Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

LordsFire

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Their criminal science division isn't too bad and having them as a gigantic database for smalltown cops to outsource their forensics to wouldn't be a bad idea.

The rest of it has got to go though.

There is a legitimate role for something like the FBI in policing interstate crime.

It's become so corrupt at this point though, that dissolving the current organization and starting from scratch might be the best move.
 

DarthOne

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I wonder if it would be better to just increase the communication between different state police and instead of replacing the fbi with any kind of police authority replace it with a department purely devoted to record keeping and lab testing and or maybe some kind of hub for the state police to trade info and experience
This. Makes the sort of Deep State NKVD bullshit harder to pull off.
 

S'task

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There is a legitimate role for something like the FBI in policing interstate crime.

It's become so corrupt at this point though, that dissolving the current organization and starting from scratch might be the best move.
That's what the US Marshalls were original for, and would be again. They dealt with crime outside of States in US Territories as well as crimes that crossed state lines. The thing was, they were never meant as a counter-intel agency and tended to be very by the books and unwilling to go into legal gray areas, whereas the FBI from its inception was also meant to serve in a counter-intel role and had no qualms about legal gray areas.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Their criminal science division isn't too bad and having them as a gigantic database for smalltown cops to outsource their forensics to wouldn't be a bad idea.

The rest of it has got to go though.
Then bring in outsiders to manage the database, fire the agents all, and repurpose the rest of their material for more important stuff. I want to see the streets of demorat states filled with hobos that formerly worked as FBI glowies.
 

Arlos

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That's what the US Marshalls were original for, and would be again. They dealt with crime outside of States in US Territories as well as crimes that crossed state lines. The thing was, they were never meant as a counter-intel agency and tended to be very by the books and unwilling to go into legal gray areas, whereas the FBI from its inception was also meant to serve in a counter-intel role and had no qualms about legal gray areas.
An intelligence agency doubling as a law enforcement agency, nothing could have ever gone wrong.
 
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Floridaman

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They are literally jumping at shadows.

They really want another Jan 6th, because they need the pity vote. But the Conservatives aren't falling for it and instead doing things that actually hurt them, like DeSantis in Florida.
Either that or given the level of governmental fuckups they were afraid an American version of the French crisis of 1958 was going to occur when they learned it was military parachute units
 

Navarro

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That's what the US Marshalls were original for, and would be again. They dealt with crime outside of States in US Territories as well as crimes that crossed state lines. The thing was, they were never meant as a counter-intel agency and tended to be very by the books and unwilling to go into legal gray areas, whereas the FBI from its inception was also meant to serve in a counter-intel role and had no qualms about legal gray areas.

Then the best thing to do would be to separate the two roles. Set up some kind of Federal Police for interstate crimes and such and put the FBI solely up for counter-intel.
 

Sobek

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I don't think the USA has military personnel willing to cross that Rubicon at a high enough level of the hierarchy for a similar manouver. Yet.

One can dream. It will depend on how the midterms goes and how much clown shit the Dems and Establishment pull. "food shortages" are wlowly becoming a serious prediction instead of loony bin ones and even a mild one with high prices instead of outright shortages might be the spark on the kindling.
 

Floridaman

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I don't think the USA has military personnel willing to cross that Rubicon at a high enough level of the hierarchy for a similar manouver. Yet.

One can dream. It will depend on how the midterms goes and how much clown shit the Dems and Establishment pull. "food shortages" are wlowly becoming a serious prediction instead of loony bin ones and even a mild one with high prices instead of outright shortages might be the spark on the kindling.
Oh I doubt it either, and we don’t exactly have a De Gaulle, who could rebuild the country but even congress has to recognize that their approval is probably more hated at this point than any of our “foreign foes”.
 

Cherico

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I don't think the USA has military personnel willing to cross that Rubicon at a high enough level of the hierarchy for a similar manouver. Yet.

One can dream. It will depend on how the midterms goes and how much clown shit the Dems and Establishment pull. "food shortages" are wlowly becoming a serious prediction instead of loony bin ones and even a mild one with high prices instead of outright shortages might be the spark on the kindling.

The milatary by its very nature does not want to cross that rubicon, its not a conquences thing its a basic part of culture thing. The Milatary just does not want to get involved with the cluster fuck of domestic politics. This is a group of people who willfully destroyed their ability to fight unconventional wars after vietnam with the idea that they wanted to make damned sure they never fought a counter insurgency again.

Its going to take decades of purposeful fuck ups by the establishment for the milatary to decide to step in, and they cant be minor fuck ups either.


You dont get a Ceasar until you have had a sulla fuck things up first.
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
Biden could be Sulla. Trump has come across as the Gaius Graccias, who tried to reform the republic to save it and for hia efforts the Senate chopped him and threw the remains into the Tiber.

The US Military has set itself from its very inception to never follow tbe footsteps of the ancestor of the Eagle the symbolizes the nation. They have always avoided it because the men who built it knew that the moment the military becomes Kingmakes you have a Praetorian Guard.

Sadly, I am starting to think a Praetorian Guard might be better at this point. Because given the calibre of men now in charge I do not trust them to take the high road of refusing to interfere and can instead see them all too willing to back the Powers That Be, completly forgoing the "domestic" part of their oath. They are not smart or moral enough to realize that inaction can be as much of a Kingmaker as a military coup.

Push comes to shove, I see a military of ribbons and medals with more generals than lieutenants and privates as the lower ranks simply shrug.
 

Bacle

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Once again, we aren't Rome, and trying to liken things to Rome is operating in rather mistaken assumptions and playing a game the Left already know how to counter.

Half the time I think you people want to be Caesar's Legion LARPer's with how much people on the Right keep looking to Rome for political and historical que's.
 

Cherico

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Once again, we aren't Rome, and trying to liken things to Rome is operating in rather mistaken assumptions and playing a game the Left already know how to counter.

Half the time I think you people want to be Caesar's Legion LARPer's with how much people on the Right keep looking to Rome for political and historical que's.
America was built from it's foundation to have elements of the Roman republic. And Rome has acted as an inspiration since our inception as a country.

The influence of Rome is felt in every western country on earth
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
Once again, we aren't Rome, and trying to liken things to Rome is operating in rather mistaken assumptions and playing a game the Left already know how to counter.

Half the time I think you people want to be Caesar's Legion LARPer's with how much people on the Right keep looking to Rome for political and historical que's.

The military issue isn't just "Rome LARP" it's a cornerstone of western civilization. This is a thing that most European countries only really learned and tried to follow the US example of avoiding it after WW2 and even then most of them have failed.
 

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