Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Thread

[Zachowon]

The constitution is already not standing.

Several states violated it in the last election, and no one is facing any consequences.

It's just a sheet of paper at this point.

This is exactly what they want us to do.
Give up and agree the constitution is useless.

Don't let them win.

 

[Bacle]

Only if you're an idiot.

For big cases both the prosecution and defense do deep dive investigations into Juror's. At which point if they find out a juror omitted a potential bias they will bring it to the judge and request the juror be removed.

At which point the Juror who omitted the things can get in big trouble.

In normal times, and with normal cases, I'd completely agree, and I do agree with the point you make regarding juror background checks that are done by the court.

However, we are looking at a case which is probably going to be highly politicized, and a suggestion by a member that not doing everything possible to sit on a jury for a case like this is a 'duty' to pursue because of political issues.

The man he is criticizing decided to be upfront about his own potential biases, which is the right thing to do in jury selection. The only implication I could take away from the way the post was worded and the context was that the poster thought the man should have not said anything and potentially sat the jury, even if his 'bias' might cause issues later, in the eyes of the media, politicians, or the defense/prosecution teams.

As well, the point @prinCZess made about the Damocles Sword hanging over any jurors and their families, due to the likely actions of the mass media, is still valid.

The constitution is already not standing.

Several states violated it in the last election, and no one is facing any consequences.

It's just a sheet of paper at this point.

We'll see.

I can admit we may reach a point the Constitution may become moot, however I do not think we have reach that point yet.

Particularly when it comes to the criminal justice system; when/if we have truly lost that, then we are in a post-Constitutional US.

I do not think we have lost it yet, and this case will be a good barometer of where we actually stand.

 

[Rocinante]

This is exactly what they want us to do.
Give up and agree the constitution is useless.

Don't let them win.

I was being a bit hyperbolic.

This is the direction we are headed in though.

 

[LindyAF]

Only if you're an idiot.

For big cases both the prosecution and defense do deep dive investigations into Juror's. At which point if they find out a juror omitted a potential bias they will bring it to the judge and request the juror be removed.

At which point the Juror who omitted the things can get in big trouble.

Please give an example of a juror who was found guilty of perjury or any other form of "got in big trouble" for supporting a constitutional amendment or having read the federalist papers or something along those lines, and not mentioning having done so, you clown.

 

[Vaermina]

Please give an example of a juror who was found guilty of perjury or any other form of "got in big trouble" for supporting a constitutional amendment or having read the federalist papers or something along those lines, and not mentioning having done so, you clown.

Okay.

Potential juror charged with perjury

A prospective juror in a Ramsey County District Court criminal case has been charged with perjury after allegedly lying on a juror questionnaire. Prosecutor Kaarin Long checked criminal histories o…

www.twincities.com

 

[Captain X]

And yet nothing happened to that juror who failed to mention he was part of BLM.

 

[Rocinante]

Okay.

Potential juror charged with perjury

A prospective juror in a Ramsey County District Court criminal case has been charged with perjury after allegedly lying on a juror questionnaire. Prosecutor Kaarin Long checked criminal histories o…

www.twincities.com

This is about someone who lied about witnessing and committing crimes. Not supporting the constitution.

This is not a response to the post you quoted.

 

[LindyAF]

Okay.

Potential juror charged with perjury

A prospective juror in a Ramsey County District Court criminal case has been charged with perjury after allegedly lying on a juror questionnaire. Prosecutor Kaarin Long checked criminal histories o…

www.twincities.com

Did you read the article you linked lol

Please give an example of a juror who was found guilty of perjury or any other form of "got in big trouble" for supporting a constitutional amendment or having read the federalist papers or something along those lines

“Have you ever been involved in a lawsuit or charged in a criminal case?”

Keila Marie Sorenson, 25, of St. Paul answered “no.” She also said no to the question of whether she or anyone close to her had ever been a witness to a crime or questioned by police about a crime, and said she had never been arrested or convicted of a crime, according to a criminal complaint filed against her in Ramsey County District Court.

All of the answers were false, the complaint said.

The criminal-history check disclosed that Sorenson was charged with shoplifting from the Macy’s store at Maplewood Mall. She was accepted into a diversion program in lieu of prosecution.

She also was charged in 2010 with making a false police report; the charge was later dismissed.

 

[LindyAF]

To be clear, the guy in the Rittenhouse case I'm talking about wasn't asked if he supported the second amendment or the federalist papers, he was asked if he would be unable to set aside any biases he might have and consider only the evidence presented in court.

 

[King Arts]

Only if you're an idiot.

For big cases both the prosecution and defense do deep dive investigations into Juror's. At which point if they find out a juror omitted a potential bias they will bring it to the judge and request the juror be removed.

At which point the Juror who omitted the things can get in big trouble.

They usually don’t get in trouble. They may get removed for bias and it may be a mistrial but we give a lot of weight to jurors. If they say they can be impartial there is a presumption they are impartial. To actually punish someone for jury tampering you have to prove they set out to mess with the verdict beyond a reasonable doubt. You can still be impartial and “biased” by not liking the person. I mean many people here don’t like gays yet we wouldn’t send someone like Milo to jail for armed robbery unless we thought he did it. You can hate gays or blacks or whatever and still be fair.

 

[Robovski]

 

[Zachowon]

Holy shit.
That is hige

 

[Cherico]

Holy shit.
That is hige

Please explain.

 

[Captain X]

How interesting that there appears to have been a drone or something up in the air during that.

 

[MrBirthday]

How interesting that there appears to have been a drone or something up in the air during that.

The FBI had drones monitoring all of the rioting that summer.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

This is exactly what they want us to do.
Give up and agree the constitution is useless.

Don't let them win.

If it doesn't result in order and justice, it is merely an idol, and a crummy one at that. At least the golden calf was made out of gold.

Do we genuinely need to do a point-by-point on how the constitution has been disregarded by American law, courts, cops, and prisons? I would think you would agree with this on the grounds of the 2nd and 4th amendments alone.

 

[Rocinante]

Holy shit.
That is hige

How so? It seemed to be a shitty video that didn't show anything we didn't already know

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

To be clear, the guy in the Rittenhouse case I'm talking about wasn't asked if he supported the second amendment or the federalist papers, he was asked if he would be unable to set aside any biases he might have and consider only the evidence presented in court.

"oh yeah I back the blue and 2nd amendment all the way but I just can't be a juror for this high profile case where order and self defense are on trial, I just can't even..."

Someone get this sorry ass boomer a dickgirl 'partner', he sure can't be the man in a relationship.

 

[Zachowon]

How so? It seemed to be a shitty video that didn't show anything we didn't already know

It is evidence that he was indeed out trying to do medical instead of trying to start fights.
We didn't really have every angle of what went on, and it helps show every angle, including the person who fired first

 

[Sobek]

Wow! It's fucking nothing! How does this work at all? Some blurry ass infrared footage that lines up with all the footage we already have, nothing different.

It is evidence that he was indeed out trying to do medical instead of trying to start fights.
We didn't really have every angle of what went on, and it helps show every angle, including the person who fired first

Ah I see. Should have said that on your original post, it was a bit vague. The prosecutors were hyping this up as if it was going to show Kyle was evil, so that is why people were confused.


As for the Juror who quit and the constitution stuff: You people need to wake up and realize that COMMUNISM IS SUBVERSIVE! They will NEVER play fair, they have no standards and no morals. The only think this sort of action gets us is a loss to a commie who is willing to cross the line. This is the sort of thinking that will end up with right wingers blindfolded and led to be shot for being Kulaks and as they are put against the wall they say "so much for the tolerant left!"

It means nothing pointing out the double standards because they know and don't care. Like it was pointed out: A commie would NEVER have said anything, and would have gone into that Juror seat with the full intention of miscarrying justice and be proud of it! And because everyone is just assuming everyone is gonna behave fairly he would get away with it. Being the "bigger man" and "turning the other cheek" only goes so far. I have no doubt whatsoever that there are people in that Jury who are completely biased and got in only to try and condemn Kyle, and people will let it happen because they are too pussy to fight it and call it out. It happened with the Derek Chauvin trial, with a BLM supporter being on the bench and NOTHING HAPPENED. It will happen again. It will keep happening. Because you are so worried about the moral high-ground you will let the commies erode the floor under you and take over the justice system because you have become complacent.

Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose.