Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Agreed.Vong were separate from the Force as mentioned earlier in the thread. Could make it consistent that they're separated from the Warp/Immaterial as well.
Agreed.Vong were separate from the Force as mentioned earlier in the thread. Could make it consistent that they're separated from the Warp/Immaterial as well.
The Vong would be basically Blanks so they can mess up Pyskers but TBH I don't see them doing jack to an artillery division or Titan.
Yeah, I remember how in Thrawn Trilogy, titular character brought the New Republic nearly to its knees with... what, half a dozen Star Destroyers?New Republic incompetence in the EU is pretty much a factor that serves as a very thin in-character excuse for the out-of-character drive to make all the crises solved via act-of-plot gambits by a handful of familiar heroic protagonist characters.
But this leaves it with EU making it explicit that by the time of the Vong invasion, the New Republic had settled on a policy of not having *any* warships above an Imperial Star Destroyer equivalent remaining in active service -- and not just for a practical reason like 'minimizing maintenance costs in time of peace', but because the NR's political leadership outright declared that it was somehow *innately unethical* to have more powerful warships. And even ISD-equivalents were relatively rare, with the entire NRDF fleet being on the scale of mid-hundreds of ships on that level for the entire galaxy, whereas the Empire had *tens of thousands*.
In other words, the Vong were only a threat because the New Republic demilitarized to a delusional extreme. That joint task force you're talking about was the heaviest military force that the NR ever fielded (with the help of a peer ally) and it was barely on par with what would have once been considered a sector's assigned defense garrison.
Yeah, I remember how in Thrawn Trilogy, titular character brought the New Republic nearly to its knees with... what, half a dozen Star Destroyers?
I believe that was his main battlegroup, but Thrawn did have access to further resources. As a Grand Admiral, he was the effective leader of the Imperial Remnant for some time.Yeah, I remember how in Thrawn Trilogy, titular character brought the New Republic nearly to its knees with... what, half a dozen Star Destroyers?
Lusankya at Borealis and the Guardian existing into Fate of the Jedi would like a word about "All NR Executors were scrapped."As I've argued in other threads here, Black Fleet Crisis is interesting because it's the *one* significant piece of the EU that tried to feature actual fleet scale operations as opposed to "band of Rebel heroes". Unfortunately, it ends up being a lone outlier and later EU material explicitly places the "nothing stronger than an ISD" rule (specifically as a reason the NRDF scrapped all of the Executor-class ships they had captured in previous EU content and no longer had any "Super Star Destroyers" or equivalent).
Unfortunately, even Black Fleet Crisis sets NRDF fleet numbers very, very low.
They also infiltrated the new republic and used existing internal divisions to fuck those buffoons over.It could get tricky the first few times the Imperium encountered the Vong, but the bottom line is that *even in Star Wars terms*, the Vong were really only a threat due to the New Republic's own incompetence. Outside of that, they really only had a couple of nasty tactical tricks, none of which would be as effective against 40K tech as they were against New Republic tech.
The kind of "high volume of fire overwhelming attack" that no-sells dovin basal defenses literally happens every time an Imperium warship fires its armament.
They also infiltrated the new republic and used existing internal divisions to fuck those buffoons over.
I kinda doubt they will have anywhere near the success with the Imperium, given it's policy of better a world get glasses than a single beretic feel even moderately happy with his achievements.
Lusankya at Borealis and the Guardian existing into Fate of the Jedi would like a word about "All NR Executors were scrapped."
She wasn't set to be scrapped, but in mothballs in reserve, and acted as a medical research lab for a while due to the specialized compartments Isard had installed while it was a prison.Remember, they made a big plot point about Lusankya being pulled out of demilitarization scrap so she *wasn't* a fully functional SSD, hence the entire bizarre ramming spike plotline.