Terthna
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Wow, okay then; good to know where you stand. Which is preferably far the hell away from me, you utter psychopath.
In defense of pedophiles
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"Minor Attracted Person who doesn't indulge"
Twitter has gotten into trouble recently for not only allowing them to congregate there but organize a political movement and you can have your account deleted for challenging them.
The problem is...as the Pedoacceptance movement shows, there's really no way you can give these people an inch of sympathy. You let up even for a second and they will swarm your legal system and cultural discourse.
The only recourse is to react as harshly and severely as human possible within the confines of reason. IE don't just "listen and believe" but the moment its proven? I'm of the mind that it should be corrected with as little compassion and consideration for human rights as possible.
Granted chemical castration or some form of lobotomizing the part of the brain that deals with sexual drives is acceptable, its pretty damn expensive though. IIRC a few states used to do this back in the 90's but they stopped because the cost of the drugs I think was exorbitant.
Granted, med tech has come a long way, so that may no longer be the case?
Cry S'more
the only justice someone who fantasizes about fucking kids should get is caveman justice. Rock, head, splat.
edit- Just FYI I was sexually molested when I was 14 by a 37 year old woman. I'm hardly a psychopath..because the perpetrator was female, absolutely nothing happened and grooming is almost normalized in the LGBT community.
This is a fucking social epidemic and needs to be scoured from our culture because it destroys lives, the only lives that matter. Namely the innocent.
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CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I’m not pro-Pedophile, I’m pro-Cure Them of Their Shit
Now that I think about it, hell I’m not Pro-Trans myself but I’m not Anti-Trans, I just dislike the possible horrible side effects and horrible regrets to come for the MTFs or FTMs
Realise these people are SICK and not some special minority SICK and in need of actual help
And I don't think this is an unreasonable position to hold. I do know that research into this area is rather touchy a subject and expensive and prior non "throw them in prison or cut their junk off" methods of treatment were abandoned due to cost and being too invasive.
If it really is a money thing, there are better ways to spend that.
An associate of mine described it as the world's most violent placebo. And I think that sums up that particular issue, with every other neurological issue we treat the illness by lifestyle alterations, symptom management and if possible curing it.
For transgender people we... drug them with a cocktail that destroys bone mass, sterilizes them and research is finding causes renal and heart disease and severe depression (and drops the IQ to dangerous degrees among teenagers and young adults) then we mutilate their genitalia? And chests?
This is a human rights atrocity, to say nothing of the sheer volume of trans people who are pedophiles, autogynephiliacs and serial abusers.
Or the number of autistic children and teenagers who are essentially groomed and brainwashed. There's something really disturbing and unsettling in the Transcommunity and how its treated. And its really the only neurological issue that is treated by exacerbating it by inflicting trauma.
I firmly believe, a century from now groups like the MERMAIDS will be viewed in the same light as the SS and we have no excuse as the laws that prohibit the mutilation of people, especially children or the chemical modification and castration thereof for political and ideological reasons and that recognize these actions as atrocities have been in existence in one form or an other since the 1890s and were codified into international treaties after both world wars.
We're going to be seen as monsters by history for this shit.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
That would be murder, and anyone who did that would be locked up as they deserve. You don't get to take the law into your own hands like that; because once it starts, it never stops. If you got your way, one day, someone would decide that you deserve to die too.
Yeah my entire premise is that the law should be amended to make their existence a capital offense. So no, I'm not talking about vigilantism.
But while we are on the topic of law, leftists have so thoroughly neutered and or prejudiced the criminal justice system that a pedophile merely has to claim to be LGBT and they'll get away with it.
Or be female.
That's how it went for the woman who molested me 19 years ago. So I dunno? If say, some soccer moms in the suburbs find out Thomas down the street is a MAP acceptance activist and decide to burn his house down with him in it..Because Tommy happens to fit into one of the protected classes you people just love to fabricate to derail justice? I dunno...I would be concerned about needless death due to mass hysteria...But I personally would consider them good parents for BBQing a person who was a ticking time bomb.
And was going to, 100% going to rape a kid in the future.
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CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
You know as horrible or cynical as it sounds, I hope other groups or individuals are remembered very horribly for this
That includes Hollywood Celebrities and Creators of fiction who aligned with the Western Far Left and are in part responsible for things like the end of multiple industries crashing like comicbooks and a time of mass censorship
A time when people were persecuted for their hobbies, a time when said hobbies were taken over, giving a sort of trauma for future fandoms and hobbyists
Alongside an explanation as to how/why Europe’s now covered in Sharia Law Theocracies
These people will be not just douchebags who were “Just Following Orders” they will be douchebags obsessed with “public opinion” or pandering to a group of crazies whom in the end the majority of people don’t really like
Terthna
Professional Lurker
That's not how you made it sound, but okay then; if that's what you want to try to accomplish with your vote, I can't stop you. All I can do is argue for what I believe is right, cast my vote, and hope the result turns out in my favor. As for female child molesters, they've always been able to get away with it, even during the height of conservative power. In fact, if anything, they used to get away with a lot more; at least we somewhat acknowledge that they exist now, which is an improvement over how things used to work, so the left are not at fault for that.
I'm sorry that happened to you, and I don't want to come across as unsympathetic; my cousin went through something similar with her teacher, so I have at least a vague notion of what you went through. However, you're letting your justified anger at the person who hurt you spread out to people who haven't actually done anything wrong.
Conservatives aren't right wing, they're a bunch of impotent fence sitting cowards too weak to conserve anything who obsess over optics and are all too happy to compromise and violate their own mission statement to maintain some semblance of power for their own benefit. They've categorically failed and the sooner America embraces a Right wing that's based on cultural identity, self autonomy and the removal of leftist politics from American discourse..the better it'll be for America.
So you're preaching to the choir there, but you'd be wrong. The GOP hasn't held a cultural monopoly, especially in American cities in over five decades...Hell their current savior is a god damn 90's democrat who hasn't changed any of his policies or beliefs.
So this shit is as old as counter culture and you really don't wanna claim that when sex with children was a mainstay in Paris, San Fran, New York, London and all the other hubs of cultural change..and it was such an integral part of the counter culture Jim Jones affiliated lunatics like Harvey Milk became icons...of municipal progress.
Pedophilia is enabled by the left, its ingrained into its culture and its normalized to where someone like the harpie who published Mists of Avalon could do what she did to her daughter and the entire sci fi community lied and shielded her..and then engaged in a smear campaign against her kid..even decades after Bradley's death.
So naw, nice try..but this sewage lies at your feet.
the person who did that to me isn't the problem, the problem is social justice. Because the only reason shit like this happens at all is because society has neutered itself to the point that a victim narrative for a perpetrator takes precedence over the suffering of the one violated.
I'm not angry at the woman, I am absolutely furious at the class of smug, sanctimonious, self important activist scum who have convinced the world criminal justice needs to consider things it shouldn't, like race, social class, orientation and gender. That has said because certain people as a whole may have suffered or are of a certain gender or orientation that "mitigating circumstances exist and we need to consider them".
Don't patronize me dude, I'm not a grieving victim acting hysterically. I'm someone who has done enough living, in different parts of the world and enough soul searching to realize what happened to me is collateral damage generated by a certain..ideology is behind this.
And that ideology is a disease, that destroys nations, peoples, cultures and families.
And pedophiles still need to be executed.
Ever read Starship troopers?
Dubois conversation with the class about why secular democracies failed...is utterly chilling when measured up with what's happening right now.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
You're not someone who can be reasoned with; I'm not going to waste my time trying. Suffice to say, I hope broken people like you, filled with nothing but hate, never manage to gain power in this country. Because if you did, every principle this country was built on would be destroyed in short order, and millions would end up dead.
And herein lies the problem with pearl clutching hypotheticals from people who believe themselves removed from the damage their so called moral stances cause, or believe the damage is somehow beneficial. Utterly lacking in nuance, you can react to the other side, only on an emotional level.
And then imply they're a fascist and run away.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I read Starship Troopers, I also remember that the guy who made the movies, Verhoven did NOT read it and decided it was all fascist after having someone do a short summary of it
The society described by Dubois before the vigilantes of the Federation's beginnings took over was something like giving pretty much zero punishment to children who later grew up into being assholes
Though for real-life, less just children and more man-children and other crazy adults who get away again and again because they're just given pats on the back
But specifically the activist class of people behind that, which caused societies decay and ultimate collapse. The "well meaning idiots" as I think he called them.
Though one could argue the man bun wearing, soft spoken, bland looking weirdos we deal with today are the adult variant of the constantly enabled children he spoke of.
Like I said freakishly prophetic.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
I get what you're trying to do, but I'm not angry at you; if anything, I pity you, because you're what the regressive left has created as a result of their actions. An equal, but opposite reaction to their extreme ideology. I truly hope you manage to find peace someday, before you do something you'll end up regretting.And herein lies the problem with pearl clutching hypotheticals from people who believe themselves removed from the damage their so called moral stances cause, or believe the damage is somehow beneficial. Utterly lacking in nuance, you can react to the other side, only on an emotional level.
And then imply they're a fascist and run away.
@The Immortal Watch Dog Going to say that by your own standards you should be put down, given you have fantasies about brutally killing people. And I don't mean this as an insult, I am merely making an observation as someone who rather would have stayed out of it, and is now compelled to remark.
Though, I am not going to cast stones about such things. We all have such dark thoughts, and demons. Some times my anger at injustice can get the better of me, and drive me to similar modes of thinking as you.
Though, I am not going to cast stones about such things. We all have such dark thoughts, and demons. Some times my anger at injustice can get the better of me, and drive me to similar modes of thinking as you.
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CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
TBH, it’s very understandable to want to do that stuff, especially when it looks and feels like both logic and justice have failed time and time again
Still, I think it’s best to keep from doing the most permanent thing, death, unto others even the opposition
Plus you’ll look like a douchebag while doing so, showing restraint and kindness mixed with pragmatism can win over both those being punished and smarter and nicer within one’s opposition.
Pedophiles need help.
Yes. It is understandable. I am pretty sure I agree with him on many issues, at least to some degree or another. I will cop to wanting to utterly annihilate ISIS at certain points, especially after their destruction of world heritage sites, given my belief it was a massive crime against humanity and theft from future generations. Currently, I have a nuanced view, which involves a mix of leniency for some, breaking rocks in gulag for others (with eventual release), simple prison for some too, being locked away for their rest of their life for others, and bullets and body bags for the rest.
And I agree. Mixing the two often works well. And it avoids having the same methods turned upon you, this is I am pretty sure the motivation thought behind why I responded to him. Violence begets violence, and when you create the precedent, it will often get turned against you. Just look at Trump, he is the left's tactics turned against them...well in part.
Not especially? Given nothing in my original stance suggested I believe people should be killed for any thoughtcrime other than that fantasizing about wanting to pork kids.
I do not think wanting to murder people necessarily a bad thing and never made that argument. So I am uncertain as to why you would make that argument with me? Unless you're going off a script intended to strawman?
There are some people who absolutely deserve to be butchered like cattle and fantasizing about say throwing antifa members out of cargo planes the way we used to do it in Argentina in the 70s is hardly a bad thought.
They totally deserve that. I'd argue thinking that is civic minded and diligent. For example.
So no, I dont think people should be killed for thinking such thoughts. Only in the case of pedophiles.
....dude you made a thread advocating for pedophiles.
You are the regressive left.
Actually, I am saying the same standards that you apply to their case, could be applied to your case. That the same standard could be used against you without much of a stretch. You know what, maybe the logic only makes sense to me, because it is something that stems from an internal train of logic in my mind- or more than one. I'll get back to you when I am less tired. Or maybe someone will ease me of the burden of explaining my own argument, if I am lucky. Because, it seems that other people might have apprehended my meaning.
Maybe. But I'd rather not fantasize about it, or take pleasure from the idea. If some people deserve a bullet, then so be it. I'd rather not bay for blood, but be calm and rational about it. And plus, I'd rather give them a proper trial, to ensure order is preserved and that injustice is not being committed. Let me, explain something about my personal views, that I am the type of person to support corporal punishment in certain cases, for the reason of seeing it as being less brutal than imprisonment, and more effective to boot.
Anyways, I stayed up far too long, and might be miscommunicating, as I said prior I'll try to get back to you after I have rested some. And I want to clear everything up, so I can properly say my piece, give opportunity for response and then disengage when decorum permits.
No, he isn't at all. And I don't think what he is arguing is at all advocacy. Though, I can understand, I think, why you see it that way. Calling him regressive left is actually quite laughable really.
What happens when someone accuses you of doing that? How do you prove that someone does or does not fantasize about something?
Yeah, this is a bad idea to base any law off of.
Secondly, there is the problem that a law that is disproportionally punishing is in fact counterproductive in its own goals, as it corners even people guilty of slight offenses into a position where they have nothing to lose, so they may aswell go all the way, as illustrated in this example from Ancient China, in short form:
-What's the penalty for being late?
-Death.
-What's the penalty for rebellion?
-Death.
-Well -- we're late.
In practice, to keep pedophiles from victimizing anyone is technically easier than with some other kinds of mental illnesses. They aren't out to victimize just about anyone, like it is the case with come crazy murderers or absolute nutjobs, only children. Hence, the main goal here should be to physically isolate them from access to any children. Various ways to do that, prison being the most obvious, but full reliance on that option has some downsides - most notably, being reliant on legal procedure getting them there, and quite motivating for all of them to avoid outing themselves in the first place, and if they can't avoid that, well, they may think that they could aswell go all the way - abuse a child and\or eliminate witnesses.
As such, i think the most reasonable position would be to create more of a proportional system, with the primary objective of encouraging pedophiles, especially the not (yet) child rapists, to out themselves to the authorities. Nothing makes it impossible, it's just a matter of politically and legally setting up the right compromise. The basis of it would be to limit their freedoms in some way, making them live in some sort of house arrest, mandatory, somewhat controlled housing location, or limiting and assisting them with getting into jobs in which by their very nature they would restrict them from access to children - after all, no children on an oil rig, cargo freighter, or a lumber yard in deep Siberian tundra.
What does the society get out of this? Less pedophiles playing cat and mouse with the legal and mental health systems, less expenses feeding and protecting them in prison, or alternatively catching and legally sentencing people who know that they will be killed if caught, in fact pedophiles can still work and pay taxes.
What do the pedophiles get out of this? Safety from execution or imprisonment for something they can't change or fully control, and yet still far more freedom and comfort than they would get in prison.
Wouldn't that be a fair deal for everyone?