Is Le Pen the best choice for France?

[Lord Sovereign]

Napoleon was Frances greatest leader.

He had to be. Only the second coming of Charlemagne could salvage anything of value from the horror of the Revolution.

So says an Englishman.

Few know it better than we do. The death of King Charles, a flawed but good man who met his death with the dignity of an English King, did not make our kingdom any better.

 

[King Arts]

He had to be. Only the second coming of Charlemagne could salvage anything of value from the horror of the Revolution.



Few know it better than we do. The death of King Charles, a flawed but good man who met his death with the dignity of an English King, did not make our kingdom any better.

I was actually referring to the fact that the English fought against Napoleon. Napoleon was a far greater monarch than Louis so Louis being replaced was good the terror wasn’t good but with the coming of Napoleon I think he did way more good than the bad the terror gave.

 

[Yinko]

Zemmour is an obvious op, and you need look no further than this:

From the article
"Or, he could split the far-right vote enough to allow a more moderate candidate to qualify for the run-off, upsetting Macron’s chances of returning to the Elysee."

I'd easily believe that that banker was pulling an op, specifically to do what the article hints at, split the conservative vote and block both Zemmour and Le Pen from power. However, Zemmour himself has been running around with largely consistent talking points for around forty years now.

 

[Buba]

Zemmour is an obvious op, and you need look no further than this:

My English fails me here - vot is "op" and vay iz Zemmour "stronk op"?

 

[Yinko]

My English fails me here - vot is "op" and vay iz Zemmour "stronk op"?

Operation, a slang use of the word. He's saying that he's acting dishonestly so as to break up the conservative voting base in favor of a more liberal candidate.

 

[Zachowon]

Don't listen to History Learner, as someone has already pointed out the article he quoted looks says it could just be nothing, and is obviously a peice taking aim at trying to stir shit up

 

[ShieldWife]

Why have both Zemmour and Le Pen run at the same time? What is the benefit of that to conservatives of France who support their policies. In terms of the agenda they support, how are Le Pen and Zemmour different?

 

[Zachowon]

Why have both Zemmour and Le Pen run at the same time? What is the benefit of that to conservatives of France who support their policies. In terms of the agenda they support, how are Le Pen and Zemmour different?

Idk but who ever has more runs against Macron.

 

[Yinko]

Why have both Zemmour and Le Pen run at the same time? What is the benefit of that to conservatives of France who support their policies. In terms of the agenda they support, how are Le Pen and Zemmour different?

The top comment seems to answer this question. Plus, Zemmour isn't part of a party, so it's not like the Republicans trying to enter two candidates.

 

[ShieldWife]

Well the fact that he’s getting help from Jonathan Nadler and that his polices are so similar to Le Pen’e suggest to me that his candidacy exists to split the nationalist vote.

 

[Yinko]

Well the fact that he’s getting help from Jonathan Nadler and that his polices are so similar to Le Pen’e suggest to me that his candidacy exists to split the nationalist vote.

No one seems to know what Nadler's political leanings are, so that by itself isn't damning, rather that Nadler's move didn't get him removed from his position is. On the other hand, if that's what they were planning, then Bloomburg should have never published that Nadler was helping him, since Bloomburg is left wing too.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

The top comment seems to answer this question. Plus, Zemmour isn't part of a party, so it's not like the Republicans trying to enter two candidates.

The poster also makes a very good point as to how a bad reputation will kneecap you for decades straight. Perception is vital in politics, even in more sensible times.

 

[ShieldWife]

If bad perception sinks a candidate, then Western civilization has no hope. Any nationalist candidate who isn’t glowing is going to be called a Nazi by 90% of the media.

 

[Buba]

Operation, a slang use of the word. He's saying that he's acting dishonestly so as to break up the conservative voting base in favor of a more liberal candidate.

Thanks.
Poland gets such an "operation" in almost every elections, some sort of "new party" breaking up the right or left side, this going back to the mid '90s

Indeed, taking an uncharitable view, Zemmour could either be an op or a journo on an ego trip.

If bad perception sinks a candidate, then Western civilization has no hope

Yup.
Miterrand, who had been a minister in the Evul! and Fascist! Vichy Government, still got elected.
Being from Old aristocracy political family background and a Born Again socialist were enough to give him endorsement from the establishment and the media to set up an Iron Curtain around his past (and mistresses).

 

[Lord Sovereign]

If bad perception sinks a candidate, then Western civilization has no hope.

So we've been doomed for over three thousand years, have we (not counting in excess of ten thousand years of human civilisation)? Optics have been important since Agamemnon. There is no getting around it.

 

[ShieldWife]

So we've been doomed for over three thousand years, have we (not counting in excess of ten thousand years of human civilisation)? Optics have been important since Agamemnon. There is no getting around it.

Many empires and civilizations have been doomed over the millennia and the American empire and Western civilization will soon number among them.

Optics are obviously important, so much so that the people who control popular perception may be unbeatable. But in any case, conservatives need to keep in mind that to stand any chance we have to care more about what we believe in than what our enemies say about us.

That was the strength of Trump, unlike so many Republicans before him, he actually worked for his base rather than bending over backwards appealing to leftist lies. We need to continue that trend, not reverse it.

 

[Abhorsen]

The problem is that it seems both Le Pen and Zemmour are economically dumb. I get free trade is mixed up with the EU in Europe, which sucks, but free trade is a good thing, especially when you aren't able to do everything yourself. Protectionism begets complacency begets being a loser internationally. There's a reason the US doesn't produce cargo ships anymore and no one buys our sugar.

Le Pen also is very in favor of public spending and against privatization.

So even if they do win, they aren't going to do anything about the socialization of France.

 

[King Arts]

The problem is that it seems both Le Pen and Zemmour are economically dumb. I get free trade is mixed up with the EU in Europe, which sucks, but free trade is a good thing, especially when you aren't able to do everything yourself. Protectionism begets complacency begets being a loser internationally. There's a reason the US doesn't produce cargo ships anymore and no one buys our sugar.

Le Pen also is very in favor of public spending and against privatization.

So even if they do win, they aren't going to do anything about the socialization of France.

Yes, they are economically dumb. When socialist principles have been shown to work well. While libertarian hyper capitalism is what is failing, and is what is giving power to the leftists who want to push CRT and trannies all over the place. France's economy isn't the best but it's fine, it's issues are social from bringing in too many migrants who won't assimilate.

 

[Cherico]

Yes, they are economically dumb. When socialist principles have been shown to work well. While libertarian hyper capitalism is what is failing, and is what is giving power to the leftists who want to push CRT and trannies all over the place. France's economy isn't the best but it's fine, it's issues are social from bringing in too many migrants who won't assimilate.

Frances economy could use some deregulation in some sectors a lessoning of the red tap, but thats true of basically all western countries at this point.

 

[King Arts]

Frances economy could use some deregulation in some sectors a lessoning of the red tap, but thats true of basically all western countries at this point.

There is a difference between saying a slight degregulation to make the economy leaner and meaner and more efficient, and saying throw away everything and go full free market a complete reformation/revolution.