Is Le Pen the best choice for France?

[JagerIV]

Basically as it says on the tin, is Le Pen the best option France has? As far as I can tell, she's the closest thing you have to a nationalist right winger in France who might not be a horrible internationalist socialist. However, she herself does not seem to be particularly anti socialist, and I've seen more credible claims of Nazi/fascism of her party than I've seen of other right wing parties.

So, while another right wing government would be good, Le Pen seems like she might legitimately be a terrible right winger. However, despite many of her terrible seeming policies and history, she also seems to be the closest thing France can currently produce to a good candidate.

So, is Le Pen as bad as she seems? Are there other good options? Or is France really just so screwed up that the best candidate they can get for themselves is a potential fascist?

 

[gral]

Basically as it says on the tin, is Le Pen the best option France has? As far as I can tell, she's the closest thing you have to a nationalist right winger in France who might not be a horrible internationalist socialist. However, she herself does not seem to be particularly anti socialist, and I've seen more credible claims of Nazi/fascism of her party than I've seen of other right wing parties.

My impression of Marine LePen is that she, in order to succeed where her father didn't, 'moderated' considerably. For good or ill, her party is not the same as her father's.

 

[ATP]

Best thing would be return of the king,but it is zero chance for that.
Le Pen is less leftist politic who could win,that is all.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Le Pen, as borked as her economics are, is still very much a French nationalist who doesn't want anymore integration into the EU, along with huge curbs on immigration and the proliferation of Islam in France. Thusly she is irrevocably more appealing to French nationalists and patriots than Macron, and I think in the long term an administration run by her would patch up some serious wounds to the French Republic.

Or, in time, much as it was for the Dutch, someone better shows up. Let's face it, Thierry Baudet is a far more potent political force than Geert Wilders.

 

[ShieldWife]

Le Pen certainly has flaws, but if immigration into France isn’t dramatically reduced then there will functionally be no France at all, and none of the other policies matter. Le Pen is better in that regard than any realistic alternatives and so she is the best candidate for France.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

but if immigration into France isn’t dramatically reduced then there will functionally be no France at all

Nah, eventually you'd end up with a diminished and smaller France cursing the names of its foolish ancestors after "The breakup of Yugoslavia 2: Electric Boogaloo" but it would survive. Granted I'm not entirely sure we'll get to that point, but it's something to keep in mind.

 

[Culsu]

Le Pen looks like the least worst choice, depending on your political priorities.

 

[Zachowon]

Hey, if she helps lead France to being better. I say she is! Who knows there may be a new up and coming Napoleon under her eventually!

*joke about the last part of course*

 

[Scottty]

I'm told that some of the French see the EU not in terms of French being integrated into the rest of Europe, but in terms of the rest of Europe becoming an extension of France.

 

[Zachowon]

I'm told that some of the French see the EU not in terms of French being integrated into the rest of Europe, but in terms of the rest of Europe becoming an extension of France.

I mean...they arnt wrong. France is the strongest western europe nation. They have tried so many times in the past why not keep trying!

 

[gral]

I'm told that some of the French see the EU not in terms of French being integrated into the rest of Europe, but in terms of the rest of Europe becoming an extension of France.

This is how the ruling class of France sees the EU, yes.

 

[ATP]

Le Pen certainly has flaws, but if immigration into France isn’t dramatically reduced then there will functionally be no France at all, and none of the other policies matter. Le Pen is better in that regard than any realistic alternatives and so she is the best candidate for France.

Yes.King of Emperor would be better,but ,just like i said earlier,we have only Le Pen available now.

 

[Yinko]

Eric Zemmour might be better than Le Pen. Hard to say, but his campeign ad is pretty killer. He's also got 14% of the vote at the moment, compared to Le Pen's 19%. On the other hand, he's an indepentant political outsider who spent his entire adult life as a journalist critisizing the political system. So he'd probably have an even harder time getting things done than a mere ideological heathen like Le Pen.

Spoiler: Ad

Amusingly, when he announced his run for election, it came out that he (68) had just knocked up his cheif aid (28). When asked about this he replied "french voters do not care about this sort of thing". Some papers are claiming that this is a ploy to demonstrate his virility, which seems awfully plausible since when I hear that a man that old has pulled and impregnated a young twenty-something the only thing I can think is "hats off to him".

I think, no matter who wins this election, France is on a better track. Macron has been sliding further and further right ever since Nice. He's officially changed the French flag to it's pre-EU colors and his ministers have made bold statements about blocking all new immigration while evicting as many problematic cases as possible. So the current playing field is Macron (our center right), Le Pen (our died in the wool right), Zemmour (our far right). The amusing thing is, those are the only real options at this point, there is no one to the Left of Macron, and the next runner up is insignificant in terms of votes.

 

[Zachowon]

Eric Zemmour might be better than Le Pen. Hard to say, but his campeign ad is pretty killer. He's also got 14% of the vote at the moment, compared to Le Pen's 19%. On the other hand, he's an indepentant political outsider who spent his entire adult life as a journalist critisizing the political system. So he'd probably have an even harder time getting things done than a mere ideological heathen like Le Pen.

Spoiler: Ad

Amusingly, when he announced his run for election, it came out that he (68) had just knocked up his cheif aid (28). When asked about this he replied "french voters do not care about this sort of thing". Some papers are claiming that this is a ploy to demonstrate his virility, which seems awfully plausible since when I hear that a man that old has pulled and impregnated a young twenty-something the only thing I can think is "hats off to him".

I think, no matter who wins this election, France is on a better track. Macron has been sliding further and further right ever since Nice. He's officially changed the French flag to it's pre-EU colors and his ministers have made bold statements about blocking all new immigration while evicting as many problematic cases as possible. So the current playing field is Macron (our center right), Le Pen (our died in the wool right), Zemmour (our far right). The amusing thing is, those are the only real options at this point, there is no one to the Left of Macron, and the next runner up is insignificant in terms of votes.

I watched a video about it.
Basically Holland ruined the left for France, and Macron is more center right
Le Pen or Zemmour are the only two more likely to get things done then I am becoming far right Macron

 

[Free-Stater 101]

SNIP

The best thing for France is anything the French people deem acceptable. I don't presume to know what France wants or needs for their future, nor will I lower myself by trying to ram my own ideology down their throats when they have an entirely different perception on what defines 'order' and 'liberty' to match their needs, even when they insist to do the contrary to me and refuse to mind their business.

 

[Zachowon]

The best thing for France is anything the French people deem acceptable. I don't presume to know what France wants or needs for their future, nor will I lower myself by trying to ram my own ideology down their throats when they have a different perception on what defines 'order' and 'liberty' to match their needs, even when they insist to do the contrary to me and refuse to mind their business.

It's France.
They get in everyone's business like us, but then are more stubborn when asked to stop.
@Arlos what do you think about the new guy running with the score under Le Pen and Macron?

 

[Cherico]

Hey, if she helps lead France to being better. I say she is! Who knows there may be a new up and coming Napoleon under her eventually!

*joke about the last part of course*

Napoleon was legit one of the best leaders france ever had, the man for all of his faults help end the terror turned a country that had been made into a basket case after years of mismanagement and then utterlly psychotic leadership into a great power that almost conquered europe.

His legal code is still used through out europe to this day, so the man legit deserves respect.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I'm told that some of the French see the EU not in terms of French being integrated into the rest of Europe, but in terms of the rest of Europe becoming an extension of France.

Given how weak England and Germany have become, a resurgent France expanding the historical Francophonie and showing nations that were historically English-aligned and German-aligned that they are far better off in the French sphere of influence is quite a good thing.

Here in the United States, we really need to give up the idea of a "special relationship" with the UK and accept the reality that France is probably the only nation in Europe that's still worth anything whatsoever as a military and diplomatic ally.

 

[King Arts]

Given how weak England and Germany have become, a resurgent France expanding the historical Francophonie and showing nations that were historically English-aligned and German-aligned that they are far better off in the French sphere of influence is quite a good thing.

Here in the United States, we really need to give up the idea of a "special relationship" with the UK and accept the reality that France is probably the only nation in Europe that's still worth anything whatsoever as a military and diplomatic ally.

Wow I actually agree France seems much more conservative than the UK I mean the Americans who are Anglophile from the very beginning in the 1900s were progressive those elites should have been kicked out.

 

[Sobek]

Zemmour seems incredbly based. His ad hits thr nail on the head on many problems and is not ashamed to call out the lack of options.

I think he would be the best choice as he has no Action Française baggage to carry. How does it work exactly in France? Would a coalition be possible or a thing?