United States ICE facilities, policies and their performance

[ShadowsOfParadox]

(which are happening now with the ICE centers)

you mean the things that were around during Obama's time?

 

[Aaron Fox]

you mean the things that were around during Obama's time?

That isn't true and you know it. Under the Trump administration, they became concentration camps.

Lousana politics being utterally corrupt is a given, that's why when there is a disaster that affects the most strategically important port city in the country you send out your very best people onto the ground, and you run rough shod over the state and local government until the crisis is over. Then you let them take some of the credit for the recovery after you fixed it.

And you defiantly dont' put some one who's previous experience is with horsies in charge of Fema EVER. There are jobs for pure political postings FEMA is not one of them.

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As for trusting his friends, putting your country ahead of your friends is a central part of the job.

And then theres Iraq, which became a hidiously expensive war of choice that ended up distabalizing the region and some how making it even worse.

Here's the thing, FEMA can't really enter a state unless one of several conditions are achieved, which sadly includes having the state invite them in... and the state wouldn't let FEMA in...

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

That isn't true and you know it.

look into the images of "kids in cages", several of the most popular ones are cropped out of images taken during "Deporter in Chief" Obama's admin.

Under the Trump administration, they became concentration camps.

Did they? Or is it just that mainstream media started talking about policies that were already there in a negative light?

Did you know there's footage of Chuck Schumer talking about the need for a border wall the year before Trump started his run for President?

The "Border Debate" is the single most blatant example of TDS in politics.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Under the Trump administration, they became concentration camps.

The changes are solely how many of the people caught at the border get put in them, and consequently, due to the unchanged bureaucracy to process them, how long they're stuck there while the system gets to them. The purpose of holding immigrants as the system processes them is unchanged, which is a function not fitting the term "concentration camp." Detention facility is, in fact, the appropriate term.

A concentration camp is long term holding of persons already within an area seen as a generally-political threat, whereas the duration of holding at the border is dependent on how long it takes to get down the list of caught illegal migrants, and it's exclusively for external individuals. If the system catches up with the increased scale, partly from the quite real surge in immigration and partly from putting far more through as part of punitive measures, it'll end up a couple weeks.

Seriously. None of the shit going on is stuff that didn’t happen under Obama. The Trump Administration has only ratcheted up the numbers by being far more hardass on the same policies, to the point of fuzzy legality.

 

[The Original Sixth]

The thing is, Bush Jr., for all his faults and insecurities, tried to give the GOP a way out of its current situation by trying to get the Latinos aboard the SS GOP. Problem is, the party itself told Bush Jr. to literally fuck off. That is why Texas is going blue: the GOP has been fucking over the Latino voter block so hard that they have to go Blue in order to not get a more modern rendition of the shit the Nazis pulled (which are happening now with the ICE centers).

Ah yes, because GOP = Nazi Regime.

Fuck off with that bullshit.

Maybe Bush Jr. shouldn't have been a fucking drunk. Maybe he should have become a tenth as competent as his father. Maybe he should have not tried to nation build on our fucking dime. Maybe he should not tried to sell out his own party to illegal immigrants, who have no fucking right to be here.

That isn't true and you know it. Under the Trump administration, they became concentration camps.

That's a fucking lie.

You want to know what happens in a concentration camp? You go in, you don't come back out.

What happens at our facilities along the border? We send them home on fucking planes at our expense.

So unless you have a picture of a mass grave site where American ICE personel are executing Hispanic immigrants and forcing their children to cover those ditches with sand and dirt, you can kindly fuck off.

 

[Sol Zagato]

That's a fucking lie.

You want to know what happens in a concentration camp? You go in, you don't come back out.

What happens at our facilities along the border? We send them home on fucking planes at our expense.

So unless you have a picture of a mass grave site where American ICE personel are executing Hispanic immigrants and forcing their children to cover those ditches with sand and dirt, you can kindly fuck off.

Pic related

 

[StormEagle]

That isn't true and you know it. Under the Trump administration, they became concentration camps.

*Rolls eyes*

No, they’re not. They’re temporary detention centers in which illegals are held until such time they can be appropriately processed by the system in place, and then have asylum granted to them or be deported.

One could make the argument that perhaps the system is badly in need of more funding and closer oversight, but then one runs into the issue of why the democrats didn’t want to negotiate for such things while giving funding for the wall.

But I forgot, there is no crisis at the border.

These overwrought and hysterical comparisons to the holocaust death camps, and let’s not bullshit here, that’s exactly what Democrats mean when they say concentration camps, just make the people that make them look extremely foolish.

 

[Terthna]

That isn't true and you know it. Under the Trump administration, they became concentration camps.

I was going to comment on this, but pretty much everything that can be said has already been covered by others. Still "That isn't true and you know it"? I am impressed by the extreme degree to which you misused that phrase; I tip my hat to you sir.

 

[Realm]

God you guys get so triggered whenever someone says concentration camp.

Someone called camps intended to concentrate a population by a term initially coined to describe Spanish and American camps? Time to put on my "Oppressed by the libs" hat, bitch and or moan about how mean their rhetoric (which I have reinterpreted to be mean) is!

Get off your crosses and call down.

 

[Sol Zagato]

God you guys get so triggered whenever someone says concentration camp.

Someone called camps intended to concentrate a population by a term initially coined to describe Spanish and American camps? Time to put on my "Oppressed by the libs" hat, bitch and or moan about how mean their rhetoric (which I have reinterpreted to be mean) is!

Get off your crosses and call down.

It would technically be a concentration camp if they intended to keep them there without a definite endpoint. The minimum to satisfy this requirement, for me, would be the Japanese internment camps or the Australian detention camp on Narau. What the US has is jails, for people waiting for their day in court.

However, the perjorative image conjured by the term "concentration camp" is more than a bit excessive. Which is another reason why it's a poor choice of words.

 

[Realm]

However, the perjorative image conjured by the term "concentration camp" is more than a bit excessive. Which is another reason why it's a poor choice of words.

Gotta level with you, getting tone policed on the Sietch is not how I excepted my day to go

 

[Sol Zagato]

Gotta level with you, getting tone policed on the Sietch is not how I excepted my day to go

"It conjures up an image at odds with the reality" != tone policing

I know the urge to get in your digs where you can. But you don't always have to try.

 

[Marduk]

God you guys get so triggered whenever someone says concentration camp.

Someone called camps intended to concentrate a population by a term initially coined to describe Spanish and American camps? Time to put on my "Oppressed by the libs" hat, bitch and or moan about how mean their rhetoric (which I have reinterpreted to be mean) is!

Get off your crosses and call down.

Gotta level with you, getting tone policed on the Sietch is not how I excepted my day to go

It's a very stretched act of language manipulation for clear and obvious political purpose.
By that very same "technical" definition you are using here, every prison in the world is a concentration camp. After all, it technically does serve to concentrate a population, said population being criminals.
Obviously this is not something commonly done, because it would completely water down the meaning of the term "concentration camp", and the difference between its meaning and meaning of kind of sort of similar yet common things like prisons, making the difference between those terms pointless, why even have different terms for these if they mean exactly the same thing?

So no, it's not tone policing, it's trying to get you to use certain terms in the same way and meaning as normal people around the world of all sorts of non-fringe political orientation use them, rather than in your own little special ways that kind of sort of technically fit by your very simplistic technical definition.

 

[Realm]

"It conjures up an image at odds with the reality" != tone policing

I know the urge to get in your digs where you can. But you don't always have to try.

It's a very stretched act of language manipulation for clear and obvious political purpose.
By that very same "technical" definition you are using here, every prison in the world is a concentration camp. After all, it technically does serve to concentrate a population, said population being criminals.
Obviously this is not something commonly done, because it would completely water down the meaning of the term "concentration camp", and the difference between its meaning and meaning of kind of sort of similar yet common things like prisons, making the difference between those terms pointless, why even have different terms for these if they mean exactly the same thing?

So no, it's not tone policing, it's trying to get you to use certain terms in the same way and meaning as normal people around the world of all sorts of non-fringe political orientation use them, rather than in your own little special ways that kind of sort of technically fit by your very simplistic technical definition.

"Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons. "

This is literally what they are lol, but keep fuckin' groping for another way to martyr yourself against the libs saying mean stuff

 

[StormEagle]

God you guys get so triggered whenever someone says concentration camp.

Someone called camps intended to concentrate a population by a term initially coined to describe Spanish and American camps? Time to put on my "Oppressed by the libs" hat, bitch and or moan about how mean their rhetoric (which I have reinterpreted to be mean) is!

Get off your crosses and call down.

Don’t make me laugh.

We all know what image the left means to conjure whenever they use the term concentration camp. They can deny it all they want, but they ain’t trying to paint the right as like Roosevelt or Wilson.

In short, pull the other one. It has whistles on it.

 

[Realm]

Don’t make me laugh.

We all know what image the left means to conjure whenever they use the term concentration camp. They can deny it all they want, but they ain’t trying to paint the right as like Roosevelt or Wilson.

In short, pull the other one. It has whistles on it.

Just because you can't figure out how a term being used as it's defined isn't an attack on your person doesn't mean it isn't true.

 

[StormEagle]

Just because you can't figure out how a term being used as it's defined isn't an attack on your person doesn't mean it isn't true.

Horse. Shit.

It’s just another, poorly veiled, way for leftists to call right wingers nazis.

It’s nothing more and nothing less than a craven political phrase using the bodies left behind by the holocaust as some perverse attack puppet.

 

[Realm]

Horse. Shit.

It’s just another, poorly veiled, way for leftists to call right wingers nazis.

It’s nothing more and nothing less than a craven political phrase using the bodies left behind by the holocaust as some perverse attack puppet.

So what, are you gonna bitch and moan in history class, when the prof tells you about American Concentration Camps in the Philippines?

Grow up lol, repeat after me, "words mean things even if I'm mad"

 

[StormEagle]

So what, are you gonna bitch and moan in history class, when the prof tells you about American Concentration Camps in the Philippines?

Grow up lol, repeat after me, "words mean things even if I'm mad"

“You mad bro?”

That’s basically your post in a nutshell. Use better bait.

You can say one thing while intentionally conjuring the image of another.

I’m not giving leftists the benefit of the doubt here, as they cry nazi at the drop of the hat and have been spamming “never again” and dragging up holocaust survivors since this began.

I’m basically accusing your side of making a nazi comparison but not having the testicular fortitude to commit fully to it this time.

 

[Marduk]

"Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order.

Well, in this case, they happen to be foreign nationals who have failed to abide by proper immigration procedures, not members of minority groups who are in the country on proper legal terms.

And to preempt this, if one feels like stretching technicalities, the same could be applied to ordinary criminals - after all, imprisoning those helps state security too, and also is a punishment!

Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial.

So, not that. They are placed there on the basis of being foreign nationals without US citizeship, permanent residency status, a valid visa, or any other legal grounds for their stay in the country.

They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons. "

And here you have quoted exactly what everyone is saying they should be called. Why don't you?