Undermanned or just what they have readily available at the time.
But either way, the crew screwed up on thier landing attempt
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But either way, the crew screwed up on thier landing attempt
And at that height..the Crew Chief should have his head out the door looking at the ground to make sure it's clear of obstructions and debris.
He didn't, so probably the biggest reason kt happe d
*raises hand*
As a former EMT with crisis response and incident command training, I can definitely confirm that no, FEMA does not actually "act like they're the ones in charge". This was actually the main reason for the infamously poor response to Hurricane Katrina -- local-to-state level emergency responders were inadequately trained, inadequately staffed, and making poor leadership decisions, but the well-trained, well-equipped federal assets flatly did not have the authority to take charge and remove the incompetent locals from command.
FEMA actually *did* a great job with what they could, to the point of scraping up incident command training people and flying them in to provide expedited emergency training of the state authorities, who had been simply ignoring ICS training for years. Unfortunately, FEMA *only* has the authority to make "recommendations" and can't actually *require* state and local authorities to actually have ICS training.
FEMA's established track record is, to actually do an excellent job while being handicapped by willfully incompetent state and local officials who want to duck blame for their own failures in emergency preparation by outright sabotaging federal relief efforts so that there's visible failings to cry about at press conferences.
Consider Ray Nagin:
"Spend decades redirecting money from things like levee and pump maintenance to more popular budget items. Ignore disaster predictions and refuse to activate local emergency plans until it's too late. Demand federal aid, reject said aid when it's offered, then hold press conferences about the lack of federal aid. Declare a state of emergency so I can say I did so, officially cancel the state of emergency so that it's not legally in effect, then abandon my post and sit *several states away* continuing to whine about how the feds are letting us down."
One Tom Cotton is a lying moron. Two we are just in the beginning phases of addressing the situation with everyone affected by the Storm.
Here is my actual experience from Hurricane Hugo and FEMA assitance. My mom got the initial money about a week after the storm. It took another month for all the funds to be processed through. And it took 3 whole months before everything in my are to get back to normal. That includes power restroration, roads being fixed and all the storm debris cleared. And this happened with an Republican President and Republican Govenor. Dealing with a large disaster and assisting people is not quick and has never been quick. Conservatives need to stop having one standard for one party and another for their own party. As to money going out to other groups. You do realize the US Government gives out way more money to countries all around the world than was given to Storm Victims and migrants. And I am not talking military aid. I am talking about Humanitarian aid. And it has been like this since the 1940s.
Um a lot of Brass that pitch a bitch about things are the same people who don't go on a operation for 48 to 72 hours with only 2 hours of sleep. I have been 48 hour operations back in the day. You are literally a walking zombie. The Commander back at headquarters. That bastard is well rested.
willdelve4beer
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That bastard is the one who should be managing his men's time better and not leaving them to be walking zombies. Combat or Disaster recovery - letting your people get that tired while on duty is a recipe for the kind of mistakes that lead to death and/or dismemberment.
Oh I agree. Brass need to bo better with getting their people rest. But some commaders are well not all that great with such things.
Happy Story.
Dr. Phil is apparently running a charity drive in coordination with Samaritans Purse.
www.samaritanspurse.org
Dr. Phil is apparently running a charity drive in coordination with Samaritans Purse.
Samaritan’s Purse
After sharing the story of the Good Samaritan, Jesus said “Go and do likewise.” That is the mission of Samaritan's Purse—to follow the example of Christ by helping those in need and proclaiming the hope of the Gospel.
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Well at least that's something. Of course it still doesn't explain where exactly he thought he was going to land, or why this is the first mention of generators which apparently never got delivered.
PeaceMaker 03
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The new budget year started October 1st, on October 2nd FEMA is out of money?
Yeah, what he ment to say but would not say is : “No money will be availabale until after the election and we will stop any polling places to be established in all those red counties”!
Nope not election interference at all.
They were getting low to land and find a place but got too low.
And none if the people recording are the ones leading the donations relief area...
Congress didn't actually allocate additional funding for FEMA, what they did was 'unlock' the 2025 budget allocation early. The 2024 hurricane season has been an especially bad one, with five out of nine hurricanes making landfall so far and two major hurricanes back-to-back. For comparison, in 2023 there were only three major hurricanes (two C4 and one C5), of which only one made landfall in the United States. Likewise in 2022 only one major hurricane made landfall in the United States.
So basically, the FEMA budget allocation is based on the assumption of an average hurricane season cost, which is generally going to be spent with ONE major and a couple of regular hurricanes. The 2024 budget got spent on. . . one exceptionally bad major and two regular hurricanes, so Congress unlocked the 2025 budget early to hopefully cover the rest of the year, only now we've gotten *two major hurricanes* which are projected to use up pretty much all of that.
It's not anything sinister, just *three major hurricanes* is a hella bad year.
Politically speaking that does not matter in a election year a month before the election.
Vyor
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Milton landed as a C3 and quickly regressed into a C2, doesn't count as a major hurricane.
Any hurricane that reaches C3 or above during its lifecycle is classified by meteorologists as a major hurricane. Your "doesn't count" definition of a major hurricane is ridiculously narrow, since by that definition the vast majority of Cat 5 hurricanes are still "minor".
To clarify the context: the *near totality* of Cat 5 and Cat 4 hurricanes weaken to Cat 3 or below by the time they made landfall. There have been only *two* cases of a Category 5 hurricane making landfall in the United States at that intensity since the Saffir-Simpson scale was introduced in 1971, these being Hurricane Andrew in 1992 and Hurricane Michael in 2018; a further two hurricanes (Hurricane Camille 1969 and the Labor Day hurricane of 1935) are retroactively estimated to have been Cat 5 at landfall. No hurricane has made landfall as a Cat 4 since the scale was invented, although five or six prior storms are estimated to have been such.
For concrete examples: Katrina peaked at C5 but came ashore at C3, Harvey peaked at C4 but came ashore as C3, and Sandy peaked at C3 but came ashore in the United States as a C1. And Sandy caused *absolutely massive* amounts of damage despite being a "mere" C1, the seventh-costliest in U.S. history.
I'm still waiting for you to explain how a space big enough to land a Blackhawk in safely wouldn't be visible from significantly higher up in the air.
Dude will defend literally any government agency.
To this day, Zach is the only person I have ever called a bootlicker, because I hate that phrase. It was coined for people like him, though, and he's one of the worst I have ever seen.
Because the higher you are the harder to tell how far apart things are. Do...do you not know how this works?
They get low to see if they can find a spot. And then descend downwards.
Especially in situations like this. Perhaps there was a clearing nearby they were going too only to cause the rotor wash incident and then took back off.
We don't have enough footage or imagery if the area to be sure.
Or if we do please show us if you have it
Because unlike the vast majority of you here, I actively pay attention to how things are, read the SOPs for military and defense related things and actively invovled in it.
Fixed that for you