Imperium of Man vs Yuuzhan Vong

[Aldarion]

Per-ton firepower is equalized.

Yuuzhan Vong are an alien menace from Star Wars EU, which invaded the galaxy for... reasons. In this scenario, they screw up somewhere and end up transported to Warhammer 40k Milky Way galaxy, somewhere in Segmentum Ultima.

How does it go?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The Vong are screwed.

 

[Husky_Khan]

They won't conquer the galaxy or anything but they could carve out a niche somewhere.

 

[Bacle]

This depends on if any of the Ruinous Powers take an interest in them.

Khorne and Nurgle would both probably be intrigued by the Vong.

 

[Skallagrim]

The Vong are finally in a setting where they actually appear to belong. Great fun was had by all.

Fire-power being roughly equalised (which makes reasonable sense), the Vong would seem to have the decisive advantage over the Imperium. The Vong are demonstrably capable of taking on the bulk of a whole galaxy, in a scenario where their enemy has safe and reliable access to incredibly powerful FTL (as in: can cross the entire galaxy in under two weeks, and fast ships can do it in days). In this scenario, they face off against a power that only controls a segment of the galaxy, and access to FTL is inherently dangerous.

The Imperium is far more militarised, of course, being pretty much at war with everyone since always, but they're still a "regional" power (when considered on a galactic scale). If it's purely Imperium-versus-Vong, I think the Imperium is pretty screwed. Although it's going to be an enormously horrible war, and after the Vong win, they'll be so exhausted and ravaged that the other 40K powers just gradually cut them to pieces anyway.

If the Vong just invade and start waging war against everybody for religious reasons, they're completely screwed, because everybody in 40K is all about the constant war, so if you pivk a fight with all of them, you'll get slaughtered. (And then they go all back to killing each other.)

Interestingly, I think Chaos is not that big of a danger to the Vong, since I think it's a safe bet to assume that by the same rules that cut them off from the Force, they'd also be cut off from the Immaterium. The big threat to the Vong, I think, would be the Tyranids. To them, the Vong with their bio-tech would be a giant feast. They'd consume all they could, and absord any useful genetics and bio-tech while they're at it. (Which would, horrifyingly, make the Tyranids more dangerous and terrifying.)

...An exception to this would be if Onimi in particular gets corrupted by Chaos. He'd admittedly be a prime candidate for it. Chaos wouldn't be able to ensnare the Vong, but they'd be able to ensnare Onimi, and thus still exert control over the Vong...

 

[Bacle]

The Vong might actually find allies in the Orks, because sure the Orks use tech, but they don't use AIs or the like, and they can replace warriors faster than the Vong themselves, but lack the higher level hyperdrive and weaponry of the Vong.

If the Tyranids ever assimilate a Vong hyperdrive capable Dovin Basals, they will becoming almost unbeatable.

What would a Vong 'Cole Protocol' look like?

 

[Agent23]

The Vong are finally in a setting where they actually appear to belong. Great fun was had by all.

Fire-power being roughly equalised (which makes reasonable sense), the Vong would seem to have the decisive advantage over the Imperium. The Vong are demonstrably capable of taking on the bulk of a whole galaxy, in a scenario where their enemy has safe and reliable access to incredibly powerful FTL (as in: can cross the entire galaxy in under two weeks, and fast ships can do it in days). In this scenario, they face off against a power that only controls a segment of the galaxy, and access to FTL is inherently dangerous.

The Imperium is far more militarised, of course, being pretty much at war with everyone since always, but they're still a "regional" power (when considered on a galactic scale). If it's purely Imperium-versus-Vong, I think the Imperium is pretty screwed. Although it's going to be an enormously horrible war, and after the Vong win, they'll be so exhausted and ravaged that the other 40K powers just gradually cut them to pieces anyway.

If the Vong just invade and start waging war against everybody for religious reasons, they're completely screwed, because everybody in 40K is all about the constant war, so if you pivk a fight with all of them, you'll get slaughtered. (And then they go all back to killing each other.)

Interestingly, I think Chaos is not that big of a danger to the Vong, since I think it's a safe bet to assume that by the same rules that cut them off from the Force, they'd also be cut off from the Immaterium. The big threat to the Vong, I think, would be the Tyranids. To them, the Vong with their bio-tech would be a giant feast. They'd consume all they could, and absord any useful genetics and bio-tech while they're at it. (Which would, horrifyingly, make the Tyranids more dangerous and terrifying.)

...An exception to this would be if Onimi in particular gets corrupted by Chaos. He'd admittedly be a prime candidate for it. Chaos wouldn't be able to ensnare the Vong, but they'd be able to ensnare Onimi, and thus still exert control over the Vong...

Wrong, the only reason the Vong had success was the massively pussifed state of the New Republic, which was incompetent and had very little in the way of ships or competent command, with too much internal bickering.

Vong infiltrators also played a key role.

In this case, they would be facing the total opposite, and I doubt a system as paranoid as the Imperium will be as succeptable to infiltration as the NR was, Inquisition and such.


For starters, the Cogheads will go ballistic about the anti-tech xenos and their fanaticism and all the goodies they have stashed away alone will be more than a match for the Vong, and I am talking all cogheads, here, since I am pretty sure that minor differneces can be forgotten temporarily for the sake of exterminating the pests.Methinks every single heretec will be happy to join in on the extermination and every magos Biologis will be squirting lubricant at the chance of cutting up all that fascinating biotech to see what makes it tick.


Furthermore, the fact that the Vong were not succeptable to an energy field produced by midichloreans does not mean that they will be able to withstand the warp.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

The Vong did really well because their starships are so gigantic you need a death star to obliterate them.

One small issue, even Frigates in 40k can handle multi-stage Cyclonic torpedoes, planet killers...

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Vong did really well because their starships are so gigantic you need a death star to obliterate them.

One small issue, even Frigates in 40k can handle multi-stage Cyclonic torpedoes, planet killers...

What about the Battle Moons in 'The Beast's Saga? The 30K Imperium of Man had a fair bit of trouble dealing with those.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

What about the Battle Moons in 'The Beast's Saga? The 30K Imperium of Man had a fair bit of trouble dealing with those.

The beast's army was pretty comically strong, it would not surprise me if their battle moons defensive abilities were good enough to redirect the torpedoes or merely evade them.

 

[Agent23]

The Vong did really well because their starships are so gigantic you need a death star to obliterate them.

One small issue, even Frigates in 40k can handle multi-stage Cyclonic torpedoes, planet killers...

Not really, they had a few huge habitat ships, but most of their fleet from what I remember was made up of craft thet were rough tonnnage and firepower equivalents to what the GFFA already had.

 

[Scottty]

Doesn't the WH40K-verse already have a faction like this, in the form of the Tyranids?

A question about the Vong - are the forces they invaded the "galaxy far away" with supposed to be their whole civilization? Or just one expeditionary force?

I'm thinking of how the sequel to Independence Day retconned the aliens in that regard.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

The Vong would shit themselves at the sight of a Lunar class cruiser, let alone, Emperor help them, a battleship.

The sheer might of the Imperial Navy is why the Imperium has stood for ten thousand years. Basically none can take on its massed battle fleets, be it the Eldar, Tau, or Chaos. And the Imperium would have the Vong all to themselves in this scenario...

 

[ATP]

Doesn't the WH40K-verse already have a faction like this, in the form of the Tyranids?

A question about the Vong - are the forces they invaded the "galaxy far away" with supposed to be their whole civilization? Or just one expeditionary force?

I'm thinking of how the sequel to Independence Day retconned the aliens in that regard.

Not really.Tyranids are bioweapon eating and destroing entire life,Vong keep captured planes which still produce new stuff for them.They would be stronger with each taken world.

 

[Aldarion]

Not really.Tyranids are bioweapon eating and destroing entire life,Vong keep captured planes which still produce new stuff for them.They would be stronger with each taken world.

So are Tyranids, except Tyranids take and consume the entire biomass of the world. But "stronger with each taken world" is precisely one of the reasons why Tyranids are so difficult to handle.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

So are Tyranids, except Tyranids take and consume the entire biomass of the world. But "stronger with each taken world" is precisely one of the reasons why Tyranids are so difficult to handle.

It’s why the Imperium is a bit more happy to hit the exterminatus button with Tyranids than they are with other races. Scorched Earth is a totally necessary strategy against the Great Devourer.

 

[Aldarion]

It’s why the Imperium is a bit more happy to hit the exterminatus button with Tyranids than they are with other races. Scorched Earth is a totally necessary strategy against the Great Devourer.

Preemptive Exterminatus.


But yeah, most of the cruel stuff Imperium does is fully justified by the setting itself being crap.

 

[Agent23]

Preemptive Exterminatus.


But yeah, most of the cruel stuff Imperium does is fully justified by the setting itself being crap.

old but gold!

 

[Agent23]

SO, yeah, Vong are pretty tough and masochists, Dark Eldar are sadists due to the whole getting their souls devoured.

Lots of possibilities here.

 

[ATP]

So are Tyranids, except Tyranids take and consume the entire biomass of the world. But "stronger with each taken world" is precisely one of the reasons why Tyranids are so difficult to handle.

Sorry for being unclear.Vong keep captured worlds producing stuff for them,when Tyranids eat all and go for next.
That is why Vongs are stronger then Tyranids,becouse all captured worlds keep producing for them,when tyranids must found another victim to survive.

Vongs are like people who sell wool of their sheeps,when tyranids just eat them.Better in short term,but worst in long.