forced to do something is not the same as doing something thats pedantic as fuck.
Okay, but your original definition included that. Choose a better definition next time. The other problems still hold, and even if you corrected this, your definition doesn't work.
The definition of pedantry. Being forced to do something is different than doing something I don't know where you're from but this is how normal humans talk.
You still haven't responded to the other points, and perhaps the reason I'm being a pedant is because you definition is stupid on multiple levels, and I wanted to see how far the stupid went. Given you haven't responded to the other points, it seems go on for a while.
Yes.
Yeah cause your goofy pedantry is going to bring any discussion you're in to a screeching halt like for real try this in real life sometime you're acting insane.
No, the small bit of pedantry is something that was dealt with posts ago, and you seem to be focusing on it in a desperate but futile attempt to distract from the multitude of other problems with your definition (besides it not being the actual definition).
It wasnt dealt with at all. You flat out revealed that you're having this discussion in bad faith with your asinine dig at the idea that a male engaging in sex with a male is gay. You can downplay it all you like but your "small bit" of throwing an embarrassing piss fit over basic intelligible human communication showed your true colors.
Gay sex is gay.
Males who fuck males are gay.
Doing an action is different than having your participation forced and so saying "X did Y" or "X participated in Y" does not need to be pointed out as incongruent to "X was physically forced into Y" as long as you have the communication skills of the average human.
You think that arrogant pedantry makes you look cool.
All four of these are self evident to anyone not engaging in bad faith.
Me being slightly pedantic, both in real life and carrying that online, is now bad faith? You're calling something bad faith? All you do is come onto threads, state something crazy, and never back up your claims with evidence. That's actual bad faith.
Meanwhile, you still, still, haven't addressed those other points, so until you do, I'm going to accept the lack of response as you agreeing that you have no counter to those points, and thus your custom, made up definition is crap. And yes, this is your custom definition that other sources don't use.
Honestly what it boils down to is the old argument of homosexuality not being something that someone is born with, combined with an effort to connect it with pedophilia, which is the go-to smear for partisans on both sides of the aisle - witness the recent effort to ban anime and manga , which is now out-performing Western media, by the regressive left through efforts to connect it to pedophilia. Something made all the more ridiculous by the same people defending "Cuties" and insisting that criticism of it is a "right-wing obsession."
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Let us assume for a moment that gay people more often engage in certain kinds of misbehavior: rape, child molestation, promiscuity, leftism, etc. This may or may not be true, but let us assume for the moment that it is.
So gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men. What does that mean for innocent gay men? Can they be held responsible for things that they didn’t do? Men in general commit rape and murder at higher rates than women do. Black men commit rape and murder at higher rates than white men.
A person is only ever responsible for their own behavior, not for the actions of other members of a shared demographic category.
So when it comes to our personal decisions, maybe x group acting badly more often than y group can inform our behavior, but should it influence law? That is more questionable.
So gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men. What does that mean for innocent gay men? Can they be held responsible for things that they didn’t do? Men in general commit rape and murder at higher rates than women do. Black men commit rape and murder at higher rates than white men.
A person is only ever responsible for their own behavior, not for the actions of other members of a shared demographic category.
So when it comes to our personal decisions, maybe x group acting badly more often than y group can inform our behavior, but should it influence law? That is more questionable.
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I agree Gender is all that's relevant relevant in determining whether or not it's gay. Thank you for reinforcing the point. Gender is all that matters in determining if something is gay. In this instance the attraction has nothing to do with gender, so I'm glad we can finally agree that it's not gay.
If you want to get technical, a man raping a boy may be a "homosexual act," by strictly technical terms, but as that study pointed out, for a lot of pedophiles, they're actually attracted to adult women. When they are attracted to children, it has nothing to do with gender, they'd go for either gender.
It's CHILDREN they are attracted to. This supercedes the gender because the GENDER that they are attracted to is FEMALE. with their pedophilia, they aren't attracted to the gender. That's not gay. That's pedophilia. You just want it to be gay, because you want to have a smear against gay people for this argument, but you keep being told that their attraction toward children has NOTHING to do with homosexuality.
you used blonde as an example. If someone had an extreme blonde fetish where they wanted to fuck everyone who was blonde, he may partake in homosexual acts, and I'd call him at least bisexual, but the driver isn't attraction to men. he might otherwise be straight but just reallllly fetishises blondes.
The thing is, with the pedophile, the testosterone hasn't kicked in yet. Boys and girls are very similar up to a certain age, and that study is pointing out that when it comes to adults, a lot of these pedos have straight preferences while not having gendered preferences toward children.
Calling those people gay just so you can say "see look, gays are degenerates and pedophiles," is dishonest as fuck.
Why do you want to smear the gays so badly?
And you keep saying you're talking just like normal people in person. Idk who you're hanging around with in person, but I have a word for people who act how I've see you recently acting, when I run into them in person. It's "asshole," and I tend to avoid having conversations with them entirely.
Seriously. I've known you online for years and you can be crass, but lately most of the time I see you on here you're being a complete dick to whoever you're talking with. You don't have to take my advice, but I'd recommend changing your attitude by 180 degrees if you want to have meaningful conversations.
We can discuss and disagree on things without being rude to one another.
Sorry mods if you think this is flaming, or breaking civility rules, but I consider it user intervention and have considered absenseofmalice an online friend for a few years. I think he can handle some advice. whether he decides to take the advice or not is on him.
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Gay sex is gay its not gay attraction.
Pedo sex is pedophilia, it's not gay.
True.Western Europe was lost becouse conservatives there decided to support leftist values.
And if people could vote for leftist with leftist values,and conservative with leftist values,they would vote for pure leftists.It is logical.
It is exactly like with christianity - those Churches which stick to Bible/Tradition/both are still popular,those which decided to be progressive are empty.
Why Poland have still full churches,and Belgium not ? becouse priest in Poland still demand from people be faitful to God,when priests in Belgium are practising social support.
The same with politics.Conservative Parties who say that sex is private matter and there is no reason to support people becouse how they fuck would gain support,those who become lgbt friendly would vanish.
Pedo sex between two people of the same gender is gay because sex between two people of the same gender is gay.
The pedophilia supercedes the gay. A lot of those abusers are into ADULT WOMEN and are not otherwise gay EXCEPT when engaging in pedophilia, in which case they are attracted to the fact that they're children, not boys. This means they are PEDOPHILES, not gay men.
"It's not gay if it's a trap see its a feminine penis technically I'm attracted to the female form so fucking a ladyboy isnt gay" Nothing "supercedes" the gay.
